Cannabis Cup Biased?? Over rated: Tangerine Dream, Jack Herer....

Esteban Sanchez · Jan 25, 2011

Deerhunter617 said:
I imagine you can get a hole bunch of feminised kush seeds for the price of 10 regular jacks. The guy selling this "killer" kush is probably keeping the Jack for his/her self I've smoked all sorts of kush and they don't enter any of the sativa/haze groups on highs IMO (probably and actual fact)

According to your page it looks like your from Texas.. if so lol. My cousin just came over from San Antonio, smoked my weed and said stuff like this doesnt even exist in Texas. Texas has garbage bud... And ive heard this from many Texas people.

Come to a Cali collective with over 100 strains in one room. Try them all including Jack Herer and lets talk.

Where did you get you Kush seeds? Most are knock offs.

Bad Karma · Jan 25, 2011

Esteban Sanchez said:
Where did you get you Kush seeds? Most are knock offs.

Earth to Esteban, come in Esteban; isn't this exactly what I just told you about Jack Herer seeds?
True Sensi Seeds Jack Herer is about as rare as coming across some true Rainbow Kush, does that equation make more sense to you?

BTW folks, I like Kush's, I recently cracked my Reserva Privada Kandy Kush seed in hopes of a keeper.
Cali Connection's Swerve is the top breeder in that department, I'd be growing some of their Deadhead OG if I could afford it right now (to grow along side my Jack's of course).

BeaverHuntr · Jan 25, 2011

Bad Karma said:
Earth to Esteban, come in Esteban; isn't this exactly what I just told you about Jack Herer seeds?
True Sensi Seeds Jack Herer is about as rare as coming across some true Rainbow Kush, does that equation make more sense to you?

BTW folks, I like Kush's, I recently cracked my Reserva Privada Kandy Kush seed in hopes of a keeper.
Cali Connection's Swerve is the top breeder in that department, I'd be growing some of their Deadhead OG if I could afford it right now (to grow along side my Jack's of course).

how is Cali Connects Larry OG ??/ I want to try it but every grow attitude is sold out of Larry OG ... I opted for Reserva Privada OG Kush #18

Esteban Sanchez · Jan 25, 2011

Bad Karma said:
Earth to Esteban, come in Esteban; isn't this exactly what I just told you about Jack Herer seeds?
True Sensi Seeds Jack Herer is about as rare as coming across some true Rainbow Kush, does that equation make more sense to you?

BTW folks, I like Kush's, I recently cracked my Reserva Privada Kandy Kush seed in hopes of a keeper.
Cali Connection's Swerve is the top breeder in that department, I'd be growing some of their Deadhead OG if I could afford it right now (to grow along side my Jack's of course).

JH sensi seeds are sold online.... Why is that so rare? http://sensiseeds.com/jackherer/1p2310.html

Go find me a rainbow kush seed sold online ... so no, that equation makes no sense to me.

Bad Karma · Jan 25, 2011

Esteban Sanchez said:
JH sensi seeds are sold online.... Why is that so rare? http://sensiseeds.com/jackherer/1p2310.html

Go find me a rainbow kush seed sold online ... so no, that equation makes no sense to me.

Esteban, you are missing the point.
I would say over 85% of the "Jack Herer" that we come across in Cali dispensaries are knock
off's.
Just because something is available online doesn't make it a wide spread phenomenon, especially when Sensi's Jack Herer are some of the most expensive seeds available on the market.
Not many people can afford them and even fewer can grow them correctly, as Jack is legendarily fussy to grow (as I've been finding out first hand).
I used the Rainbow Kush analogy as a way for you to understand what I was trying to say while using a genetic rarity that you are familiar with.
Like I said, coming across true Jack Herer in a dispensary is as rare as coming across true Rainbow Kush in a dispensary.
The folks that both grow it and know it keep it to themselves.

Esteban Sanchez · Jan 25, 2011

Either way...My whole point to this thread was to find out rather or not the breeders and High Times are in some marketing / profit sharing agreements... to sell regular seeds for top dollar....
Shit i cant even load the high times website due to all of the seed ads..lol

Karma, your growing "true" jack right? Where did you get the seeds?? If you feel as though this strain tops any OG Kush then please i need these seeds asap. If your from Sac-town im pretty sure you have smoked some good herb. So i trust your opinion. The funny thing is.. i knew i would piss off some Tangerine or JH growers with this thread... hah

Brick Top · Jan 25, 2011

Esteban Sanchez said:
According to your page it looks like your from Texas.. if so lol. My cousin just came over from San Antonio, smoked my weed and said stuff like this doesnt even exist in Texas. Texas has garbage bud... And ive heard this from many Texas people.

