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MichiganSpinDoctor

MichiganSpinDoctor

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Fogdog said:
Do you remember when after you agreed with all the reasons given by experts that global warming is caused by burning fossil fuel you just said you didn't believe it but couldn't give a reason for rejecting it or a better explanation?
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I remember that is how you summarized our conversation.
 
Fogdog

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
I remember that is how you summarized our conversation.
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Saying you believe without any better explanation doesn't fit the meaning behind the word discourse.

dis·course
verb
disˈkôrs/
  1. speak or write authoritatively about a topic

This thread is for civil discourse. What you do is appropriate for a thread called "repeating right wing propaganda and lies".

Why should anybody engage in civil discourse with an ignoramus who simply repeats right wing propaganda?
 
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travisw

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
Trump campaign promises kept:

Economic growth
Enforced immigration laws
Got out of TPP and currently renegotiating NAFTA
Built up military
Crushed ISIS
Slashed regulations
Increased energy production
Repealed the individual mandate
Reformed the VA, including firing the 500 worst managers.
Appointed a constitutionalist originalist justice

I think Trump is doing a fantastic job.
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I hate to quibble with your list but is it accurate? Do you have a source for the part about 500 managers. Because if you're talking about these people:

VA has fired 500 employees since Trump took office, report shows
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/20/va-has-fired-500-employees-since-trump-took-office-report-shows.html

they weren't managers, and many were fired by the previous administration.

As to your immigration law point, the promise was to deport everyone. "We have at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally," he continued. "They will go out." It doesn't really seem fair to call this mission accomplished yet, does it?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/28/karen-bass/mass-deportation-latino-families/

As to NAFTA, is kicking out Canada, and terminating the entire agreement, really a negotiation? Seems disingenuous to include it as an accomplishment but to each their own I guess.

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Fogdog

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travisw said:
I hate to quibble with your list but is it accurate? Do you have a source for the part about 500 managers. Because if you're talking about these people:

VA has fired 500 employees since Trump took office, report shows
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/20/va-has-fired-500-employees-since-trump-took-office-report-shows.html

they weren't managers, and many were fired by the previous administration.

As to your immigration law point, the promise was to deport everyone. "We have at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally," he continued. "They will go out." It doesn't really seem fair to call this mission accomplished yet, does it?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/28/karen-bass/mass-deportation-latino-families/

As to NAFTA, is kicking out Canada, and terminating the entire agreement, really a negotiation? Seems disingenuous to include it as an accomplishment but to each their own I guess.

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It doesn't have to be true for him to believe it. Spinney says so himself.
 
MichiganSpinDoctor

MichiganSpinDoctor

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travisw said:
I hate to quibble with your list but is it accurate? Do you have a source for the part about 500 managers. Because if you're talking about these people:

VA has fired 500 employees since Trump took office, report shows
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/20/va-has-fired-500-employees-since-trump-took-office-report-shows.html

they weren't managers, and many were fired by the previous administration.

As to your immigration law point, the promise was to deport everyone. "We have at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally," he continued. "They will go out." It doesn't really seem fair to call this mission accomplished yet, does it?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/28/karen-bass/mass-deportation-latino-families/

As to NAFTA, is kicking out Canada, and terminating the entire agreement, really a negotiation? Seems disingenuous to include it as an accomplishment but to each their own I guess.

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The 500 fired managers stat, I just got from a campaign website and I admit, I did not fact check it. Thank you for the correction.

On the immigration question, this is an example of trumps supporters taking him seriously, but not literally. His detractors take him literally, but not seriously.

The deal with Mexico is supposed to include Canada soon, I heard yesterday. Definitely negotiating. Yeah, more of a potential accomplishment I suppose.
 
UncleBuck

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
The 500 fired managers stat, I just got from a campaign website and I admit, I did not fact check it. Thank you for the correction.

On the immigration question, this is an example of trumps supporters taking him seriously, but not literally. His detractors take him literally, but not seriously.

The deal with Mexico is supposed to include Canada soon, I heard yesterday. Definitely negotiating. Yeah, more of a potential accomplishment I suppose.
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You enjoy being humiliated don’t you?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
The 500 fired managers stat, I just got from a campaign website and I admit, I did not fact check it. Thank you for the correction.

On the immigration question, this is an example of trumps supporters taking him seriously, but not literally. His detractors take him literally, but not seriously.

The deal with Mexico is supposed to include Canada soon, I heard yesterday. Definitely negotiating. Yeah, more of a potential accomplishment I suppose.
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translation: I just believe what right wingers say, I don't fact check or care what the facts are.
 
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