CHEAP SEEDS

i've already started this topic in different forums, but I'd also like to know the opinion of people in this community.

In the last months I've been growing some female seeds that were sold (and given as freebies) by a Spanish company called Eurogrow. They sell through their web anything related with cannabis cultivation.

At the beginning I was a little suspicious, but after some months I have to say that their seeds, ranging from 1 euro and 1.8 euro each, seem to be as good as the seeds sold by the classical commercial seedbanks like Dinafem, since they probably use the same "breeding" method: STS over well known cuts.

I've heard that there are more companies that sell these cheap seeds, but I only have experience with this one. This has been an opportunity to test some American strains in a easy and cheap way. All of the seeds I've grown are good, I haven't found any hermie and the weed is very good, stinky and resinous.

Will this be the end of the STS rippers? I grew some DINAFEM's at the same time, about 10 euro each seed, and I found mutants and hermies.

Now, I would pay that much money only and just for something really special that standard ripper banks don't provide. I would pay for a real breeding work.

But I have much more fun with these cheap seeds.

Have you got some experience with something similar?

These are a couple of Bruce Banners some days before 6th week of flowering time.




I'll keep posting pictures of the different strains I'm growing from that bulk seedbank.

Sweet smokes

Never heard of em they look good at a glance tho i been using seedstockers from spain lately its a offshoot from Dutch passion there gears decent and cheap too especially if u want bulk seeds but good quality too its good to remember with weed seeds price dont mean shit theres complete crap for 200 pounds a pack or 2 pounds a pack theres also great seeds priced the same it really just depends on the breeders passion and dedication to the plant in the end and these days theres fewer and fewer doing real breeding minus some exceptions of course

Last two orders have been from Linda seeds. Very fast shipping! Got seedstockers sweet auto mix, 12 seeds for $59 US shipped and to my house. Ordered on Monday, will be here today from Spain to north east coast

Some pictures at 6 weeks. I believe I will harvest all of them between 7 and 8 weeks. These are a Tropicana Cookies (supposed to be a cross between Girl Scout Cookies Forum and a Tangie) and some Bubblegums.

This is the Tropicana Cookies




And these plants are Bubblegum.



Next time I'll upload some from the AK-47

Sweet smokes

I've just harvested some more plants from cheap seeds, a bunch of AK-47s and some Bruce Banner. I really hope that both Bubblegum and AK-47 are the real thing, but I'll need a month to start testing. AKs look great, with hard buds and nice smells, and they look quite homogeneous. They also seem to produce a lot.


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I've been testing some of the 7 Gorilla Glue #4 plants I bought for 1 euro per seed, although they are still curing. At the moment I can say that they are very homogeneous, tasty and easy to smoke. I wouldn't expect such homogeneity in a S1, so maybe this seed doesn't come from a S1. Who knows.

They smell dark, earthy, fungal, with clear bright notes like eucalyptus and lemon that together create a very complex and colorful aroma.

I can really feel chem influence, but while I don't usually really like chem this one is watered down to the point that it serves to enrich and to background the rest of the complex aromas. Very nice.

I am selecting a specimen, I'll probably go for the most aromatic one if I don't find strong differences in strength of effect.

Sweet smokes

glue s1s are all over the place, yours weren't legit

quiescent said:

glue s1s are all over the place, yours weren't legit

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thanks for your brainy analysis

Ailalelo said:

thanks for your brainy analysis

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NP dude. You knew they weren't real, dunno why you're pissed I'm confirming it.

quiescent said:

NP dude. You knew they weren't real, dunno why you're pissed I'm confirming it.

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As far as I know, they can just cross the same parent specimens as in the original cross, what would make a homogeneous and strong F1. The smell and effect match what is expected, and it is very pleasing. Not GG#4? Still GG for sure.

I'm not pissed at all, I'm happy with these plants, so I'm selecting a keeper, and I also plan to cross it. I felt I could share my happiness with people here. Happy ones, not you.

These seeds are for sure much more real than you are, I'm recommending them

Ailalelo said:

i've already started this topic in different forums, but I'd also like to know the opinion of people in this community.

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Ailalelo said:

As far as I know, they can just cross the same parent specimens as in the original cross, what would make a homogeneous and strong F1. The smell and effect match what is expected, and it is very pleasing. Not GG#4? Still GG for sure.

I'm not pissed at all, I'm happy with these plants, so I'm selecting a keeper, and I also plan to cross it. I felt I could share my happiness with people here. Happy ones, not you.

These seeds are for sure much more real than you are, I'm recommending them

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I gave you my opinion as you requested.