Come to a Cali collective with over 100 strains in one room. Try them all including Jack Herer and lets talk.

I will never understand why Cali people ALWAYS want and need to believe that ANYTHING from Cali is ALWAYS better than ANYTHING from ANYWHERE else?

One of my friends is a med marijuana patient in Cali. He made friends with someone who works at a local dispensary and joked that he should try it because now that he knew someone who worked there maybe he could get deals. The guy told him don't buy from the dispensary he works for and that he shouldn't buy from any of them that he knew about and that my friend would be better off learning how to grow and growing his own.

He said they largely deal in knockoffs and some strains they grow will be packaged/sold under different names, claiming them to be strains they are not, and that the crops are not always all that well grown and you cannot depend on consistency in what you get. He also said that they will make crosses of knockoffs and give them unique names and claim them to be from some exotic strains when they are anything but. They will also just rename some strains they grow that are knockoffs or that they get cuttings from other dispensaries and rename them and claim them to be other strains they created, and of course claim them to be the best of the best.

My friend stayed with the place he had been using and like you said they had killer herb. When he visited me and smoked what I had grown he tried to get me to move to Cali and open a dispensary because he said he had never smoked anything like my stuff, nothing he has smoked from any different dispensary he or his friends had tried came close to it.

Maybe the one you use is great, maybe it is top notch, maybe it is the best in the entire State, but if so don't fool yourself into thinking that it is representative of every dispensary in the State.

But you would be wrong to assume that any strain name that is famous is actually from the original breeder's genetics and also that it was grown under optimal conditions and environment by someone who is a real pro when it comes to growing just because it is located in Cali. Geographical location in the U.S. is not what makes any herb great or the best it can possibly be.

True top genetics grown by highly skilled growers growing in optimal growing conditions and environment are what makes something great, not geographical location or because it comes from a dispensary.

Bad Karma · Jan 25, 2011

Esteban Sanchez said:
Either way...My whole point to this thread was to find out rather or not the breeders and High Times are in some marketing / profit sharing agreements... to sell regular seeds for top dollar....
Shit i cant even load the high times website due to all of the seed ads..lol

Karma, your growing "true" jack right? Where did you get the seeds?? If you feel as though this strain tops any OG Kush then please i need these seeds asap. If your from Sac-town im pretty sure you have smoked some good herb. So i trust your opinion. The funny thing is.. i knew i would piss off some Tangerine or JH growers with this thread... hah

I'm far from pissed off Esteban.
What we've been debating all depends on who your target market is sir.
I have a felling you "work" with the youth market, 18-25, to make your money.
To the 18-25 yr. olds, OG & Kush (in general) have been the 2 most hyped strains of their young lives.
So if they want bomb bud, they make the call for some OG Kush, because that's what they know.
Those of us who are above 25 (I'm rocking 34 trip around the sun) grew up in a different time.
We had White Widow, White Rhino, and Great White Shark in the 90's as our OG Kush's of the times.
All were related, all carry the family name, and all were thought to be the best of the best.
While the White strains are still top notch smoke, they are not considered as "elite" as they used to be.
While Sensi's Jack is a product of that era, it was decades ahead of its time even back then (95).
I guess what I'm getting at is that much of our discussion is generational, and is due to our inability to truly see things through someone else's eyes.
Spend the $200+ like I did and order yourself some real Herer seeds from Sensi.
You can easily fetch as much as you do for a zip of your top Kush, maybe not with that younger crowd I mentioned, but with one of us more experienced folks (aka geysers).
To quote a great movie, "Same team Farva, same team."

As for the Cannabis Cup itself, it is almost all marketing at this point.
It had much more meaning in the 90's when it was new and seeming untainted (thanks again Arjan).
The High Times Medicinal Cup here in the US has a little more credibility to it since their are judges and isn't based off of who can hand out the most freebies to the tourists.
Still, when there is a profit to be made, one can never put too much faith in to these kinds of events to stay legit.

Brick Top · Jan 26, 2011

Bad Karma said:
As for the Cannabis Cup itself, it is almost all marketing at this point.
It had much more meaning in the 90's when it was new and seeming untainted (thanks again Arjan).

