CBD RECIPE WANTED...

organiccbd

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Huel Perkins said:
Organiccbd, to make high CBD oil you need to start with high CBD bud. There is no way around it. Look up Genotype A in Ann Arbor, they sell clones of Cannatonic - Perkins Cut that has tested over 17% CBD and less than 1% THC.
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This sounds great my friend! I have been looking online, and THC Finder but no such collective is listed. If you would PM me the information to call them I would greatly appreciate it. I have hear a lot about this strain, just never knew it was around in Michigan yet. Thanks for the lead Huel Perkins :)
 
st0wandgrow

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organiccbd said:
Hi everyone,

This is my first post and it seems to be a hard subject for myself. I'm looking into helping a medical patient with lung cancer threw a CBD treatment. My research seems to have come to a stop on the subject. It seems most posts I read tend to lean on the THC and this patient is a recovering alcoholic so I have decided to try and stay away from the high THC levels. I got my hands on a strain from seed called " shark shock " from the CBD CREW. This is a 1-1 ratio of THC and CBD and peaks around 7% as I read. I feel this will be a good trade off since I can't find a true seed source yet for extreme CBD levels with low to zero THC levels.

So back to the matter at hand. I'm looking for the best way's to treat her on a daily basis for her condition. She has gone threw a lot and her body can't handle chemo anymore so this is her golden ticket to a safe treatment and healthy life again. As I read and read, I'm just not sure what the best treatment is for her? I tend to think RSO would be a good way to go, but how much per dose and what is the amount she needs to take per day and for how long in order to reach full effect?

I also think capsules of decarb flower would help, but again no solid amounts or guide lines that I can find to support my thoughts. I would love to hear some recipes and treatment guidelines to help aid her into recovery from the members here. I'm not new to the hobby, but I will be the first to admit I'm out of my comfort zone when it comes to fighting cancer. Any and all help would be great. My goal is to give her quality of life back with the best treatment I can offer her in a organic fashation packed with CBD and love.

Thanks for reading, hope to hear some great ideas. I apologize for the poor grammar ahead of time.Hope everyone has a fun and safe holiday. Peace.
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DemonTrich said:
pm st0wandgrow (I hope I got his s/n correct). he posted up a good tek for making a cbd oil. I think the recipe came from the guy in cali who helped the little girl with her seizures.
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organiccbd, I have only made RSO twice, so I would defer to GrowGodess and NurseNancy on this one. They will be the ones to look to for info.

A couples points mentioned above that I agree with. I wouldn't focus on just cbd. Especially for what you're looking to treat. While cbd is a useful compound, it seems that there is a synergy, or "entourage effect" where canabinoids, terpenes, and other compounds work in unison to create the medicinal effects. Your oil should contain mostly high THC bud (from what I've read on the topic), and a much smaller percentage of cbd flowers. I treat a patient with an auto-immune disease, and one with seizures (dravets) and the high cbd oil is effective for both of them, but I am getting even better results with equal parts thc flowers added to the mix.

Also mentioned above, you could make a non-activated oil if your patient doesn't want to (or can't) get high. The RSO will absolutely lay your patient out. Especially until a tolerance is built. If this were my patient I might consider making both an activated RSO, and a non activated oil that won't get her high .... or at least not nearly as high. Perhaps she could take the RSO dose in the evening, allowing enough time before bed to go through the intensely uncomfortable high which if timed right would dissipate in time for adequate sleep. Then in the AM take a dose of the non-activated oil so that she can function during the day. I want to caution you on the non-activated oil though. I've really never heard of a cancer patient using this type of oil, so I can't ensure any therapeutic benefit to a cancer patient ..... at least to the degree that RSO seems to have. I think it might be a good combination though.

Here are a couple links that are posted elsewhere on RIU that might be of some use to you. Best of luck!

http://steephilllab.com/terpenes-and-cannabis/

 
sunny747

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Grain alcohol and a rice cooker outdoors seems t be the easiest and safest way to make RSO. The rice cooker automatically adjust temp so the oil doesn't burn..
 
st0wandgrow

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sunny747 said:
Grain alcohol and a rice cooker outdoors seems t be the easiest and safest way to make RSO. The rice cooker automatically adjust temp so the oil doesn't burn..
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Seems to be ..... but it takes several hours, and stinks to high heaven. If my neighbors didn't know what I was up to before that they do now.
 
organiccbd

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st0wandgrow said:
organiccbd, I have only made RSO twice, so I would defer to GrowGodess and NurseNancy on this one. They will be the ones to look to for info.

