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gogrow

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i've been looking into the synthesis of various drugs and have reached the conclusion that with a little research, and the purchase of some lab equipment, that i could pull off a synthesis for something like lsd or mdma.... anyone ever try to do something of this caliber??? how did it turn out??
 
slurms mckenzie

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maybe mdma, but even that would be no easy task from what i understand, but lsd requires some very expensive equipment I believe, and i think you would need some schooling or be taught from a chemist that knows what he is doing. I think both those chemicals take a great deal of knowledge and resources to make, especially lsd.
 
gogrow

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slurms mckenzie said:
maybe mdma, but even that would be no easy task from what i understand, but lsd requires some very expensive equipment I believe, and i think you would need some schooling or be taught from a chemist that knows what he is doing. I think both those chemicals take a great deal of knowledge and resources to make, especially lsd.
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you give me good instructions and i can do anything.... i think that it would take ALOT of research and preparation for someone with no chemistry background, but careful research of the process and each step of the process should result in a favorable outcome.... might not know exactly what you are doing, as long as you know how to do it, it should work fine.... from what i see, obtaining the chemical precursors and the lab equipment would be the hardest part... after that its just reactions, solvents, separations, etc...
 
MrBaker

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gogrow said:
you give me good instructions and i can do anything.... i think that it would take ALOT of research and preparation for someone with no chemistry background, but careful research of the process and each step of the process should result in a favorable outcome.... might not know exactly what you are doing, as long as you know how to do it, it should work fine.... from what i see, obtaining the chemical precursors and the lab equipment would be the hardest part... after that its just reactions, solvents, separations, etc...
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You're right and you're wrong. If you can get a good procedure, then yeah it should be more simple. What is results are not as expected? You may have to improvise.What if you need to substitute an ingredient? Improvise. Chem/Bio background helps...but you can catch up with reading and "wanting to understand".

A lot of the chemicals used for synth. of drugs are watched very closely the govt. Chemicals that have normal uses for industry, or in the lab are on certain lists that stop "Joe Sixpack" from being able to buy them.

One last note, a lot of the base materials like pills for meth (or related drugs) have been tampered with so they cannot be turned into an illegal substance easily....oh, and some/most of these reactions create harmful products as well as good ones (background helps). Electro-chemistry for meth and what not needs expensive ingots, and not-easy-to-get materials, but it doesn't stink or make as much poison.
 
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dont quote me on this but i heard its like $8000 CDN for 1 million LSD hits and that includes the flight tickets to the UK to buy the chemicals.

now i dont know how much the equipment is.
 
hom36rown

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Youd need a lot of equipment, college level chemistry experience, and precursors that are watched by the DEA...you could do meth, but not MDMA or LSD
 
Khemi

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With enough money, patience, and studying, you can accomplish any of those things. Learn the basics of vacuum distillation, fractional distillations, acid base extractions and titrations and the reactions will work themselves out. Most are easy, some very exciting.

In the small scale reductive amination of MDP2P -> MDMA Nitromethane is allowed to react with elemental aluminum. It is very exciting once the reaction takes off as it can get quiet violent depending on the drip rate. For most first timers you can easily shit your pants once the reaction starts rolling along.

2CB is also something of interest and enjoyment to some people. The common first timer route to 2CB will require LAH which is not easy to find, but if you get some, and ever get to check this reaction out.. it's scary. Even on a very small scale. LAH gives out a lot of hydrogen when exposed to water so it's important to dry all your reagents to anhydrous condition.

Also consider hanging out in the federal pen for 10-25yrs. Manufacturing listed compounds when you know little about the reagents needed will prove to be fatal. Acquisition of precursors is not easy these days. I would stick to dro imo. Or so I've heard..
 
gogrow

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Khemi said:
With enough money, patience, and studying, you can accomplish any of those things. Learn the basics of vacuum distillation, fractional distillations, acid base extractions and titrations and the reactions will work themselves out. Most are easy, some very exciting.

