Can certain terpenes "cancel" other terpenes?

tstick

Well-Known Member
I was just reading an article about "opposite smells" and found it interesting to think about in terms of explaining why there are no new strains that reeeeeaaalllly stink anymore. I was wondering if the inclusion of all the different strains that are used for hybrids, might have so many different terpenes, that some of them are, for lack of a better word, "canceling" each other and making the overall odor diminished. Here, check it out if you're interested:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-noise-smell-nose_n_6083612#:~:text=Watson Research Center in New,they cancel each other out.
 

conor c

Well-Known Member
I was just reading an article about "opposite smells" and found it interesting to think about in terms of explaining why there are no new strains that reeeeeaaalllly stink anymore. I was wondering if the inclusion of all the different strains that are used for hybrids, might have so many different terpenes, that some of them are, for lack of a better word, "canceling" each other and making the overall odor diminished. Here, check it out if you're interested:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-noise-smell-nose_n_6083612#:~:text=Watson Research Center in New,they cancel each other out.
Maybe like for example pine type stuff helps to underline and bring out berry type stuff so whats more likely is one terp dominates more than cancels out the other id say but who knows could be a thing with some of em
 

Phytoplankton

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After reading the article, I don't think it applies to competing terpenes. It was more about masking or overwhelming the sensory input of smell. The article has some problems, it doesn't say if the masking compounds are natural or synthetic. Highly unlikely that the plant would produce both the smell and the masking smell.
 

GuruBeGone

Member
That's not why modern weed sucks.

The waveforms of aroma have indeed been catalogued. It doesn't work by shape. You'd have to cancel its vibrations with an exact waveform 180 out of phase. Show one example where 2 identical smells go out of phase. Usually they add together and increase amplitude, like 100% of the time. The question is, which molecules are canceling out weed aroma, that look exactly like weed aroma but with the polarity reversed. The use of the term 'white noise' instead of 'standing wave' indicates this is likely troll/joke science. Someone call Eric Weinstein, we've found another April fools post of his.

Different smells have different detection thresholds. You can't override a low detection molecule with a high detection molecule. The opposite is true though. Which is why natural weed doesn't smell anything like pinene, myrcene, terpinolene, limonene etc even though they are present in large amounts [due to bad breeding dominating the scene].

Modern Cannabis sucks because the breeders and nutrient companies both are clueless about the plant, all high-school dropouts with bad weed and a preference for pills, who refuse to consult with real specialists yet wanted to make a name for themselves in a shitty little community of drug dealer egos that no one cares about.

Therefor all growers who follow that train of thought are lost by default. If you learned to grow weed on the internet, that's why your weed sucks. I've talked with big celebrity growers across the country. Their bud all sucks. The emerald cup was a shock. Just like the chili cook off. Bland ass shit produced by casuals with no skill set, but a hook up on cheap sticker printing and towel embroidery.

I can and will right now teach you more about Cannabis in one sentence than the entire guru-laden cannabis community could in a lifetime:

If you know what pennies or blood smells like; you're wrong, because they have no volatile aroma.


^ There you go. Now you have the solution. If you graduated high school without cheating, you can now breed and grow good weed. It's only high school dropouts who think you can put botanically derived perfumes on shitty weed to make it taste like good weed. Or that myrcene magically turns into skunk when you unlock the right mantra.

Today's homework: Find out why humans know what something smells like, that has no smell. There is no penny/blood "terpene" . There is no rust "terpene". But you can tell rust and pennies apart by smell. Why?

OK.. We know potheads can't use Google, and half of them cannot even legitimately smell.. It's the lipids in your nose being oxidized by the metal ions. That's how you know that blood tastes like pennies. No ion-catalyzed lipid break down, no penny/rust/metal aroma.


How does this relate to Cannabis? Aside from trace metal deficiency being the obvious, the Cannabis 25 years ago was grown for lipids, and the flavors were released via lipid oxidation. The clouds were thick enough to hot box a van, unlike today. The nutrients were formulated to produce fatty acids and break them down into carboxylic acids, not carboxylic esters. Many fertilizers includes heavy metals to induce antioxidant thiol production. Today's plant produce pigments as anti oxidants, not volatiles.