A couples points mentioned above that I agree with. I wouldn't focus on just cbd. Especially for what you're looking to treat. While cbd is a useful compound, it seems that there is a synergy, or "entourage effect" where canabinoids, terpenes, and other compounds work in unison to create the medicinal effects. Your oil should contain mostly high THC bud (from what I've read on the topic), and a much smaller percentage of cbd flowers. I treat a patient with an auto-immune disease, and one with seizures (dravets) and the high cbd oil is effective for both of them, but I am getting even better results with equal parts thc flowers added to the mix.

Also mentioned above, you could make a non-activated oil if your patient doesn't want to (or can't) get high. The RSO will absolutely lay your patient out. Especially until a tolerance is built. If this were my patient I might consider making both an activated RSO, and a non activated oil that won't get her high .... or at least not nearly as high. Perhaps she could take the RSO dose in the evening, allowing enough time before bed to go through the intensely uncomfortable high which if timed right would dissipate in time for adequate sleep. Then in the AM take a dose of the non-activated oil so that she can function during the day. I want to caution you on the non-activated oil though. I've really never heard of a cancer patient using this type of oil, so I can't ensure any therapeutic benefit to a cancer patient ..... at least to the degree that RSO seems to have. I think it might be a good combination though.

Here are a couple links that are posted elsewhere on RIU that might be of some use to you. Best of luck!

http://steephilllab.com/terpenes-and-cannabis/

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Great share St0wandgrow. So after a little more reading, I think my best bet is to grow the shark shock for the high CBD and grow my King Tut or Sour Cali Kush. I will mix a 50/50 and RSO will have a even blend. This is not set in stone, but seems to be the best of both world cooked together.

I did have a talk with her today. I explained she is going to have to handle herself and she agreed. So a 7% CBD strain and a 20-23% Strain will be used for the RSO. The dose Sunny was talking about seems to be the same as I have been reading so I will stick with that.

Now I'm still not finding any hard data as to why the THC or CBD out weighs the other in medical effects, but the video posted was from Spain. I did a lot of reading on Spain and the practice of Medical uses and to my surprise they have been working with medical for many years. I will have to search google when I get more free time looking for study's to bridge the gap.

As you mentioned, smell seems to be a major issues also. So making RSO will be something I need to do in a location away from my house. Thanks to everyone for all the help in this thread. I really was looking for direction and that's just what I got. Glad to have joined the site! I will not start a new thread. I will post any more questions or up dates in this thread so I'm not all over the place.

Again, thanks for all the advice and direction in helping my new patient!
 
AlphaPhase

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I'm also on a mission to make use of cbd. I also just ordered cbd crew shark shock.. I'm hoping the 6%thc/6%cbd will be a good ratio, I have bad anxiety, insomnia and some herniated disks and high thc strains, while they do help with my pain, it usually kicks my anxiety into full gear and I have trouble sleeping.. I know my problems compared to cancer are non-exiatant, but I really want to get myself feeling better. Wish you all the best on the cbd mission!
 
sunny747

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AlphaPhase said:
I'm also on a mission to make use of cbd. I also just ordered cbd crew shark shock.. I'm hoping the 6%thc/6%cbd will be a good ratio, I have bad anxiety, insomnia and some herniated disks and high thc strains, while they do help with my pain, it usually kicks my anxiety into full gear and I have trouble sleeping.. I know my problems compared to cancer are non-exiatant, but I really want to get myself feeling better. Wish you all the best on the cbd mission!
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CBD mayyyyy keep you awake. I am not sure.. I have heard this before. Mine won't be finished for a while. I really hope it knocks me out.
 
vanillahub

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I just wanted to add that just because you have high CBD seeds, that doesn't guarantee that you will produce a high CBD plant. You should get your plant tested to see if it's a high CBD phenotype. I am growing Nordle & Yummy currently & will be sending samples to the lab next week to see what I have. If you are aware of this already great, but I thought I would mention it.
As far as RSO is concerned, my brother in law who had bladder cancer was just given a clear by his doc. No cancer was found after 6 months of RSO. It does work but as someone mentioned earlier it's whole plant medicine. THC is an important component in the treatment & shouldn't be left out. Good luck, I hope it all works out!
 
