Can you use HPS throughout the entire grow

dimebong

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I got a 400w hps lamp, ballast, ect... for an amazing price of $70 ($57USD) and was just researching about mh conversion bulbs until i saw some guys post saying he saw absolutely no difference between growing with hps all the way through, and using a mh for veging. He was actually complaining about wasting his money. My brother hasn't even heard of people using different spectrum's and he's been growing for years. This is going to be for personal use and buying cfls is just going to set me back another $100. What are the negative effects going to be if i grow it only with hps?
 

The Growery

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absolutely you can. some would argue that growth is more vigorous than T5 and CFLs. only downside is your electric bills will be higher than using T5s and CFLs. It's easier to light bleach your plants with HPSs but that's easily solved by monitoring canopy temperatures and making sure you light is not too close to your plants.
 

Rrog

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Yes you sure can. It's also true about the light bleaching potential. Even when cool
 

grandpa 1949

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I do it also when I run out of smoke.
I grow white widow.
You can go from cfl's to hps and get a small w/w plant with 6 to 8" buds,
I don't do it all the time. But I hear that you can.
Good luck!
 

GanjaGod420000

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U can, and I think u should use both HPS AND MH throughout the entire grow... I use a lil more MH during veg than HPS, and I use a lil more HPS then MH during flowering, but, I always have both at all times... I have it timed so my HPS's come on first, like sunrise, and then a few hours later, the MH comes on and also goes off, about three hours before the off period begins, like sunset... I think it is most beneficial to the plants to receive both HID spectrums for the duration of a grow... Also, if u have a HPS, u dont NEED "MH conversion" lamps, as HPS ballasts will safely fire and run MH lamps of the same rated wattage... The conversion lamps only emit a fraction of each spectrum also... But, it doesn't work in reverse- like if u have a MH ballast, it will NOT fire or run a HPS lamp of the same rated wattage, because HPS's require a starter to ignite, and MH's do not... If u ONLY use HPS, even with conversion, or dual-arc lamps, u will be lacking much of the white and blue ends of the visable spectrum, which r great for keeping internodal spacing closer together, more rapid vegetative growth, and the UV-B that MH's emit also causes more THC-production, in that it is the plant's natural response to UV-B to produce more trichomes... I have always had very good luck in germinating my seeds (and getting above 65% of them to be females), and growing them out under MH-rich lighting, and have also heard people who do this sometimes report gettting more females from their seeds than the textbook 50/50 ratio-although, I'm on the fence with that one... But, it certainly doesn't hurt to have the added canopy penetration of MH's to reach and "bring out" lower growth, as well... If u r using HID's of any type, 1-you probably aren't as concerned in the added costs of using these instead of flourescents of any type, and 2- As long as it's all under 2,000W or so, the increase in power bills is usually, and in my case, not very noticable, at all... So, why not?
 

MysticMorris

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Yes a 400w defo ok for whole cycle in my experiences. Only I find its cheaper and easier in the long run to use CFL for the first 3-4 weeks of growth. I mean one year on you will have saved money on having to run the 400w and replacing it's bulb more often.
 

Rrog

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I've looked into this a couple times, asking on different forums and reading whatever data might be offered. I'm a pretty retentive guy, and if I thought there was an advantage to using both through the whole grow I would. I don't think there's a downside, but also don't think there's an upside to using MH in flower, at least to justify a second lamp, hood exhaust, etc. I also don't think there's a disadvantage to using HPS during veg, although I've always used a blue hort lamp and now using Ushio's (recommend)
 

smoking12345

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I use a 400w hps and 4 30w cfl lamps at 6500k. This is working well for me. I have just changed the timer to 12/12 and 2 of the bulbs to 2700k. Il change the other 2 next week. Im new to growing indoor but have grown outdoor for around 6 years. So adding cfl of the daylight spectrum will be enough blue light for the veg period, in my opinion and is cheap. I only have 2 plants.
 

GanjaGod420000

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Those two look beautiful! I can only assume this is the result of a lovely mixed spectrum of HID's... Mine r all really bushy, with multiple top colas each, as can be seen on my current album in my profile... Only mine r a bit larger, as they r in 5-gallon bucket...I always use supplemental CO2 in veg and flower, along with a 400W MH, a 250W MH, and two 250W HP's for veg, and a 400W MH, and three 250W HPS's for flowering... Yers look great man...
yes u can...................
 

Rrog

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Couple thoughts:

When asked, I found most growers did not find that MH helped keep internodal spacing down much differently than HPS.

MH doesn't put out much UV-b if any. UV-b is 280-315nm. Metal Halide lamps get down to about 350.

The sex of a seed is genetic, and while environmental pressures may cause a male plant to behave as a female, it's still a male.
 

GanjaGod420000

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This is true. It will totally suffice and save a bit of money in the long run... But you still cant get the lumens up there like u could with a MH incl with the HPS is all... As long as you can keep temps down well enough, and can afford the fractional differences in power costs, then "good enough" doesn't have to be the case... "Better than necessary" is what I shoot for in my set up, which is not to take anything away from those who use CFL's and HPS's, at all... This is totally fine for indoor growing, and in some cases, where heat, and costs are issues, it is ideal...
I use a 400w hps and 4 30w cfl lamps at 6500k. This is working well for me. I have just changed the timer to 12/12 and 2 of the bulbs to 2700k. Il change the other 2 next week. Im new to growing indoor but have grown outdoor for around 6 years. So adding cfl of the daylight spectrum will be enough blue light for the veg period, in my opinion and is cheap. I only have 2 plants.
 

