Cannabis is TOXIC to Dogs and Cats

I would think the chocolate in those brownies is more toxic than the marijuana. I have heard of cases of dogs ingesting brownies or chocolate and dieing. Though every dog i've ever had got into brownies and chocolate periodically. Once she ate a 1 lb easter bunny and got diarrhea all over everything. Man she was a good dog though.

My dog eats my fan leaves when I'm in the garden but doesn't go for the buds ...
Funny thing is she never does it in front of me , she always goes to the opposite side I'm on and goes to work on the lower leaves.

But yea I don't get my dogs high or blow smoke in there face. But I have smoked in the same room as them with the window open of course ....

Clayton, now that you've returned, would you please answer my question about those allegedly weed-induced pet deaths? You wrote of a correlation but presented it as causal. Imo you're in a position where you need to support a slightly preposterous claim ... or retract it. cn

One time I ate too many medibles and died, so it's entirely possible.

imchucky666 said:

This my thread along the same line of thought, with some info to go with.
https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/566673-just-little-something-help-keep.html

I did have an Akita as a kid though, and he loved bubble gum, but he didn't end up like this LOLView attachment 2373251

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I've had a dog eat near an ounce of LA Con when it was about 8 months old. Damn dog was fine other than a little panting but I was really sorry to see the ounce go. The dog is still here 4 years later with no health issues at all. I've smoked around all sorts of animals but I do dislike smoking around small birds as they have such efficient lungs, not that I've seen any fall dead off the perch. Some animals like altering their perception just as much as humans do. Cats will search out catnip to get high, other animals will eat fermenting fruit just to get drunk, so who's not to say that dogs enjoy a secondhand stone. In the UK though this usually means inhaling a lot of tobacco smoke as well, I'm sure I've heard somewhere that tobacco is bad for you.

I have mixed feelings on this but error on the side of caution.

For those who say that their dog eats it on there own are silly. Dogs will eat all types of poisons on their own. Anti freeze is one example.

What is the point in getting an animal high anyway?

I have seen dogs eat turds and barf, so the fact that they voluntarily eat it doesn't hold much water.

me and a friend hotboxed my turtle tank once. my turtle was like 6 mo at the time. nothing happened, he just went outside and ate a lizard. he lived for like 9 years.

cannabineer said:

Clayton, now that you've returned, would you please answer my question about those allegedly weed-induced pet deaths? You wrote of a correlation but presented it as causal. Imo you're in a position where you need to support a slightly preposterous claim ... or retract it. cn

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Deaths up 400% retracted as fact, but not as possible. Marijuana toxic to dogs, I will not retract. I posted several links to information. Getting your dog high is irresponsible, and ignorant. Would you get your baby high? Why not put coffee down instead of water for your dog? How about giving them meth, or heroin?

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They killed Killer, B.

ClaytonBigsby said:

Deaths up 400% retracted as fact, but not as possible. Marijuana toxic to dogs, I will not retract. I posted several links to information. Getting your dog high is irresponsible, and ignorant. Would you get your baby high? Why not put coffee down instead of water for your dog? How about giving them meth, or heroin?

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We are talking about cannabis. But sure, you can try and move the argument to meth and heroin, sounds totally logical to me. we are not talking about babies either.

And fuck it, HUMANS getting high is irresponsible and ignorant, i mean we're not scientists, and i mean there is an awful lot of stuff out there telling us how it poisonous and whatnot, but yet we get high anyway. So why so concerned about a dog sat around while you're ahving a joint but no concern about humans sat around having a joint. Surely you should be a lot more concerned about how these studies show we are encouraging mental illness and whatnot, think of your parents, your kids, what you're putting them through by your poisonous habits!

What do you feed your dogs out of curiosity?

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We are talking about cannabis. But sure, you can try and move the argument to meth and heroin, sounds totally logical to me. we are not talking about babies either.