sunny747

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vanillahub said:
I just wanted to add that just because you have high CBD seeds, that doesn't guarantee that you will produce a high CBD plant. You should get your plant tested to see if it's a high CBD phenotype. I am growing Nordle & Yummy currently & will be sending samples to the lab next week to see what I have. If you are aware of this already great, but I thought I would mention it.
As far as RSO is concerned, my brother in law who had bladder cancer was just given a clear by his doc. No cancer was found after 6 months of RSO. It does work but as someone mentioned earlier it's whole plant medicine. THC is an important component in the treatment & shouldn't be left out. Good luck, I hope it all works out!
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Yes, thank you.. I have learned so much since this post.. Where are you going to get your test from? Do you have a link?
My Critical cure is about one month from harvest. I'm looking forward to it. I agree, need the whole plant material. There is a bit of mis info out there about CBD strains and what they do.

That is awesome news about your brother in law! I am excited to hear this. Was it difficult for him to take so much RSO? 1/20th of 1 gram of Co2 oil sends me into outer space :) I guess it's better to be medicated with MMJ than sick from chemo if I had to choose.

I recently watched a vid produced by Rick. He was saying to be aware that greenish/blackish co2 oils are NOT RSO, so be aware that they may not have the desired medical effect.
 
organiccbd

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Well I got a few strains thanks to a tip from a member. I picked up one called Star Tonic. 16% cbd and 9% thc I believe. I also got Nightmare OG and Death Star for myself. The Nightmare OG wants to stretch like a runner before the race starts, so I had to train them ASAP. The Start Tonic and Death Star are doing great. The collective Genotype A was a very straight forward place for good cuts and I would recommend this place to anyone willing to take the drive. The cuts where very cheap and CBD strains where half the price. They don't charge more for medical value strains. I was in and out in 10 minutes and have had zero bugs, mold or poor growth what so ever.

As far as effects, I will have to wait and see. I have my patient on dry ice hash caps till the RSO is ready. She started off at half a double zero size cap 2 hours before bed and is now taking 2 full caps 2 hours before bed. For being in her mid 70s she is taking it like a champ. Her sleep went from 4 hours to 7. She has almost zero depression and very little anxiety. She is also eating well and her pain is pretty much gone.

As far as ratio or test scores go, I'm not expecting a 16% CBD plant, but I'm pretty sure it will reach near 10% and that's pretty good in my book. I'm still new at this and reading my butt off. I figure by fall, her cancer will be nothing but a story she can share with other and what kind or natural treatment options are out there.

I would like to ask, when you decarb for CBD what temp in the over and for how long? I decarb my bud and hash at 220 for 30-60 minutes, but I'm reading CBD needs higher temps. Does anyone have a good source to go by on this?

Sorry it took me so long to update. I will be back more often.

Peace
 
st0wandgrow

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organiccbd said:
Well I got a few strains thanks to a tip from a member. I picked up one called Star Tonic. 16% cbd and 9% thc I believe. I also got Nightmare OG and Death Star for myself. The Nightmare OG wants to stretch like a runner before the race starts, so I had to train them ASAP. The Start Tonic and Death Star are doing great. The collective Genotype A was a very straight forward place for good cuts and I would recommend this place to anyone willing to take the drive. The cuts where very cheap and CBD strains where half the price. They don't charge more for medical value strains. I was in and out in 10 minutes and have had zero bugs, mold or poor growth what so ever.

As far as effects, I will have to wait and see. I have my patient on dry ice hash caps till the RSO is ready. She started off at half a double zero size cap 2 hours before bed and is now taking 2 full caps 2 hours before bed. For being in her mid 70s she is taking it like a champ. Her sleep went from 4 hours to 7. She has almost zero depression and very little anxiety. She is also eating well and her pain is pretty much gone.

As far as ratio or test scores go, I'm not expecting a 16% CBD plant, but I'm pretty sure it will reach near 10% and that's pretty good in my book. I'm still new at this and reading my butt off. I figure by fall, her cancer will be nothing but a story she can share with other and what kind or natural treatment options are out there.

I would like to ask, when you decarb for CBD what temp in the over and for how long? I decarb my bud and hash at 220 for 30-60 minutes, but I'm reading CBD needs higher temps. Does anyone have a good source to go by on this?

Sorry it took me so long to update. I will be back more often.

Peace
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Great news about your patient! That's wonderful that you're helping her!

