Changes the Way you Think about Drainage

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
I don't know if this ok or not, but after I read this I had to share it with my fellow THC farmers. I like many of us growing in soil, add a drainage layer in the bottom of my pots to create "better drainage." Lava rocks in my case. Turns out that drainage layers may actually be detrimental to drainage. Very interesting read posted by someone on another forum who was thanking someone else for posting it. I know ADD is rampant around here, but anyone who grows in soil and considers themselves some kind of professional should read this.

this is from a discussion on daves garden. i can't find the authors name, but thank you, whoever you are.

Container Soils - Water Movement and Retention

A Discussion About Soils

As container gardeners, our first priority should be to insure the soils we use are adequately aerated for the life of the planting, or in the case of perennial material (trees, shrubs, garden perennials), from repot to repot. Soil aeration/drainage is the most important consideration in any container planting. Soil is the foundation that all container plantings are built on, and aeration is the cornerstone of that foundation. Since aeration and drainage are inversely linked to soil particle size, it makes good sense to try to find and use soils or primary components with particles larger than peat. That components retain their structure for extended periods is also extremely important. Pine and some other types of conifer bark fit the bill nicely and I’ll talk more about them later.

The following also hits pretty hard against the futility of using a drainage layer in an attempt to improve drainage. It just doesn't work. All it does is reduce the amount soil available for root colonization. A wick will remove water from the saturated layer of soil at the container bottom. It works in reverse of the self-watering pots widely being discussed on this forum now.

Since there are many questions about soils appropriate for use in containers, I'll post basic mix recipes later, in case any would like to try the soil. It will follow the Water Movement info.

Consider this if you will:

Soil need fill only a few needs in plant culture. Anchorage - A place for roots to extend, securing the plant and preventing it from toppling. Nutrient Sink - It must retain sufficient nutrients in available form to sustain plant systems. Gas Exchange - It must be sufficiently porous to allow air to the root system and by-product gasses to escape. And finally, Water - It must retain water enough in liquid and/or vapor form to sustain plants between waterings. Most plants could be grown without soil as long as we can provide air, nutrients, and water, (witness hydroponics). Here, I will concentrate primarily on the movement of water in soil(s).

There are two forces that cause water to move through soil - one is gravity, the other capillary action. Gravity needs little explanation, but for this writing I would like to note: Gravitational flow potential (GFP) is greater for water at the top of the container than it is for water at the bottom. I'll return to that later. Capillarity is a function of the natural forces of adhesion and cohesion. Adhesion is water's tendency to stick to solid objects like soil particles and the sides of the pot. Cohesion is the tendency for water to stick to itself. Cohesion is why we often find water in droplet form - because cohesion is at times stronger than adhesion, water’s bond to itself can be stronger than the bond to the object it might be in contact with; in this condition it forms a drop. Capillary action is in evidence when we dip a paper towel in water. The water will soak into the towel and rise several inches above the surface of the water. It will not drain back into the source. It will stop rising when the GFP equals the capillary attraction of the fibers in the paper.

There will be a naturally occurring "perched water table" (PWT) in containers when soil particulate size is under about .125 (1/8) inch.. This is water that occupies a layer of soil that is always saturated & will not drain from the portion of the pot it occupies. It can evaporate or be used by the plant, but physical forces will not allow it to drain. It is there because the capillary pull of the soil at some point will surpass the GFP; therefore, the water does not drain, it is "perched". The smaller the size of the particles in a soil, the greater the height of the PWT.

If we fill five cylinders of varying heights and diameters with the same soil mix and provide each cylinder with a drainage hole, the PWT will be exactly the same height in each container. This saturated area of the pot is where roots seldom penetrate & where root problems frequently begin due to a lack of aeration. Water and nutrient uptake are also compromised by lack of air in the root zone. Keeping in mind the fact that the PWT height is soil dependent and has nothing to do with height or shape of the container, we can draw the conclusion that: Tall growing containers will always have a higher percentage of unsaturated soil than squat containers when using the same soil mix. The reason: The level of the PWT will be the same in each container, with the taller container providing more usable, air holding soil above the PWT. Physiology dictates that plants must have oxygen at the root zone in order to maintain normal root function.

A given volume of large soil particles has less overall surface area when compared to the same volume of small particles and therefore less overall adhesive attraction to water. So, in soils with large particles, GFP more readily overcomes capillary attraction. They drain better. We all know this, but the reason, often unclear, is that the height of the PWT is lower in coarse soils than in fine soils. The key to good drainage is size and uniformity of soil particles. Mixing large particles with small is often very ineffective because the smaller particles fit between the large, increasing surface area which increases the capillary attraction and thus the water holding potential.