Self confirmation bias is real strong here.

I'm glad you're happy with them but I get a feeling they wouldn't make a majority of people feel the same way.

quiescent said:

I gave you my opinion as you requested.

Self confirmation bias is real strong here.

I'm glad you're happy with them but I get a feeling they wouldn't make a majority of people feel the same way.

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I've grown several F1s whose S1 haven't got as much diversity as expected, and the opposite. So that doesn't mean much by itself. Have you ever made STS over any F1 or S1 to compare? I guess you don't.

You still could do something useful and share your experience with these GG #4 S1's you claim that are all around, just to compare. Other than that, you just make a statement about authenticity based on prejudices. These statements are not very convincing, are them? Well, I base my knowledge in what I grow and smoke, and I can say these seeds are characterized by a very distinctive aroma and flavor.

I would find curious that instead making a S1 the breeders took the time to stabilize the strain. But you never know. Years ago many seedbanks made their strains mixing any cut with Northern Lights or Skunk. Now they just cross two strains whatever they are, so it is difficult to find any kind of homogeneity. Usually S1 coming from a F1 are way way worse than the original, that's why I find homogeneity a good sign.

Well, I've grown 20 gorilla glue #4 s1s. I grew them years ago when they were readily available. I still have some, too.

The plant's expressions were all over the place. None of them were alike enough to say this plant is that plant's twin. There were some common smells between a few groups but none of them individually could be interchangeable. The growth was all over the place too, had maybe one plant look similar to glue in most ways.

This is a pretty common experience with glue in all forms of breeding.

What you're looking at as a positive tells me it's not a true s1. Maybe its an s2 or s3 of something that was called gorilla glue at one time, whether it even came from glue is debatable since there's no provenance to these bulk seeds.

Lots of fake glue seeds out there, sorry but those aren't s1s of gorilla glue #4.


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This was all conveyed to you in a single sentence. I don't think you're gonna be any happier with the truth in a longer format but I gave it to ya.

I've also grown s2s and s3s of things and s1s in regular crosses, they lock in traits pretty well.

quiescent said:

Well, I've grown 20 gorilla glue #4 s1s. I grew them years ago when they were readily available. I still have some, too.

The plant's expressions were all over the place. None of them were alike enough to say this plant is that plant's twin. There were some common smells between a few groups but none of them individually could be interchangeable. The growth was all over the place too, had maybe one plant look similar to glue in most ways.

This is a pretty common experience with glue in all forms of breeding.

What you're looking at as a positive tells me it's not a true s1. Maybe its an s2 or s3 of something that was called gorilla glue at one time, whether it even came from glue is debatable since there's no provenance to these bulk seeds.

Lots of fake glue seeds out there, sorry but those aren't s1s of gorilla glue #4.


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This was all conveyed to you in a single sentence. I don't think you're gonna be any happier with the truth in a longer format but I gave it to ya.

I've also grown s2s and s3s of things and s1s in regular crosses, they lock in traits pretty well.

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That's much better, thanks. What about the flavor and taste of these? Anything remarkable?

In my experience, if there is a keeper cut and you make S1, all of them are going to be worse than the original cut. If you know the original, you won't keep any of the S1s. So I was already expecting a worse result than the one I got. If these plants are a S2, S3, whatever, they'll lack genetic strength but depending on the selection they can be crap or quite OK. At the moment, what I got matches quite well the description of the strain (I guess it is supposed to be a clone-only strain) both in its structure as in its flavor and effect, and that is, in fact, more than I expected. I expected a irregular and inconsistent S1, so I can't say thay I'm unhappy.

I don't know if I will keep this cut for much time, it is to soon and it is still curing, but it is promising.

By the way, when you say "whether it even came from glue is debatable since there's no provenance to these bulk seeds"... well, most of seedbanks in Europe buy their seeds in bulk and repack them, so any of the GG #4 S1 are under the same doubt unless a genetic analysis can be performed.

I've been smelling the recently dried Bubblegums and I can say that I'm excited. These are the first Bubblegums that really resemble the smell I remember from the 90's, that magical smell I've unsuccessfully trying to get along the years. I've planted several seeds offered by different seedbanks based on Bubblegum or related with it, but none of them was worth a shit.

It looks like this is the real thing, I don't mind if it is a S1 or a F2, I just mind the memories of the best flavor and smell I've ever experienced in weed, and it was the one of a Bubblegum. I'll have to wait some weeks for the smoke test, but I'm positive about making a selection and getting a keeper.

Sweet smokes