Most modern Cannabis smells like esters. The ester of the Cheese acid is fruity. So when the weed is all fruity instead of cheesey (unless it's moldy and been sprayed with BT) you should know what the problem is. Because we all learned in 6th grade science class how carboxylic acids are converted into esters. It's basic organic chemistry. Unfortunately the weed scene is currently dominated by charlatans like Athena, who have not a damn clue about growing plants.

Back in my day people's brains either worked and they had input, or their brain didn't work so they had no input. Now the spectators are laughing at the circus of idiot freaks on youtube.. There were no fake terp experts with podcasts back then. No method for the useless words of the brainless to thrive and spread like a virus. We knew to ignore the weed magazines when they tried talking "grow tek". Just show us the pictures. Biggest threads in any cannabis breeding forum will be "which seed should I pop?" and "here's a picture of a seed I grew". You think bigger better discussions are happening in this industry but they aren't. Today everyone's a terp expert and most smokers are making shit up to feel they are a part of something that they feel is important. Hitler would've rounded up all the people who lie about smell had he actually been interested in improving the gene pool. I wish he would have. My career would've been alot easier if the majority of unevolved pot smoking humans did not make up things about smell, just to feel like a real human.


Today, we have fake terpene experts who can't tell Asshole terps from Afghan terps, putting indole in their fake terp stew and claiming indole is what makes weed "gassy". All I see is incompetent drug dealing frauds repurposing their meth lab to spray perfume on shitty weed, and attempting to redefine what "gassy" means, all while pretending to be flavor experts who grow amazing weed. Putting indole in shitty fungicide-sprayed hydroponic distillate so you get those gas indole terps brah.. That's not how it works, brah. It's never how it worked, dude. This is the shit we did with our sisters perfume when we were five, mixing them together, playing make believe terpene tech lol.

It's absurd how no one in the Cannabis industry has a basic grasp on how it works. Before I could get hired to grow weed for [REDACTED] I had to identify the smell of literally everything that could come in contact with in the plant. I can identify the smell of every organic acid and their esters. Every amino acid and its derivatives. I can smell the metabolic cues for nutrient deficiencies long before any visual indicator or sap report. This is going to be required basic knowledge to grow this plant in the future. I'm lobbying against letting potheads grow pot. None of them are competent. None of them can produce a consistent marketable product in the same grow week after week let alone in multiple different grows.

Dudes be wondering why there bud sucks.. Go rub the stems at the top of the plant. If you smell 2-butoxyethanol, you know what the problem is. If you smell raw sulfur you know what the problem is. If you smell deep frier, leather, or hash when you should be smelling the strain specific flavor, you know what the problem is. It's just that no one knows,but one company that has no interest in sharing the DEA approved state grows.

There is no excuse like "different phenotypes bro" in any other industry. It's the FRAUDS pushing the "everything goes" and "trust big pharma" and "pretty hydro trash" cannabis models.

It's just that all your gurus don't know a fucking thing, and have brought the entire scene down to their gw pharma propagandized mental state of accepting dirty useless mids across an entire country wide industry. The data is proprietary to one giant company who will be the biggest producer of Cannabis worldwide. I don't even think anyone can compete because the competition is still fucking around with high tech limonene injection syringes and controlled myrcene gas infusions. I just smelled bud produced legally in Oregon with grape big league terps sprayed on it. Potheads don't even seem to care what the hell they smoke in 2024. This shit was never about medicine to most legal consumers, because all the weed they've smoked has been garbage grade.

Modern Cannabis is a joke because the weed growing experts of today are frauds. The "terpene experts" are literal morons, fucking around with people's lungs. Weed used to be flavored with edible candy oils, who the fuck ever came up with this floor cleaner vape terpene bullshit needs to be hung.
 

DeadHeadX

Well-Known Member
That's not why modern weed sucks.