When we add a coarse drainage layer under our soil, it does not improve drainage. It does though, conserve on the volume of soil required to fill a pot and it makes the pot lighter. When we employ this exercise in an attempt to improve drainage, what we are actually doing is moving the level of the PWT higher in the pot. This simply reduces the volume of soil available for roots to colonize. Containers with uniform soil particle size from top of container to bottom will yield better and more uniform drainage and have a lower PWT than containers with drainage layers. The coarser the drainage layer, the more detrimental to drainage it is because water is more (for lack of a better scientific word) reluctant to make the downward transition because the capillary pull of the soil above the drainage layer is stronger than the GFP. The reason for this is there is far more surface area for water to be attracted to in the soil above the drainage layer than there is in the drainage layer, so the water "perches".

I know this goes against what most have thought to be true, but the principle is scientifically sound, and experiments have shown it as so. Many nurserymen are now employing the pot-in-pot or the pot-in-trench method of growing to capitalize on the science.

If you discover you need to increase drainage, you can simply insert an absorbent wick into a drainage hole & allow it to extend from the saturated soil to a few inches below the bottom of the pot, or allow it to contact soil below the container where it can be absorbed. This will successfully eliminate the PWT & give your plants much more soil to grow in as well as allow more, much needed air to the roots.

In simple terms: Plants that expire because of drainage problems either die of thirst because the roots have rotted and can no longer take up water, or they starve/"suffocate" because there is insufficient air at the root zone to insure normal water/nutrient uptake and root function.

To confirm the existence of the PWT and the effectiveness of using a wick to remove it, try this experiment: Fill a soft drink cup nearly full of garden soil. Add enough water to fill to the top, being sure all soil is saturated. Punch a drain hole in the bottom of the cup & allow to drain. When the drainage stops, insert a wick into the drain hole . Take note of how much additional water drains. Even touching the soil with a toothpick through the drain hole will cause substantial additional water to drain. This is water that occupied the PWT before being drained by the wick. A greatly simplified explanation of what occurs is: The wick "fools" the water into thinking the pot is deeper, so water begins to move downward seeking the "new" bottom of the pot, pulling the rest of the water in the PWT along with it.
Posted by delta9nxs on icmag forums post #49
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=138004&page=4

I am going to be trying the cup and wick experiment as soon as I can. I think this is great information, and good incentive to widen your perspective and join other forums too.

Beanz:leaf:

BTW that whole thread is amazingly informative
 

Wolverine97

Well-Known Member
The experiment will work, it's pretty basic science. The thing that is seriously overlooked in that write up is the fact that if your drainage layer is made up of a highly absorbent material like course diatomaceous earth, it will provide the desired drainage layer and overcome the capillary pull of the soil above it. I will also act as a water reserve because of its capacity to hold water in its pores. It's also a great source of silica for your plants. The basic premise is correct, in general a drainage layer is counter productive, but with a little knowledge it can be overcome and even turned into a great positive.
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
The experiment will work, it's pretty basic science. The thing that is seriously overlooked in that write up is the fact that if your drainage layer is made up of a highly absorbent material like course diatomaceous earth, it will provide the desired drainage layer and overcome the capillary pull of the soil above it. I will also act as a water reserve because of its capacity to hold water in its pores. It's also a great source of silica for your plants. The basic premise is correct, in general a drainage layer is counter productive, but with a little knowledge it can be overcome and even turned into a great positive.
I think what I took the most from it was about the perched water table or "PWT" inherent in any soil. I really thought I was doing a good job with drainage, but from now on all my pots and containers are gonna have wicks coming from them and I'm really gonna reevaluate my soil consistencies and mix/building practice.

I found the thread through looking up passive wick/hempy bucket hybrid hydroponic growing setup and it was just talking about how different mediums drain differently. I know it doesn't have much to do with what you just said but it's on topic. Heres the link;
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/cacti/msg1219545027416.html
Check out the drainage rates for the different mediums (for some reason he didn't include coco unfortunately). Specifically informative for hempy bucket and wick system growers. I really thought that there was no way that wicks could possibly feed a plant enough to survive but now I'm actually looking into it.
 

Detroit J420

Well-Known Member
I put fish rocks i buy at the dollar store at the bottom of my pots. After a few weeks into flower they slurp up all whats left on the bottom within hrs i got em in 3 gallon pots, they dont even droop after soaking them down once there a few weeks into bloom. I would really like to try and fill my water with air bubbles with a little pump i got anyone know if its worth the trouble?
 