GanjaGod420000

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Sure, but sometimes environmental factors do affect the outcome of even sex... If environs can change females to herm's, or males to behave as females, then it would be logical in thinking that using MH for germing seeds could increase the liklihood of it turning out to be a female... Only a thought, not a scientific statment... I can only go on what I have experienced in my own grows over the last 7 years, since I made the switch to HID's from H.O. and V.H.O. T-5's and 8's of different k values... And MH does emit UV-B, or at least my Fluke light meter says it is present with mine. Whatever the output, I have ran "test" gardens before with Mh for veg only, and HPS for flower only, and then with both during each, with the same strains and conditions, and the trichome production was definately increased in the mixed one... Just as I have run other "test" gardens with and without supp. CO2, and the results were bigger buds and more luch and rapid growth in the one with supp CO2...
Couple thoughts:

When asked, I found most growers did not find that MH helped keep internodal spacing down much differently than HPS.

MH doesn't put out much UV-b if any. UV-b is 280-315nm. Metal Halide lamps get down to about 350.

The sex of a seed is genetic, and while environmental pressures may cause a male plant to behave as a female, it's still a male.
 

HighLowGrow

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I used my 400 hps all the through. Like others said watch the distance between light and plants. Yep, they're bleached. This was a Pineapple Express.
 

GanjaGod420000

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Man, I just watched that movie AGAIN last night... I really do want to get ahold of some of those beans, along with some for Strawb. Cough, Tang. Dream, Vortex, Jillybean, Satori, NYC Diesel, AK-47, Trainwreck, and some of that Purple Wreck... I sure do hope my state, or one around me gets a med. bill passed soon, so I can order some of these gems, without fear of reprisal from the pigs... I'm pretty happy with my current line-up, but man, all I can do is drool when I gaze upon the seed catalogs, and ads in H.T..... One-a these daze, one-a these daze.... ;-)
 

Rrog

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UV-b is 280-315. I'm sure it's possible there's some very small dip toward 320 or so, but it can't be much. I happen to be a believer in UV-b and start supplementing it as soon as they are a week old from seed. I use a specific UV-b reptile bulb.

Full respect for your observations and thoughts. Truly. However I would not subscribe to MH offering an environmental pressure sufficient to force the plant to transgender. Keep in mind that a MJ plant is either male or female, with XX and XY chromosomes.
 

GanjaGod420000

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So, that light color on your tops is due to "bleaching", from only using HPS? I've never seen that before... If it were yellow, I'd say it would be a N-def, but I just can't say that with these... They don't look bad, or anything, just different...
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I used my 400 hps all the through. Like others said watch the distance between light and plants. Yep, they're bleached. This was a Pineapple Express.
 

Jogro

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I got a 400w hps lamp, ballast, ect... for an amazing price of $70 ($57USD) and was just researching about mh conversion bulbs until i saw some guys post saying he saw absolutely no difference between growing with hps all the way through, and using a mh for veging. He was actually complaining about wasting his money. My brother hasn't even heard of people using different spectrum's and he's been growing for years. This is going to be for personal use and buying cfls is just going to set me back another $100. What are the negative effects going to be if i grow it only with hps?
You **DEFINITELY** can use JUST HPS your entire grow with excellent results.

Plenty of people grow this way, and in fact, some people think it is the BEST way to grow.

For what its worth, Ed Rosenthal, former cultivation editor of High Times, and author of multiple books on growing cannabis has claimed that contrary to popular misconception, there is NO ADVANTAGE to growing vegetatively under metal halide then switching later to HPS as many growers do.

That said, one reason why you might choose to use other lighting during your grow is just because when your plants are small, there is no need to run the same kind of light as when they are big and flowering. For example, you can germinate your seedlings and grow them to a few inches tall under simple small CFL lighting. Not only will you save some energy that way from not running your HPS, but you'll also not have to deal with cooling it too.
 

Rrog

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Light bleaching. I just went through this myself. New Ushio bulb.

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After I raised the lamp, the rest of the leaf growth resumed as green
 

GanjaGod420000

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Absolutely. It is for sure a diocedous plant species, like several others... I believe a seed is either a female or a male from the word go... Ive just seen better results when a MH is used... I would fully subscribe to using a separate UV-B reptile lamp however, and my be going to purchase on this weekend...
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UV-b is 280-315. I'm sure it's possible there's some very small dip toward 320 or so, but it can't be much. I happen to be a believer in UV-b and start supplementing it as soon as they are a week old from seed. I use a specific UV-b reptile bulb.

Full respect for your observations and thoughts. Truly. However I would not subscribe to MH offering an environmental pressure sufficient to force the plant to transgender. Keep in mind that a MJ plant is either male or female, with XX and XY chromosomes.
 
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