Can I start a grow (photoperiod) with a bad light

RookieHaze

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My growing tent is full, and my strongest light is located in that tent. The plant inside the tent are all autos. I really wanna try a photoperiod. Never grew those before. So I picked up some blue zushi, and was wondering if I can grow it under a cheap plurble light, it says its 100watts, but there is no way its that strong, more like 70watts. Can I keep the photoperiod under those light until my autos are finished and just keeping it in veg for 2months, or is that to long?
 

medidedicated

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Im sure people will say no but my veg plants dont require much at all. Maybe 70w for a 3x3 veg space. However if they dont get enough light and need it, it can produce crazy wonky results minimal growth over long time and minimal root mass. So it does need light dont get me wrong.

Hell I flower with 28w aci supplimental bar lights for mini clones testing new strains. I did lots of ill lit grows.
 

RookieHaze

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Im sure people will say no but my veg plants dont require much at all. Maybe 70w for a 3x3 veg space. However if they dont get enough light and need it, it can produce crazy wonky results minimal growth over long time and minimal root mass. So it does need light dont get me wrong.

Hell I flower with 28w aci supplimental bar lights for mini clones testing new strains. I did lots of ill lit grows.
I just used this light once. It was amnesia haze in 10l pot. Got 85grams dry weight. So it’s usable to some degree I suppose
 

medidedicated

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2 months gives me clones ready to fill out a 2.5x2.5 per clone footprint. Just a thought, I get bad results pruning back over and over. At some point shortly before 8wks it grows faster than can prune. Makes branches stiff and funny looking raising height of plant unless you maticulously prune them not to on almost daily basis.

My tents are really tall too so I get pretty big plants like 6-8oz plants. Its just a pain trying to grow backwards, they like to grow in one straight shot. People flower old moms all the time its just not easy for a first timer and new strain.
 

Fatjoe

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With good not so expensive lamps out there on the market ya should consider an upgrade.

Growing under minimal light can be done. Just get closer. Works fine in veg but you definitely won't get all the plant has to offer.
 

Delps8

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My growing tent is full, and my strongest light is located in that tent. The plant inside the tent are all autos. I really wanna try a photoperiod. Never grew those before. So I picked up some blue zushi, and was wondering if I can grow it under a cheap plurble light, it says its 100watts, but there is no way its that strong, more like 70watts. Can I keep the photoperiod under those light until my autos are finished and just keeping it in veg for 2months, or is that to long?
The superb Vipar XS 1500 Pro is available for $90.

The purpose of the vegetative stage is to allow the plant to build its "infrastructure". If the plant doesn't get much light, it is impossible for it to grow the roots, branches, and leaves that will result in anything but a mediocre crop.

Cannabis is a light whore loves light. It will survive in as little as 64µmol but yield increases in an almost linear manner to the amount of light, it's hard to argue that spending $50 on a low quality, low output light is a good move. I'd really encourage you to get more bang for your buck and go with the Vipar.
 

medidedicated

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Id be careful about upping lights, I just got the ks3000 and wtf is it good for if its on 50% so far 3 wks in flower lol. My ill lit veg plants recieve my mars hydro ts1000s with open arms full brightness day 1. I like the vipar being less known to have scarey malfunctions but yea my plants seem to like 700ppfd and little less around edges.

Waste of $320 IMO could of just hung anything else for like 150w and be happy.
 

Built

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My growing tent is full, and my strongest light is located in that tent. The plant inside the tent are all autos. I really wanna try a photoperiod. Never grew those before. So I picked up some blue zushi, and was wondering if I can grow it under a cheap plurble light, it says its 100watts, but there is no way its that strong, more like 70watts. Can I keep the photoperiod under those light until my autos are finished and just keeping it in veg for 2months, or is that to long?
Personally id say go for it, give a crack, let us know how you go, its always interesting to see what people can achieve using as little as possible, its always great to have the best equipment for best results but mistakes can be made even with the best equipment, test yourself!
 

.Smoke

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Id be careful about upping lights, I just got the ks3000 and wtf is it good for if its on 50% so far 3 wks in flower lol. My ill lit veg plants recieve my mars hydro ts1000s with open arms full brightness day 1. I like the vipar being less known to have scarey malfunctions but yea my plants seem to like 700ppfd and little less around edges.

Waste of $320 IMO could of just hung anything else for like 150w and be happy.
What do you have the ks3000 in?
I got one a few weeks back and it's just enough @ 100% in a 3x3 on the par meter. Could honestly use another 50w or so if you're wanting to push more than 800ppfd.
 