Wolverine97

Well-Known Member
I put fish rocks i buy at the dollar store at the bottom of my pots. After a few weeks into flower they slurp up all whats left on the bottom within hrs i got em in 3 gallon pots, they dont even droop after soaking them down once there a few weeks into bloom. I would really like to try and fill my water with air bubbles with a little pump i got anyone know if its worth the trouble?
That's probably the single worst thing you could use.
 

Detroit J420

Well-Known Member
Yah man but my fish rocks are big, and there all uneven not the little small pebbles, like regular stones only glass like
 

Wolverine97

Well-Known Member
Yah man but my fish rocks are big, and there all uneven not the little small pebbles, like regular stones only glass like
That's not the issue. The issue is how much "pull" they have to draw water out of the medium above, and how much water they can retain after draining. You're actually reducing the amount of usable soil in your containers by using that drainage layer. The only time I use one is when I'm using rigid containers, and then I use coarse diatomaceous earth. There are very few materials that can be used effectively as a "drainage layer", contrary to popular belief.
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
Just use big chucks of perlite. They are awesome!!
Yah man but my fish rocks are big, and there all uneven not the little small pebbles, like regular stones only glass like
I know stoners have a short attention span, but read the fucking first post in the thread. The bigger and chunkier the substrate used for a "drainage layer" (i.e. Big chunky perlite or lava rocks) the less effect on actual drainage. Wolverine had it right when he said that drainage layers just take away from th available soil for roots. So no more wasting space with drainage layers. Give your plants soil.
 

growinhound

Member
how about just to plug the hole alittle. big pots have big holes a rock or two in the hole shouldnt hinder. Most of the time i just use white or black landscape fabric. cut asquare big enough to cover bottom and line corners up with holes , press against pot and fill with soil til nothing gets out soil-wise,roots even poke thru a little. water flow is not hindered too much. oh ya hello everyone....no sun to day bummer
 

Luger187

Well-Known Member
how about just to plug the hole alittle. big pots have big holes a rock or two in the hole shouldnt hinder. Most of the time i just use white or black landscape fabric. cut asquare big enough to cover bottom and line corners up with holes , press against pot and fill with soil til nothing gets out soil-wise,roots even poke thru a little. water flow is not hindered too much. oh ya hello everyone....no sun to day bummer
what about a small piece of window screening?
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
For covering the drainage hole in the bottom center, I've used window screen, piece of shade cloth, rock or a shard from a broken clay pot to retain fine soil. No big deal. I use chunks of foam in the bottom side holes - black commercial pots.

Not buying it (the ICMag drill). Best preventative for a saturated soil/rotting root system is a healthy plant with a lot of foliage. THAT'S your wick - foliage. If you have to use a cloth wick or some other gimmick then you need to relearn the basics of soil culture and what makes a plant tick. A plant wicks off moisture at the root zone via physical properties such as transpiration, turgor pressure, capillary action and such.

I make it a habit to add silt to my pots to tighten up the soil after a plant is established from an upcan session. A saturated root zone and root rot is the least of my worries, but that's just me.

Adding a shallow layer of coarse perlite or small gravel to the bottom of the pot first will increase an air exchange at the lower root zone, something your friend may not have mentioned. It's not the amount of water at the root zone that's the issue, it's the exclusion of air. Roots will grow into the gravel and benefit from water and salts that collect there.

It's all in The Balance,
UB
 

ClamDigger

Active Member
good argument uncle ben, its all in the lack of air.
what about a layer of Rockwool or Coco Coir on the bottom to wick moisture down/hold lots of air?
i have never liked using rocks because it throws off the weight of the plant, then its harder to tell when to water.
 

Nitegazer

Well-Known Member
Adding a shallow layer of coarse perlite or small gravel to the bottom of the pot first will increase an air exchange at the lower root zone, something your friend may not have mentioned. It's not the amount of water at the root zone that's the issue, it's the exclusion of air. Roots will grow into the gravel and benefit from water and salts that collect there.
It's all in The Balance,
UB
Agreed that it's all in the balance, and a proper soil mix combined with good watering technique precludes many of the issues with accumulating water. However, I don't agree that sitting water is good for the roots, even if there is material below it to provide 'aeration'. A layer of porous material will not be able to oxygenate sitting water at the bottom of the pot.

For beginners still trying to dial-in soil mix and watering, the wick concept is a great alternative that might save a crop.

+rep for the new information. This is the kind of stuff I love to see on this board and debated.
 

ClamDigger

Active Member
another important note is to drill tons of holes in your pots so water is never forced to pool and compact your dirt, kill your roots, fill your air spaces, and float your pearlite :D
 

Jerry Garcia

Well-Known Member
This all seems very unnecessary. Mix soil, put soil in pot, water, let dry, water, let dry, water...

I don't understand the problem.
 
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