The waveforms of aroma have indeed been catalogued. It doesn't work by shape. You'd have to cancel its vibrations with an exact waveform 180 out of phase. Show one example where 2 identical smells go out of phase. Usually they add together and increase amplitude, like 100% of the time. The question is, which molecules are canceling out weed aroma, that look exactly like weed aroma but with the polarity reversed. The use of the term 'white noise' instead of 'standing wave' indicates this is likely troll/joke science. Someone call Eric Weinstein, we've found another April fools post of his.

Different smells have different detection thresholds. You can't override a low detection molecule with a high detection molecule. The opposite is true though. Which is why natural weed doesn't smell anything like pinene, myrcene, terpinolene, limonene etc even though they are present in large amounts [due to bad breeding dominating the scene].

Modern Cannabis sucks because the breeders and nutrient companies both are clueless about the plant, all high-school dropouts with bad weed and a preference for pills, who refuse to consult with real specialists yet wanted to make a name for themselves in a shitty little community of drug dealer egos that no one cares about.

Therefor all growers who follow that train of thought are lost by default. If you learned to grow weed on the internet, that's why your weed sucks. I've talked with big celebrity growers across the country. Their bud all sucks. The emerald cup was a shock. Just like the chili cook off. Bland ass shit produced by casuals with no skill set, but a hook up on cheap sticker printing and towel embroidery.

I can and will right now teach you more about Cannabis in one sentence than the entire guru-laden cannabis community could in a lifetime:

If you know what pennies or blood smells like; you're wrong, because they have no volatile aroma.


^ There you go. Now you have the solution. If you graduated high school without cheating, you can now breed and grow good weed. It's only high school dropouts who think you can put botanically derived perfumes on shitty weed to make it taste like good weed. Or that myrcene magically turns into skunk when you unlock the right mantra.

Today's homework: Find out why humans know what something smells like, that has no smell. There is no penny/blood "terpene" . There is no rust "terpene". But you can tell rust and pennies apart by smell. Why?

OK.. We know potheads can't use Google, and half of them cannot even legitimately smell.. It's the lipids in your nose being oxidized by the metal ions. That's how you know that blood tastes like pennies. No ion-catalyzed lipid break down, no penny/rust/metal aroma.


How does this relate to Cannabis? Aside from trace metal deficiency being the obvious, the Cannabis 25 years ago was grown for lipids, and the flavors were released via lipid oxidation. The clouds were thick enough to hot box a van, unlike today. The nutrients were formulated to produce fatty acids and break them down into carboxylic acids, not carboxylic esters. Many fertilizers includes heavy metals to induce antioxidant thiol production. Today's plant produce pigments as anti oxidants, not volatiles.

Most modern Cannabis smells like esters. The ester of the Cheese acid is fruity. So when the weed is all fruity instead of cheesey (unless it's moldy and been sprayed with BT) you should know what the problem is. Because we all learned in 6th grade science class how carboxylic acids are converted into esters. It's basic organic chemistry. Unfortunately the weed scene is currently dominated by charlatans like Athena, who have not a damn clue about growing plants.

Back in my day people's brains either worked and they had input, or their brain didn't work so they had no input. Now the spectators are laughing at the circus of idiot freaks on youtube.. There were no fake terp experts with podcasts back then. No method for the useless words of the brainless to thrive and spread like a virus. We knew to ignore the weed magazines when they tried talking "grow tek". Just show us the pictures. Biggest threads in any cannabis breeding forum will be "which seed should I pop?" and "here's a picture of a seed I grew". You think bigger better discussions are happening in this industry but they aren't. Today everyone's a terp expert and most smokers are making shit up to feel they are a part of something that they feel is important. Hitler would've rounded up all the people who lie about smell had he actually been interested in improving the gene pool. I wish he would have. My career would've been alot easier if the majority of unevolved pot smoking humans did not make up things about smell, just to feel like a real human.


Today, we have fake terpene experts who can't tell Asshole terps from Afghan terps, putting indole in their fake terp stew and claiming indole is what makes weed "gassy". All I see is incompetent drug dealing frauds repurposing their meth lab to spray perfume on shitty weed, and attempting to redefine what "gassy" means, all while pretending to be flavor experts who grow amazing weed. Putting indole in shitty fungicide-sprayed hydroponic distillate so you get those gas indole terps brah.. That's not how it works, brah. It's never how it worked, dude. This is the shit we did with our sisters perfume when we were five, mixing them together, playing make believe terpene tech lol.