Built

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My growing tent is full, and my strongest light is located in that tent. The plant inside the tent are all autos. I really wanna try a photoperiod. Never grew those before. So I picked up some blue zushi, and was wondering if I can grow it under a cheap plurble light, it says its 100watts, but there is no way its that strong, more like 70watts. Can I keep the photoperiod under those light until my autos are finished and just keeping it in veg for 2months, or is that to long?
I just bought this thing to help out throughout the winter, no idea how its gunna go but it should be good for some suplimentary lighting, and great for early stages at least
 

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coreywebster

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The thing with those blurples is they do actually veg pretty well
Most of the complaints came in flower because they're underlit.

The morphology of plants under them is generally fairly good in veg.
 

medidedicated

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What do you have the ks3000 in?
I got one a few weeks back and it's just enough @ 100% in a 3x3 on the par meter. Could honestly use another 50w or so if you're wanting to push more than 800ppfd.
A 3x3 24” or more high and grew 13 clones to harvest same pheno and they just dont act like this. Somethings up with the light in my situation Im trying to ask on my own thread what the deal is on that. Fried them got bright orange calcium def spots everywhere and losing color in leafs between the veins.

My clones go from like 250ppfd or just under 300ppfd and go right under my mars hydro ts1000 in a 2.5x2.5’ foot print per clone max power like 700ppfd all around if I had to guess and 600 in the edges.

Crazy that I look at my 2.5x5 and 3x3 youd think the 3x3 is half the size but its almost the same size BUT only 3” wider all around than the 2.5x2.5 footprint. I think a ts1000 or the equivelent of a vipar of 150w would of done just fine. Just grow a slightly larger plant or utilize the space for better ventilation/circulation.

Why it has to be 320w just for the extra 3” is beyond me. I still went with it but looks like my shotty ways of coming to conclusion on things turned out to be right. It does sometimes. Its 3 square foot smaller than a 2.5x5 looks are decieving.
 

driver77

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A 3x3 24” or more high and grew 13 clones to harvest same pheno and they just dont act like this. Somethings up with the light in my situation Im trying to ask on my own thread what the deal is on that. Fried them got bright orange calcium def spots everywhere and losing color in leafs between the veins.

My clones go from like 250ppfd or just under 300ppfd and go right under my mars hydro ts1000 in a 2.5x2.5’ foot print per clone max power like 700ppfd all around if I had to guess and 600 in the edges.

Crazy that I look at my 2.5x5 and 3x3 youd think the 3x3 is half the size but its almost the same size BUT only 3” wider all around than the 2.5x2.5 footprint. I think a ts1000 or the equivelent of a vipar of 150w would of done just fine. Just grow a slightly larger plant or utilize the space for better ventilation/circulation.

Why it has to be 320w just for the extra 3” is beyond me. I still went with it but looks like my shotty ways of coming to conclusion on things turned out to be right. It does sometimes. Its 3 square foot smaller than a 2.5x5 looks are decieving.
The more dialed in your grow is the harder you can push the light. I run a little over 300w in my 3x3....a SF se5000 at 60% or a little over. The nice thing about an overpowered light is you can run it at less than 100% to extend it's life.
 

Delps8

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The more dialed in your grow is the harder you can push the light. I run a little over 300w in my 3x3....a SF se5000 at 60% or a little over. The nice thing about an overpowered light is you can run it at less than 100% to extend it's life.
And you can raise the light to 18" or more and still get 1kµmol on your canopy and still keep the temperature at the canopy level <78°.

That's the whole trick - getting lots of light on the canopy while keeping temperature of the tops of the buds <78°.

Almost any modern grow light will get 1kµmol onto a canopy. Some lights will be at 8" hang height and have an uneven PPFD maps, but you can get a lot of light on a canopy for cheap.

The trick is to get an even PPFD map + have to PPF to be able to get the light bars high enough above the canopy to keep temps down.

Per Mitch Westmoreland, below, once the flower tops hit 78° (or less, depending on the strain), cannabanoids are lost. I grow at high light levels (>1100 for photos and 80±mols for autos) and have had some very high yields but I let my temps stay in the low 80's in flower. The crops have been superb but the kick wasn't there. The culprit, I firmly believe, was that the temps were too high.

So, don't turn the PPFD down (unless your grow can't handle it and, if that happens, fix your grow) but crank up the wattage and the hang height in flower.

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Just took light readings for my two Gorilla Glue plants in my 2' x 4' tent. Hang height is about 10". Temps at canopy range from 72-75.

The highlighted values are left front, center front, right front readings. I was interested to document the difference in PPFD when the flaps on the tent were open vs closed. The other readings vary because of the inherent error in reading PPFD manually but the ∆ of almost 100µmol (on average) is noteworthy.

The other issue - cannabis loves light. The more light you give it, the more food it generates for itself, and the bigger it will grow with no change in potency (up to the light saturation point).

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