I would pretty much agree, but maybe take the timeline a little farther. I think until about 2002 most strains that won or placed were actually deserving. From then until about 2005 or 2006 the percentage of deserving strains slipped and more and more 'marketing' and 'lobbying' accounted for a fair number of those that won or placed, but there were still a few that were deserving. Since then I think that few if any that won or placed did so solely on merit.

The High Times Medicinal Cup here in the US has a little more credibility to it since their are judges and isn't based off of who can hand out the most freebies to the tourists.

It might be more credible but I tend to believe it is more just the appearance of credibility and that there is still a fair bit of 'lobbying' going on.

Still, when there is a profit to be made, one can never put too much faith in to these kinds of events to stay legit.

That is why I said I believe there is a fair bit of 'lobbying' going on. Possibly less so by the breeders themselves, though I would not put some of that above doing so, but possibly more so a behind the scenes thing where larger dispensaries in more populated areas would like certain strains to win or place for their benefit even more so than for the benefit of the breeder.

Growing from clones means the breeder will not necessarily benefit much from a win but if a strain or strains are very popular, are top sellers, a win or even placing could be enough to justify a price increase for a dispensary owner or owners that are not as compassionate as their compassionate business makes them appear to be. So they might be the ones 'lobbying,' the ones telling judges how they get nothing but the most fantastic feedback from their customers about certain strains and how deserving they are of a win or at least placing high.

Even if it is fairly legit now it won't take long before it loses credibility too.

Esteban Sanchez · Jan 26, 2011

Bad Karma said:
I'm far from pissed off Esteban.
What we've been debating all depends on who your target market is sir.
I have a felling you "work" with the youth market, 18-25, to make your money.
To the 18-25 yr. olds, OG & Kush (in general) have been the 2 most hyped strains of their young lives.
So if they want bomb bud, they make the call for some OG Kush, because that's what they know.
Those of us who are above 25 (I'm rocking 34 trip around the sun) grew up in a different time.
We had White Widow, White Rhino, and Great White Shark in the 90's as our OG Kush's of the times.
All were related, all carry the family name, and all were thought to be the best of the best.
While the White strains are still top notch smoke, they are not considered as "elite" as they used to be.
While Sensi's Jack is a product of that era, it was decades ahead of its time even back then (95).
I guess what I'm getting at is that much of our discussion is generational, and is due to our inability to truly see things through someone else's eyes.
Spend the $200+ like I did and order yourself some real Herer seeds from Sensi.
You can easily fetch as much as you do for a zip of your top Kush, maybe not with that younger crowd I mentioned, but with one of us more experienced folks (aka geysers).
To quote a great movie, "Same team Farva, same team."

As for the Cannabis Cup itself, it is almost all marketing at this point.
It had much more meaning in the 90's when it was new and seeming untainted (thanks again Arjan).
The High Times Medicinal Cup here in the US has a little more credibility to it since their are judges and isn't based off of who can hand out the most freebies to the tourists.
Still, when there is a profit to be made, one can never put too much faith in to these kinds of events to stay legit.

Damn you old geyzers are stuck in the 90's!!... LOL just kidding
Yes i did grow up with alot of hype behind OG and Bubba Kush... Its simply is the best tasting and smelling bud here in LA... And we have a HUGE community of stoners and growers. My herb goes straight to collectives... which have crowds from 18-78.. but i agree the older folks like the older strains.... They think the new stuff is too strong... My Dad cant handle my OG...lol ... 1 hit and hes "ripped" in his words..ahah

Im going to call around to some local collectives and see if they have any JH on a top shelf

Ive only smoked JH from the mid-shelf.

It sounds like you and Brick Top agree... the CC winners are NOT the best strains in the world.. just a gimmick to make $$$. And its GREAT marketing/ publicity. Just dont think when you order your Tangerine Dream seeds your getting the best bud in the world.. because your not.

Holy shit $200+ on seeds??? My local clubs sell clones of 15 different strains $10 each or $5 for 5+. My next run is going to be Skywalker OG, Pre-98 Bubba x OG and La Conf.....mmmm! For $200 i can get 40 plants already rooted! No male/female bullshit!

new smokey · Jan 26, 2011

Bad Karma said:
Earth to Esteban, come in Esteban; isn't this exactly what I just told you about Jack Herer seeds?
True Sensi Seeds Jack Herer is about as rare as coming across some true Rainbow Kush, does that equation make more sense to you?