And fuck it, HUMANS getting high is irresponsible and ignorant, i mean we're not scientists, and i mean there is an awful lot of stuff out there telling us how it poisonous and whatnot, but yet we get high anyway. So why so concerned about a dog sat around while you're ahving a joint but no concern about humans sat around having a joint. Surely you should be a lot more concerned about how these studies show we are encouraging mental illness and whatnot, think of your parents, your kids, what you're putting them through by your poisonous habits!

What do you feed your dogs out of curiosity?

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A dog could probably take way more heroine than a full grown male adult. Dogs metabolize differently than we do, I I know from a friend who works at an animal hospital as a vet tech, that doses of pain killers are way stronger for dogs. They literally give dogs under 100 pounds a significantly stronger dose by miligrams than a fully grown adult human.

ClaytonBigsby said:

Deaths up 400% retracted as fact, but not as possible. Marijuana toxic to dogs, I will not retract. I posted several links to information. Getting your dog high is irresponsible, and ignorant. Would you get your baby high? Why not put coffee down instead of water for your dog? How about giving them meth, or heroin?

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While the posts on this board are anecdotal, they do seem to provide a solid phalanx of accounts debunking your claim of toxicity. For what it's worth, i perused your links and found one instance of another of increased admissions of pets for weed intoxication, but no mention of mortality - or even sequelae worth bother. As for the implicit comparison of weed to drugs known to kill, I consider that a classic "straw man" argument. So imo you're bringing an appeal to emotion camouflaged by links to instances of not-entirely-relevant fact. Your entire plea is based on the premise that "weed is bad for dogs and cats", and I have not seen that demonstrated to any satisfaction at all. cn

I am really, really annoyed that RIU is throwing out my hard return keystrokes. What the [term not recommended for broadcast on EWTN] gives??

I don't care what you folks do to your pets. I read it the other day and threw it out there. I have done it, but after reading a little on the subject will not in the future. Best of luck.

When a dog gets high, it often acts a lot like a person high on marijuana. The dog can lose its fine motor control, making them wobbly, and they can become lethargic, reports CBS. While most dogs who get a hold of marijuana do survive, some vets believe that the drug is much more toxic to dogs

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so when high dogs act like humans do when high, and when they say most, as to the "most dogs survive", seems by the lack of evaluation on that point that they have zero evidence to prove that those not in the "most" catagory died because of the weed.

And as per the highlighted word, the whole argument appears based on what they believe hell, some believe the earth was made in 7 days, or that wearing a pyramid shaped hat will make your dog live twice as long. The moment something starts talking about beliefs, well i ignore it, the word belief is used due to the fact that those in question don't have a single thing to give any proof of the claim they are making.

ClaytonBigsby said:

I don't care what you folks do to your pets. I read it the other day and threw it out there. I have done it, but after reading a little on the subject will not in the future. Best of luck.

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You read it where?
If you'd post what you read, I for one would be interested. But it must be to the point of your claim.
Your first claim involved a 400% rise in dog mortality tied to Colorado's cannabis laws. You retracted that.
But you maintain that Cannabis is toxic to dogs and cats, then posted a number of links that don't address that issue.

I appeal to the spirit invoked in your sig. Pros and educated people question stuff. Is there not value in casting a hard gaze upon unsupported claims, and dismantling them if possible? Please do not mistake such action as an attack on your person. But a moral plea based on facts that do not hold water is very much worth testing unto failure imo. cn

cannabineer said:

You read it where?
If you'd post what you read, I for one would be interested. But it must be to the point of your claim.
Your first claim involved a 400% rise in dog mortality tied to Colorado's cannabis laws. You retracted that.
But you maintain that Cannabis is toxic to dogs and cats, then posted a number of links that don't address that issue.