As far as decarbing your cbd buds, what are you planning on doing with them? Oil?
 
organiccbd

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st0wandgrow said:
Great news about your patient! That's wonderful that you're helping her!

As far as decarbing your cbd buds, what are you planning on doing with them? Oil?
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Thanks. I want to make dry ice hash with the 6% ratio strain I have. I have other patients that don't like the feeling of being medicated and are body builders. I was thinking caps would be best for pain, sleep issues etc.

Any thoughts?
 
st0wandgrow

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organiccbd said:
Thanks. I want to make dry ice hash with the 6% ratio strain I have. I have other patients that don't like the feeling of being medicated and are body builders. I was thinking caps would be best for pain, sleep issues etc.

Any thoughts?
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Well, if you are turning it all in to sift then I don't think there is any need to heat it at all. If it's being used for hash to smoke, the Bic lighter you will be using will do a fine job at activating it. Left as just kief, and orally ingested in gel caps it will remain largely unactivated.

Maybe I'm not following what you are asking here....?
 
organiccbd

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st0wandgrow said:
Well, if you are turning it all in to sift then I don't think there is any need to heat it at all. If it's being used for hash to smoke, the Bic lighter you will be using will do a fine job at activating it. Left as just kief, and orally ingested in gel caps it will remain largely unactivated.

Maybe I'm not following what you are asking here....?
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Sorry. When I make my patients caps, I take the dry ice hash, de carb it @ 220 for 30-60 mins. I was reading CBD needs to be de carb at a high temp to activate the cbd so you can put it in caps and ingest them with full effect. I'm going to take the CBD strain and dry ice hash it also as I would with normal bud.

Is there a better way to get the most out of the CBD in the plant that isn't smoking the buds?

Thanks
 
st0wandgrow

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organiccbd said:
Sorry. When I make my patients caps, I take the dry ice hash, de carb it @ 220 for 30-60 mins. I was reading CBD needs to be de carb at a high temp to activate the cbd so you can put it in caps and ingest them with full effect. I'm going to take the CBD strain and dry ice hash it also as I would with normal bud.

Is there a better way to get the most out of the CBD in the plant that isn't smoking the buds?

Thanks
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Myself, if I want an activated canna cap I simmer the buds in coconut/flax seed oil on the stove top for 90 minutes at around 225-250. Then add the resulting oil to the capsules. I've never tried decarbing sift. Interesting way of doing it!
 
organiccbd

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st0wandgrow said:
Myself, if I want an activated canna cap I simmer the buds in coconut/flax seed oil on the stove top for 90 minutes at around 225-250. Then add the resulting oil to the capsules. I've never tried decarbing sift. Interesting way of doing it!
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I have a magic butter machine. I know you can do the same with the machine. I'm just not sure how to dose people correctly with infused oil in caps.
 
sunny747

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I'll throw in my 2 cents. Yes, to ingest THC/CBD it must be converted from thca/cbda by heating it. i saw a kief video where they vacuum packed the kief then put the bag into a hot water bath. I made canna cream the other night and decarbed in the oven then heated it in cream. Worked great. Not sure the oven decarb was necessary.
I like the idea of making an oil for the caps. Just have to make sure you get it a high enough temp for a long enough period of time.

This study seems pretty scientific to me and should be helpful. Notice that if you over-decarb then the thc breaks down into other elememts and will cause drowsiness.
http://greenstyleconsulting.us/how-to-decarboxylate-cannabis/
 
vanillahub

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Sunny747, sorry I haven't responded in a while. I got virus that killed my laptop & just got a new one this week. I plan on testing my plants at Iron Lab in Walled Lake, it's the only game in town now as far as I can tell. Regarding my brother in law, the RSO is something you have to start small & work up to. He says it really knocks him on his butt but that's way better than the alternative. He takes it about 7 pm & goes to bed within 2 hours. He went to another doctor recently with all his tests & scans after his initial all clear from the first doc. The 2nd doc read everything & was amazed at the results & also conclued that he is cancer free as well. He is very relieved & plans on taking a maintainence dose for a while.
This is how I do my decarbing, this guy seems pretty legit:
http://www.marijuanagrowershq.com/decarboxylating-cannabis-turning-thca-into-thc/
I have yet to make the oil but will give it a go after this next harvest. I do make an awesome salve that my patients rave about & I use the above method of decarbing when I make it.
Good luck with everything!! I hope your patient ends with a happy ending too!!!!
 
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