BTW folks, I like Kush's, I recently cracked my Reserva Privada Kandy Kush seed in hopes of a keeper.
Cali Connection's Swerve is the top breeder in that department, I'd be growing some of their Deadhead OG if I could afford it right now (to grow along side my Jack's of course).

http://www.worldwide-marijuana-seeds.com/products/sensi-jack-herer

BeaverHuntr · Jan 26, 2011

Esteban Sanchez said:
Damn you old geyzers are stuck in the 90's!!... LOL just kidding
Yes i did grow up with alot of hype behind OG and Bubba Kush... Its simply is the best tasting and smelling bud here in LA... And we have a HUGE community of stoners and growers. My herb goes straight to collectives... which have crowds from 18-78.. but i agree the older folks like the older strains.... They think the new stuff is too strong... My Dad cant handle my OG...lol ... 1 hit and hes "ripped" in his words..ahah

Im going to call around to some local collectives and see if they have any JH on a top shelf Ive only smoked JH from the mid-shelf.

It sounds like you and Brick Top agree... the CC winners are NOT the best strains in the world.. just a gimmick to make $$$. And its GREAT marketing/ publicity. Just dont think when you order your Tangerine Dream seeds your getting the best bud in the world.. because your not.

Holy shit $200+ on seeds??? My local clubs sell clones of 15 different strains $10 each or $5 for 5+. My next run is going to be Skywalker OG, Pre-98 Bubba x OG and La Conf.....mmmm! For $200 i can get 40 plants already rooted! No male/female bullshit!

OG Kush is still legit in my book ....

new smokey · Jan 26, 2011

Esteban Sanchez said:
Either way...My whole point to this thread was to find out rather or not the breeders and High Times are in some marketing / profit sharing agreements... to sell regular seeds for top dollar....
Shit i cant even load the high times website due to all of the seed ads..lol

Karma, your growing "true" jack right? Where did you get the seeds?? If you feel as though this strain tops any OG Kush then please i need these seeds asap. If your from Sac-town im pretty sure you have smoked some good herb. So i trust your opinion. The funny thing is.. i knew i would piss off some Tangerine or JH growers with this thread... hah

http://www.worldwide-marijuana-seeds.com/products/sensi-jack-herer

Pipe Dream · Jan 26, 2011

I got some OG Kush from a dispensary. Who knows what the hell it really was but one of the nastiest tasting herbs I ever smoked. It's all just a name unless you grow it yourself that's why I'm growing Jack Herer from seed.

Esteban Sanchez · Jan 26, 2011

new smokey said:
http://www.worldwide-marijuana-seeds.com/products/sensi-jack-herer

$26 per seed!!! Not even feminised! You better keep a few mothers!

Esteban Sanchez · Jan 26, 2011

Pipe Dream said:
I got some OG Kush from a dispensary. Who knows what the hell it really was but one of the nastiest tasting herbs I ever smoked. It's all just a name unless you grow it yourself that's why I'm growing Jack Herer from seed.

Sounds like it wasnt OG... Just doesnt make any sense. Even nastier than Mexican schwag?? lol

Brick Top · Jan 27, 2011

Esteban Sanchez said:
Damn you old geyzers are stuck in the 90's!!...

I don't pine for the strains of the 90's .. I pine for the strains of the 60's and early to mid 70's.

but i agree the older folks like the older strains.... They think the new stuff is too strong... My Dad cant handle my OG...lol ... 1 hit and hes "ripped" in his words..ahah

I am one who would not say the new strains are not too strong, too potent. Most are not as potent as the strains I cut my teeth on. They are just different, a fairly potent stone rather than a powerful high.

I have told, numerous times before, how the way THC level test were changed, how many things were factored out of the tests resulting in a false massive jump in levels of THC. The information can straight from a DEA agent that was a friend and neighbor of my cousin, but no one ever believes it when I tell them how things were changed.

The pot of the 60's and 70's was tested in a different way. THC was not only a percentage in relation to only cannabinoids like the test was changed to but instead in relation to everything found within trichome heads, and all tested were not even glandular trichome heads. Later, around the time of the beginning of the era of 'The Dutch Masters' it was discovered that the old test procedure was not really accurate because the plant matter included in the test, along with other elements found within trichome heads, were not part of what gets people high, so they were removed from the testing procedure, they were factored out. Once removed, and only glandular trichome heads were tested, ad THC was in relation only to all cannabinoids of course the percentage jumped, and it jumped tremendously. But it was not the result of super-strains being bred. It was because testing procedure changes were made.