I appeal to the spirit invoked in your sig. Pros and educated people question stuff. Is there not value in casting a hard gaze upon unsupported claims, and dismantling them if possible? Please do not mistake such action as an attack on your person. But a moral plea based on facts that do not hold water is very much worth testing unto failure imo. cn

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Here are four more links:

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/cannabis-facts-information/74324-cannabis-dogs-do-not-mix.html


http://blog.howardhuge.com/2009/04/effects-of-marijuana-in-dogs/

http://hightimes.com/entertainment/mellis/3752

http://www.critterology.com/marijuana_toxicity_in_pets-120.html


Again, I am not a scientist. I am not going to do my own independent study and publish my findings to any medical journals. As a responsible pet owner, I came across these articles and, on the side of caution, will not be allowing my dog to get high. I don't care what anecdolts people have on the subject. Some of these posters (and supporters of getting their dogs high) do not even know how N. Korea and China are related. The links DO address the issue. If people choose to not acknowledge them because they need a burning bush, that is their problem. I am not going to further debate the issue. Do, or don't, but have the decency to at least study the matter before forcing it on your dog. I prefer to err on the side of caution, especially for those I love and are dependent on me. Frankly cn, I am disappointed.

Faulker out.

ClaytonBigsby said:

Here are four more links:

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/cannabis-facts-information/74324-cannabis-dogs-do-not-mix.html


http://blog.howardhuge.com/2009/04/effects-of-marijuana-in-dogs/

http://hightimes.com/entertainment/mellis/3752

http://www.critterology.com/marijuana_toxicity_in_pets-120.html


Again, I am not a scientist. I am not going to do my own independent study and publish my findings to any medical journals. As a responsible pet owner, I came across these articles and, on the side of caution, will not be allowing my dog to get high. I don't care what anecdolts people have on the subject. Some of these posters (and supporters of getting their dogs high) do not even know how N. Korea and China are related. The links DO address the issue. If people choose to not acknowledge them because they need a burning bush, that is their problem. I am not going to further debate the issue. Do, or don't, but have the decency to at least study the matter before forcing it on your dog. I prefer to err on the side of caution, especially for those I love and are dependent on me. Frankly cn, I am disappointed.

Faulker out.

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Clayton,
my question would have to be what information you're gleaning from those links, stuff I'm not seeing.
I looked through those four new links and found
1) a century-old account, "we tried to kill a dog with intravenous Cannabis and could not. the dog recovered competely".
2) No author; no citations. Classic Internet cud. Two deaths but of unreported etiology. Fearmongering by association?
3) "breaking news! Dogs can get stoned!"
4) A digest from two handbooks published by commercial interests. its editorial slant is evident from Drug Warrior language.

I think that you're using an old definition of "toxic". Back when, the word had two distinct meanings: 1) it's bad for you, andor 2) it makes you feel funny (as in intoxicant). Obviously dogs can get intoxicated. In fact, for humans, that is sort of the point, and for all the "anecdolts" who report vigorous and durable drug-seeking behavior in their dogs and cats, it rather injures the proposition that weed is more anxiogenic in those mammals than in humans.
But as to the first, more serious meaning of toxic (injurious, damaging) I have so far seen no evidence beyond that second reference's mention of two dog deaths. (The absence of detail means that we are NOT allowed to draw the conclusion that that Bloggist would have us draw, and the absence of references or any sort of review marks that factoid as simple "sez you!" stuff.) Nowhere have I found a single confirmed instance of weed doing real harm to a dog or cat.

So I continue to challenge your claim that weed is toxic to dogs or cats. Intoxicating? hell yeah. But who uses "toxic" that way any more unless propagandizing?

Clayton, I respect your passion regarding this topic. But if you want to make an emotional appeal, make it honest and unadorned. I see you trying to invoke science, but not doing that in a way that stands up to even my sloppy Net-warrior review. THAT is why I am investing this much energy ... the false aura of legitimacy that the irrelevant (and far-from-primary in almost all cases) links would give your position. And when you insist that "the links DO address the issue!' when they demonstrably do not, you're beginning to step into some bad old territory: verity by repetition.

I am not championing getting animals high. I would never defend or countenance getting a dog high that didn't actively seek the drug, like the idiots who horbox their pets.
At the same time, I look at folks whose pets act to share or steal the buzz, and I cannot see the harm. This holds true after reading all your links.

Finally, understand that this is not personal. i am not attacking you or even finding reason to like you less. But I feel it is my full right to call BS on your claim. cn