Can I cob cure buds I harvested three weeks ago?

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Forage

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I had a hydrometer issue. I thought I was just down to 58% RH in the curing can but it turns out I'm actually closer to 68%.

I just found out about cob curing two days ago and corn is on sale at the local grocery store. It'd be a fun day if I bought the corn, dried the husks, wrapped the cobs, and made some chowder.

Does age matter, or will anything 65% RH and over cure up fine in cob form?
 
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only done a tiny bit of cobbing but moisture is absolutely the deciding factor, and contrary to popular belief you can remoisten dry old bud and cob it just fine. Early this year a buddy gave me some old buds he had jarred a little too moist over 2 years ago. Not moldy but they definitely had a nasty scent and a harsh smoke that was not in any way worth toking, and dry as a bone by the time it got to me. Even just a bit of burping helped it out but remoisturizing and cobbing it for just one night instantly smoothed out the smoke, so much so it was worth smoking again. Didn't do much for the taste and I couldn't call it potent but it made schwag into serviceable bud so no complaints from me
 
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One thing you could do is throw some fresh shade leaves in until you reach your desired rh. Op said 68% which is in the window. I like 75%.
 
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fskitch said:
One thing you could do is throw some fresh shade leaves in until you reach your desired rh. Op said 68% which is in the window. I like 75%.
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Shoot, I wasn't getting notifications that people were still posting on here.

So I solved the humidity problem (maybe) by cobbing them up with fairly fresh corn husks. I dried for a little bit in a 140°F oven for a few hours, but they weren't very dry. I got some minor drops of water after the first 12 hours but they reabsorbed later so I didn't open the vacuum pack when I dropped to 30°C (sorry for the mixed units, but ml/gal is common here so all bets are off).

This could be a huge thing for me because for some reason my weed is always harsh and I think I just suck at drying/curing.
 
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Zephyrs said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't that basically how a Thai stick is made?
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fskitch said:
Not really. The method above is based on the Malawi Cob.
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Yes really. At least, so I've heard. I heard once of an article in a spanish edition of high times (from this post here on ICmag) where the reporter hung out with some thai(?) monks(?) who showed him their style of putting big ol "thai" sticks inside of clay pots that they then seal (perhaps with a bubble hash type substance, the poster speculated) and then placed on top of coals for a period of time. This would certainly impart a cob style cure. I have also heard of thai people stuffing bud (and also tea leaves!) inside of bamboo shoots that they seal and bury. See the "edible pickled tea" section under this wiki article on Fermented Tea for a description of the process. Note "pressed", "anaerobic", "fermented", etc, and how the fermenting process makes an edible end product. Positively a cob cure. Also interesting is this article on compressed tea, a similar product.

The idea that Malawi invented fermentation style curing or are the only ones to have practiced it is simply a myth started because a Malawian (Tangwena) is the one who has helped popularize, refine, and spread the knowledge of this style of cure in modern times via the net, and naturally he spoke from his own experiences in Malawi. So therefore people assume that's where it all comes from. In china people used to "cob" tea leaves into coins that they used as currency! Hash coins anyone? They beat Ricky by a couple hundred years that's for sure. Not to mention the VERY similar curing styles for tobacco known as Perrique and Black Cavendish, which are compressed and aged. Watch these old farts on yt (don't know how to do embeds sorry) roll up a cob of perique before most of us ever knew what cobbing was: How To Make A Perique
 
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FermentFred said:
Yes really. At least, so I've heard. I heard once of an article in a spanish edition of high times (from this post here on ICmag) where the reporter hung out with some thai(?) monks(?) who showed him their style of putting big ol "thai" sticks inside of clay pots that they then seal (perhaps with a bubble hash type substance, the poster speculated) and then placed on top of coals for a period of time. This would certainly impart a cob style cure. I have also heard of thai people stuffing bud (and also tea leaves!) inside of bamboo shoots that they seal and bury. See the "edible pickled tea" section under this wiki article on Fermented Tea for a description of the process. Note "pressed", "anaerobic", "fermented", etc, and how the fermenting process makes an edible end product. Positively a cob cure. Also interesting is this article on compressed tea, a similar product.

