Can't grow right

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Can't grow right

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Hey everyone
I am having such a hard time I am ripping my hair out
I currently have a 3 tent set up. 1 4x4 for veg, 1 4x8 for flower and 1 2x4 for mothers. They are run as good as I could make it happen. I have a sub pannel and dedicated breakers for the power. I have 4 in line ventilation fans completely cycling the air from each room many times a minute. The air is drawn from a completely opposite side of the basment and the exhaust is vented outside. All vents are run with hard metal lines and sealed with mastic as metalic tape as a backup. 0 leaks
I am running a small 4 bulb 2 foot t5 over my dwc clone box and on the bottom shelf for the 1 gallon clones I run a 4 lamp t5 about 10 inches above the plants ( I have been growing for years so I understand the proper heights )
I run R.O. water that comes out with a literal .02 pom when it comes out of the faucet and I used ForFarm ocean forest in hydrofarm square plastic pots on top of a small bed of hydro corn places in the overflow tray to give an air gap beneath the pot and the tray
I am extremely clean, the area is well cared for
I understand watering practices and I am adept at not over or under watering
When I do a slurry test or just a runoff test, my pmm comes out around 500 and the p.h. reads 6.4

Despite all that, despite administering a Nectar for the Gods regiment I fully understand and have researched
My plants lock out nutrients and don't grow correctly.
I flush when I start to see it happen, and it still doesn't matter. They damage is done, and they grow like shit if at all
What the fuck is happening. This is the 3rd year I have been trying and I have been slinging thousands of dollars, and hours into it and still getting nowhere
I can not understand what the fuck is wrong with me
 
BBQtoast

BBQtoast

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You can't grow and a lot of complete nonsense is written so it's no help.

First error blaming soil, do not check runoff ever in soil and do not pH.

I use soil, means I don't use fertilizer till the final pot and when asked by the plant, there's a foolproof schedule.

That's the simple part out the way the rest is environment.
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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BBQtoast said:
You can't grow and a lot of complete nonsense is written so it's no help.

First error blaming soil, do not check runoff ever in soil and do not pH.

I use soil, means I don't use fertilizer till the final pot and when asked by the plant, there's a foolproof schedule.

That's the simple part out the way the rest is environment.
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Uh... you can absolutely blame the soil sometimes. I just had a batch of ffof about 5 months ago that was absolute garbage right out of the bag. That was not the first bag of foxfarms soil that I've bought that was bad. I am not saying that this is what is going on with the OP, but telling him he's a trash grower and insisting it couldn't be the soil is presumptuous and not particularly helpful.

I think your advice about not chasing pH when using soil is spot on and its a lesson I've had to relearn a couple times.
 
BBQtoast

BBQtoast

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NanoGadget said:
Uh... you can absolutely blame the soil sometimes. I just had a batch of ffof about 5 months ago that was absolute garbage right out of the bag. That was not the first bag of foxfarms soil that I've bought that was bad. I am not saying that this is what is going on with the OP, but telling him he's a trash grower and insisting it couldn't be the soil is presumptuous and not particularly helpful.

I think your advice about not chasing pH when using soil is spot on and its a lesson I've had to relearn a couple times.
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I'm not saying he is a trash grower I'm writing his words and saying it's an uphill battle trying to read anything of help.

Bad bags of soil are not common or worth a reply unless that's identified.

And the golden info to ignore runoff and pH, not for our soils or level. You will do more damage second guessing. A light too close will make you think it's the soil, that's often the reason everyone puts lots of calmag in their mixes too.
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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BBQtoast said:
I'm not saying he is a trash grower I'm writing his words and saying it's an uphill battle trying to read anything of help.
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Fair enough. I think I misunderstood you. My apologies

BBQtoast said:
Bad bags of soil are not common or worth a reply unless that's identified.
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Normally I'd agree with this, and 3 or 4 years ago I would have said the same thing, but foxfarms have been slipping on quality control recently. There are entire threads in this and other cannabis forums with experienced growers and former advocates of the brand discussing how unreliable the brand has become. I hope they get their shit together because I absolutely love ffof for an off the self soil option. One of the best plants I have ever grown was in 35 gallons of ffof.
 
Quispp

Quispp

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Old timer here. I learned most my stuff from a guy who taught thousands (RIP BOG). He emphasized the KISS method, even using Walmart soil back when it was fairly decent stuff. Personally, I use FFOF straight from the bag on everything from cuttings to flower. Tap water...if it's clean enough to safely drink, that's all you need. Let it sit in open container an hour so chlorine evaporates. Ph testing isn't done for soil. It got to be a thing when hydro became popular. Don't need to in soil. Use whatever brand ferts you like for veg and for flower, following directions. I use a basic GH powder, one for each. Plants should be right next to T5 lights, just no touching. 10" away is too far. Don't overfeed, water when the pot feels light. You didn't mention light schedule, use 18/6 for veg.
 
BBQtoast

BBQtoast

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NanoGadget said:
Fair enough. I think I misunderstood you. My apologies


Normally I'd agree with this, and 3 or 4 years ago I would have said the same thing, but foxfarms have been slipping on quality control recently. There are entire threads in this and other cannabis forums with experienced growers and former advocates of the brand discussing how unreliable the brand has become. I hope they get their shit together because I absolutely love ffof for an off the self soil option. One of the best plants I have ever grown was in 35 gallons of ffof.
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Then it's a separate thread and topic, you won't find everyone feels the same. There's lots of broader issues but I'm talking in general. Ages ago ffof sourced some bad materials, that was noticed but since then most rave on the stuff.
 
Keeprollinup

Keeprollinup

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Grow in coco buy coco A-B feed at 10% after 10 days from seed 25% at 2weeks in 50% 3rd week 75% from week 5 and 90% when flowering and use big bud also full strength I dont PH I don't check anything I just mix the feed and water never had any problems other than massive results. People over complicate things all the time with there run off ppm and crap.
 
GrowRijt

GrowRijt

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All you guys telling him to dump more food on it. Smh. This seems like classic over feed to me. I don’t use ffof but that stuff can go all they way through veg on plain water. It’s pretty hot out of the bag. And nectar for the gods. I don’t know. Seems like another one of those buy twelve bottles because we say so type of lines. It’s does say right in their chart it works best at inputs of 500 ppm. I say plain water for two flush and dry down cycles and see where you are.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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For those of you saying PH doesn't matter in soil, if it wasn’t for @Renfro s advise on getting a good ph meter, we would have lost an entire 20x30 room. I was chasing my tail trying to figure out what was going wrong. After his advise on getting a good meter, I found my soil had crashed. After a hard correction, all went well to the finish. The man knows his stuff. I use it every day and sometimes I will find that I have to make small corrections now and then before it gets out of hand.
 
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