It's absurd how no one in the Cannabis industry has a basic grasp on how it works. Before I could get hired to grow weed for [REDACTED] I had to identify the smell of literally everything that could come in contact with in the plant. I can identify the smell of every organic acid and their esters. Every amino acid and its derivatives. I can smell the metabolic cues for nutrient deficiencies long before any visual indicator or sap report. This is going to be required basic knowledge to grow this plant in the future. I'm lobbying against letting potheads grow pot. None of them are competent. None of them can produce a consistent marketable product in the same grow week after week let alone in multiple different grows.

Dudes be wondering why there bud sucks.. Go rub the stems at the top of the plant. If you smell 2-butoxyethanol, you know what the problem is. If you smell raw sulfur you know what the problem is. If you smell deep frier, leather, or hash when you should be smelling the strain specific flavor, you know what the problem is. It's just that no one knows,but one company that has no interest in sharing the DEA approved state grows.

There is no excuse like "different phenotypes bro" in any other industry. It's the FRAUDS pushing the "everything goes" and "trust big pharma" and "pretty hydro trash" cannabis models.

It's just that all your gurus don't know a fucking thing, and have brought the entire scene down to their gw pharma propagandized mental state of accepting dirty useless mids across an entire country wide industry. The data is proprietary to one giant company who will be the biggest producer of Cannabis worldwide. I don't even think anyone can compete because the competition is still fucking around with high tech limonene injection syringes and controlled myrcene gas infusions. I just smelled bud produced legally in Oregon with grape big league terps sprayed on it. Potheads don't even seem to care what the hell they smoke in 2024. This shit was never about medicine to most legal consumers, because all the weed they've smoked has been garbage grade.

Modern Cannabis is a joke because the weed growing experts of today are frauds. The "terpene experts" are literal morons, fucking around with people's lungs. Weed used to be flavored with edible candy oils, who the fuck ever came up with this floor cleaner vape terpene bullshit needs to be hung.
Huh? Lotta words there. In a few: as a smoker for over four decades, I disagree with most of what you say here about modern weed sucking. Maybe you’ve just been smoking bad shit? Good day to you though.
 

conor c

Well-Known Member
Can't say I've ever smelled blood, or pennies, but I've tasted both. They don't taste similar ime though.
I have more cow blood than anything but peoples can smell too if theres alot of it and its in an enclosed space it reeks once its kinda dry trust me when your covered in it it smells so idk why this guy used that as a frame of reference lol as for taste there bloods saltier than ours unfortunately i know that from experience as well
 

madvillian420

Well-Known Member
Modern Cannabis is a joke because the weed growing experts of today are frauds. The "terpene experts" are literal morons, fucking around with people's lungs. Weed used to be flavored with edible candy oils, who the fuck ever came up with this floor cleaner vape terpene bullshit needs to be hung.
Ive been around a lot of growers. Peeped big warehouse operations and some corporate ones too. Ive never seen or heard of someone ACTUALLY spraying terpenes...or anything actually... on their flower after harvest. Candy oils? huh?

Gassy/skunky, grape, lemon, lime, strawberry, pine, berry, bubblegum, flowers, perfume, etc are all smells and tastes that cannabis can naturally produce, ive seen it, grown it and smoked it. Big league chew? ive had bud that smelled like it also but i know the grower so suspicion of added sprays is nonexistent. Are you suggesting this message board is full of folks secretly spraying shit on their buds? I'd smack the living shit out of anyone who sold me bud they sprayed with literally anything. I associate with folks that pride themselves on growing as clean of a product as they can. Organic everything, RO water, their plants have a stricter diet than most world athletes.

Adding cannabis derived terpenes to vape carts is another story, and i agree thats trash.

Also the language police are in full force on these boards, suggesting who Hitler "should have rounded up" is almost never a good idea here lol.
 