I found a piece of breeder information recently that while it does not use the words old testing procedure and new testing procedure was still tested both ways the the results show exactly what I have said over and over again.

Strain: Afgan Kush
Breeder: World of Seeds
Location: indoor, outdoor
Type: indica
Flowering: ~50 days
Normal or female seeds.
Way of cropping: Mainly indoor/very good yield outdoor
Race: Pure race obtained from the Afgani Kush zone
Genotype: Almost 100% Indica
High: Less than 1.5 m indoor/ until 2 meters outdoor
Wide: Depending on prune. Some branched without prune
Growing time: Three weeks
Harvest time: 45-55 days indoor/average October outdoor/pollitano
Resistance to mushrooms: Average
Resistance to plague: Depends on the plague
Irrigation tolerance: High tolerance to frequent irrigation and fertilization
Yield: Over 400 gr per m2 indoor/ 500 - 600 gr per plant outdoor
Medicinal value: High (for its high content in CBD).Excellent like anti-emetic and antispasmodic
Smell: Hashish.
Flavor: Fruity-sweet.
Effects: Very narcotic, almost devastating

THC Level: 21.6% measured upon the rest of cannabinoids. 7.4% measured upon the rest of organic substances belonging to buds like: amino-acids, sugars, terpenoids, vegetal hormones, and cannabinoids (determined by gas chromatography coupled with mass spectrometry)

Do you see the difference in levels of THC for the very same strain? Do you see where the high percentage came when THC was compared to cannabinoids only? That is the test procedure that was gone to. Did you see what was factored in when the low THC percentage was given? "measured upon the rest of organic substances belonging to buds like: amino-acids, sugars, terpenoids, vegetal hormones, and cannabinoids" The difference is all the; " organic substances belonging to buds like: amino-acids, sugars, terpenoids, vegetal hormones" were included in what was the old testing procedure, and the results dropped the exact same strains THC percentage from 21.6% all the way down to 7.4%.

The difference between the two different tests is exactly what I was told by my cousin's friend, the DEA agent, that he said was really what was responsible for what appeared to be a massive increase in THC percentages due to modern breeding by professional breeders.

He also said that most pot tested in the 60's and 70's were large shipments of commercial grade that were confiscated, sometimes without a bust being made because an 18-wheeler was located or a large plot of plants would be found with no one around to bust, and that it would normally be stored for as much as a year or more before testing. It would be in government warehouses or under large open sided sheds on government land or in open fields of government land with tarps spread over it, much of the time exposed to light and or heat which we all know causes THC degradation and that resulted in even lower percentages of THC levels when tested.

He told me that after I asked him what he thought about the modern strains being so much more potent. When I asked the first thing he did was laugh like mad and said that it is all smoke and mirrors. He also said it likely saved the DEA, or at least much of it, because pot was becoming more accepted and with the low reported THC percentages it was seen as being a soft drug and there was talk in the government of legalization or at least national decriminalization and with it would have come funding cuts for the DEA and loss of jobs for the DEA. He said the test procedure changes allowed the DEA, and those in government who were totally against herb, to claim that new super strains were being developed and that they could not be seen as being the soft drug of the past and were sure to be gateways to other types of drugs that were well known to be not only dangerous but also deadly at times.

It turned out to be a major propaganda tool for the DEA and those in government that totally opposed pot. If not for the altering of the testing of pot it might have become legal many years back, or at least decriminalized on a national level.

Pot today is not really more potent, it is just different. To someone of my era who smoked strains that were pure sativas that were uplifting and energetic and made people creative and made you want to get up and do virtually anything when they smoke something that puts them on their asses for hours like old folks home versions of Beavis and Butthead it will seem like it is more potent even though it is not and too many it will not be what they like. They don't want to sit and stare at the Weather Channel for hours, they want to hit the golf course and laugh up a storm and do something and have fun doing it.

That is the true difference between old and newer strains. Not actual true higher levels of THC, but instead the difference in ones like Kush strains and other heavy indica strains that make you stoned instead of high.

And even with the modern test procedure there are still two different ways of testing and reporting cannabinoid levels and of course breeders choose to use the one that makes their strains appear to be more potent.

Here are the results of Super Lemon Haze when tested using both the calculated active cannabinoid level test and the relative ratios cannabinoid test procedures, which both are different from the old 60's and 70's tests.