In the small scale reductive amination of MDP2P -> MDMA Nitromethane is allowed to react with elemental aluminum. It is very exciting once the reaction takes off as it can get quiet violent depending on the drip rate. For most first timers you can easily shit your pants once the reaction starts rolling along.

2CB is also something of interest and enjoyment to some people. The common first timer route to 2CB will require LAH which is not easy to find, but if you get some, and ever get to check this reaction out.. it's scary. Even on a very small scale. LAH gives out a lot of hydrogen when exposed to water so it's important to dry all your reagents to anhydrous condition.

Also consider hanging out in the federal pen for 10-25yrs. Manufacturing listed compounds when you know little about the reagents needed will prove to be fatal. Acquisition of precursors is not easy these days. I would stick to dro imo. Or so I've heard..
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so you agree that i could possible pull it off?:mrgreen:
 
shepj

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gogrow said:
i've been looking into the synthesis of various drugs and have reached the conclusion that with a little research, and the purchase of some lab equipment, that i could pull off a synthesis for something like lsd or mdma.... anyone ever try to do something of this caliber??? how did it turn out??
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So you've been through atleast Organic Chem II or III? And also, you've had tryptamine/phenethylamine/indole chemistry? Or is this just a crazy idea?

I think if you have a good chem background and all the supplies, MDMA can be made fairly easily, assuming you have a decent synthesis... which are plenty available! There one very very very easy synthesis for MDMA that comes to mind... look around.

LSD, takes more than one person to make, a lot of skill, and decent lab chems and a decent lab setup. It is possible, but it's hard.
 
hom36rown

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Even if you had all the equipment and experience neccesary, you still have to get a hold of the precursors...and where exactly do you plan on getting some safrole? WHere do you plan ony buyin all the expensive lab equipment and chemicals needed as well?
 
gogrow

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hom36rown said:
Even if you had all the equipment and experience neccesary, you still have to get a hold of the precursors...and where exactly do you plan on getting some safrole? WHere do you plan ony buyin all the expensive lab equipment and chemicals needed as well?
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safrole can be synthesized, or it can be fairly easily extracted from plants.... but you guys are stuck on mdma and lsd... there are hundreds more

as far as the equipment and chemicals; im sure the equipment is easy to obtain, the chemicals on the other hand can be complicated depending on what chem we are speaking of, but yet again, there are ways around everything:blsmoke:... prob just a pipe dream, but i still think it would be possible. look around here for awhile

http://www.drugs-forum.com/chemistry/chemistry/index.html
 
bigtittymilf

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im sure if your looking into this you have pihkal if not go get it it tells how to makje mdma but i dont know how you would get the chems tht shulgin has access to
 
bigtittymilf

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deamsters are super easy dont even need lab equipment just a couple masno jars and somne lye/amonia

and deamsters are now my new favorite psychadelic i think i love it
 
shepj

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hom36rown said:
thats what I thought, but how do you make dmt with only mason jars lye and ammonia?
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You don't... it would be slightly shorthanded on the extraction, as you'd need a non-polar solvent like naptha and you didn't mention hexane for a substitute. Although, if you take a look at the synthesis, it takes roughly the same amount of skill to synthesize DMT that it does to extract it. Food for thought.
 
shepj

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hom36rown said:
Even if you had all the equipment and experience neccesary, you still have to get a hold of the precursors...and where exactly do you plan on getting some safrole? WHere do you plan ony buyin all the expensive lab equipment and chemicals needed as well?
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The reason safrole is used is because it contains 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine.. it can be distilled from many plants, sassafras, nutmeg, etc. The precursors are the easiest part of the synthesis.
 
2cimdma

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Distillation of safrole from sassafras is neither that easy or productive. Safole does not contain 3,4-metheylenedioxyamphetamine either. The actually is no amine(NH) in it at all. It isC3H11(CH02)C3H7. It would fall under a benzene. Safrole is cheap but hard to get...in the US. Can be bought for 10usd for kg. in certain countries in asia. Most will sell you any amount you want but will send it to Canada and not the US. Uh...so I hear anyways
 
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