The idea that Malawi invented fermentation style curing or are the only ones to have practiced it is simply a myth started because a Malawian (Tangwena) is the one who has helped popularize, refine, and spread the knowledge of this style of cure in modern times via the net, and naturally he spoke from his own experiences in Malawi. So therefore people assume that's where it all comes from. In china people used to "cob" tea leaves into coins that they used as currency! Hash coins anyone? They beat Ricky by a couple hundred years that's for sure. Not to mention the VERY similar curing styles for tobacco known as Perrique and Black Cavendish, which are compressed and aged. Watch these old farts on yt (don't know how to do embeds sorry) roll up a cob of perique before most of us ever knew what cobbing was: How To Make A Perique
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FermentFred said:
in any case, it's pretty likely thai stick was fermented, much like cob, and possibly even doused with evaporated and condensated hash oil bongsmilie Just sayin.
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You seem knowledgeable. Perhaps you can explain the process for evaporating oil. Condensated hash oil sounds interesting too. Never heard of it. Will it make my RSO stronger?
 
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I think anytime weed got compressed while still somewhat damp, as most of it was back in the day, you had some element of fermentation, or at least the conditionsfor it to occur. We don't have that with the modern dry and cure of beautiful buds. Curious if it adds something to the experience.
 
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HGCC said:
I think anytime weed got compressed while still somewhat damp, as most of it was back in the day, you had some element of fermentation, or at least the conditionsfor it to occur. We don't have that with the modern dry and cure of beautiful buds. Curious if it adds something to the experience.
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Yes it does. High last longer. Takes less to do the job. Brings out the psychedelic in sativas. Makes indicas stonier. Tons of info If you want to google on how Malawi cobs were made many years ago. Also lots of info on Thai sticks and how they were made back in the day. Much different process than Malawi style.
Fermentation occurred with lots of weed because of bricking, stacking, pressure and moisture during shipping. Malawi was deliberate.
white widow on the left, gelato on the right and some oil waiting to be ‘condensated’.
 

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Yep, agreed. Mostly I am curious if it changes the high, brick weed had often gotten me higher than what is "good" by modern standards. Made some cobs before but am still not sure and am in the research portion. Heavily after some shit that will make me giggle, that hasn't happened in a long time. Not sure if it's just tolerance and being old vs smoking as a younger fellow or if the fermentation does some mysterious thing to change it.

In a few weeks I am going to see how my cob compares to a bit processed in the normal jar and cure style.

I think I need to pack it up even wetter, get more of the fermentation going on.
 
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I don’t use corn husks. I take a seal a meal bag and cram an ounce of 75%rh bud to the bottom of the bag, kinda roll it a bit for shape, vacuum it and set it in the food dehydrator for 24h at about 130* Open and let dry to touch, reseal and throw behind the cable box for 2-3 months where the temp is a constant 80* That’s it.
Back in high school (1975) I recall a Jamaican strain we called laughing weed. It gave the giggles to everyone. Mexican Michoacán is also responsible for much laughter.
 
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Yeah I keep trying various Mexicans (lol, that sounds funny) as most of the weed was Mexican when I was younger, no dice.
 
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fskitch said:
You seem knowledgeable. Perhaps you can explain the process for evaporating oil. Condensated hash oil sounds interesting too. Never heard of it. Will it make my RSO stronger?
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Honestly I don't have a clue, that IC mag post is about the most I've heard of it. That dude seems like a mad scientist. I don't think vaping/condensing neccessarily makes hash oil stronger, is your oil rig reclaim stronger than the hash you put in it? but it probably decarbs it.

I think the main idea is the bottom of the jug was warm enough to vape the oil but the top is cool enough for it to condense. The bud dries out of water moisture which gets replaced by hash oil, which that ICmag poster just figured he could spray the hash oil right back on the bud for the same thing iirc. That way your bud is "moist" but with hash oil instead of water. No clue how viable it is but a trippy idea nonetheless
 
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