Calculated Active Cannabinoids

CBD:
0.63%

CBN:
0.27%

THC:
23.98%

CBC:
0%

THCV:
0%

Relative Ratio Cannabinoids

CBD:
0.25

CBN:
0.11

THC:
9.64

CBC:
0

THCV:
0

Did you happen to notice a difference in the percentage of THC for the same strain tested by the same lab?

People, you have been tricked, you have been sold a bill of goods and nothing more when it comes to the fable of old strains being very low in levels of THC and modern strains being super strains that are very high in levels of THC. A Siegfried and Roy act has been performed before your very eyes but rather than flying a white tiger THC levels have been flown past you and none of you have seen the wires and springs and trap doors etc. and you have all been impressed by an illusion.

It sounds like you and Brick Top agree... the CC winners are NOT the best strains in the world.. just a gimmick to make $$$. And its GREAT marketing/ publicity. Just dont think when you order your Tangerine Dream seeds your getting the best bud in the world.. because your not.

Like I said, in the past, in the 90's you could pretty much trust a Cup winner to be top shelf. Then up until about 2002 you could still trust a fair number of them to be petty good and even up to about 2005 or 2006 there were a few that were standouts and did win my merit, but the rest were the result of marketing and lobbying and since then I would not have any faith whatsoever of Cup winners actually being much better than average strains that at most have some uniqueness to them and nothing more.

My local clubs sell clones of 15 different strains $10 each or $5 for 5+. My next run is going to be Skywalker OG, Pre-98 Bubba x OG and La Conf.....mmmm! For $200 i can get 40 plants already rooted! No male/female bullshit!

If I could find the same sort of deal for TRUE Panama Red, Colombian Gold, Dalat, Acapulco Gold, Malawi Gold, Durban Poison and a few others it would give this old dude wood, I would have some true teak or mahogany going at the thought of that ... but I just can't get all excited over Beavis and Butthead strains.

True sativas rule.
Indicas make you drool.

Maik · Jan 27, 2011

Jack Herer is bomb but 26 per seed is just too much.

If you're getting bad tasting OG Kush then the grower must have been fucking shitty. Sorry to hear about that.

Bricktop, I like your selection of landrace strains. The Columbian strains are unforgettable.

RawBudzski · Jan 27, 2011

1st off your an IDIOT. a strain is only as good as its grower regardless. So kick rocks, If your in SoCal. Maybe hit up the Inland Empire where the Real bud is

Esteban Sanchez said:
I do understand the judging process of the Cannabis Cup. But, I smoked Tangerine Dream, Jack Herer and few winning strains.... They are just Ok. Is High Times Biased towards certain breeders??

I dont find these strains to be anywhere near the best i have smoked...

Why? Have these OG Kush amazingly bomb strains from California not made it to the Cannabis Cup testing???

Brick Top · Jan 27, 2011

RawBudzski said:
a strain is only as good as its grower

That really is true. Many people say genetics are everything ... heck, I used to say it too, but in reality genetics are only about 50% of the final results.

Top genetics only guarantee one single thing, the opportunity to have top grade herb IF AND ONLY IF you provide optimal or near optimal growing conditions and growing environment and IF you do everything right every step of the way.

If someone does not do that they will not get everything out of the genetics they grow that the genetics are capable of providing them with. Growing is sort of like taking a test. For ever error your test score drops, and everything that is done when growing that is not 'up to snuff' means your final results drop, the quality achieved is lessened.

I always chuckle at people I talk with who grow or from reading messages when they describe their setup and a particular grow and their setup is some Rube Goldberg ghetto grow slapped together system that is totally lacking and they used low grade soil and crummy nutes and they grew in terrible conditions and the things they say they did and the problems they encountered tells you that there is no way under the sun that they tickled out of the genetics they grew all that could be had ... but because the breeder information said the strain has 20%, or whatever, level of THC they go on and on about how what they are smoking is 20%, or whatever, in THC ... when it is likely about 12% or less due to their setup, low quality materials used and inexperience, or just a lack of ever learning true facts even if they have grown for some period of time, and how in many cases they harvested early or late due to not understanding trichome development and knowing when peak potency has been reached.

From the many, many hours my cat has spent sitting and watching me tend my plants over the last ten years I almost believe that he might have learned enough that he could out grow many people who believe they know what they are doing and believe they are cranking out high quality herb, that being based on the various things I have seen people say and claim.

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