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tstick

Well-Known Member
That's not why modern weed sucks.

The waveforms of aroma have indeed been catalogued. It doesn't work by shape. You'd have to cancel its vibrations with an exact waveform 180 out of phase. Show one example where 2 identical smells go out of phase. Usually they add together and increase amplitude, like 100% of the time. The question is, which molecules are canceling out weed aroma, that look exactly like weed aroma but with the polarity reversed. The use of the term 'white noise' instead of 'standing wave' indicates this is likely troll/joke science. Someone call Eric Weinstein, we've found another April fools post of his.

Different smells have different detection thresholds. You can't override a low detection molecule with a high detection molecule. The opposite is true though. Which is why natural weed doesn't smell anything like pinene, myrcene, terpinolene, limonene etc even though they are present in large amounts [due to bad breeding dominating the scene].

Modern Cannabis sucks because the breeders and nutrient companies both are clueless about the plant, all high-school dropouts with bad weed and a preference for pills, who refuse to consult with real specialists yet wanted to make a name for themselves in a shitty little community of drug dealer egos that no one cares about.

Therefor all growers who follow that train of thought are lost by default. If you learned to grow weed on the internet, that's why your weed sucks. I've talked with big celebrity growers across the country. Their bud all sucks. The emerald cup was a shock. Just like the chili cook off. Bland ass shit produced by casuals with no skill set, but a hook up on cheap sticker printing and towel embroidery.

I can and will right now teach you more about Cannabis in one sentence than the entire guru-laden cannabis community could in a lifetime:

If you know what pennies or blood smells like; you're wrong, because they have no volatile aroma.


^ There you go. Now you have the solution. If you graduated high school without cheating, you can now breed and grow good weed. It's only high school dropouts who think you can put botanically derived perfumes on shitty weed to make it taste like good weed. Or that myrcene magically turns into skunk when you unlock the right mantra.

Today's homework: Find out why humans know what something smells like, that has no smell. There is no penny/blood "terpene" . There is no rust "terpene". But you can tell rust and pennies apart by smell. Why?

OK.. We know potheads can't use Google, and half of them cannot even legitimately smell.. It's the lipids in your nose being oxidized by the metal ions. That's how you know that blood tastes like pennies. No ion-catalyzed lipid break down, no penny/rust/metal aroma.


How does this relate to Cannabis? Aside from trace metal deficiency being the obvious, the Cannabis 25 years ago was grown for lipids, and the flavors were released via lipid oxidation. The clouds were thick enough to hot box a van, unlike today. The nutrients were formulated to produce fatty acids and break them down into carboxylic acids, not carboxylic esters. Many fertilizers includes heavy metals to induce antioxidant thiol production. Today's plant produce pigments as anti oxidants, not volatiles.

Most modern Cannabis smells like esters. The ester of the Cheese acid is fruity. So when the weed is all fruity instead of cheesey (unless it's moldy and been sprayed with BT) you should know what the problem is. Because we all learned in 6th grade science class how carboxylic acids are converted into esters. It's basic organic chemistry. Unfortunately the weed scene is currently dominated by charlatans like Athena, who have not a damn clue about growing plants.

Back in my day people's brains either worked and they had input, or their brain didn't work so they had no input. Now the spectators are laughing at the circus of idiot freaks on youtube.. There were no fake terp experts with podcasts back then. No method for the useless words of the brainless to thrive and spread like a virus. We knew to ignore the weed magazines when they tried talking "grow tek". Just show us the pictures. Biggest threads in any cannabis breeding forum will be "which seed should I pop?" and "here's a picture of a seed I grew". You think bigger better discussions are happening in this industry but they aren't. Today everyone's a terp expert and most smokers are making shit up to feel they are a part of something that they feel is important. Hitler would've rounded up all the people who lie about smell had he actually been interested in improving the gene pool. I wish he would have. My career would've been alot easier if the majority of unevolved pot smoking humans did not make up things about smell, just to feel like a real human.


Today, we have fake terpene experts who can't tell Asshole terps from Afghan terps, putting indole in their fake terp stew and claiming indole is what makes weed "gassy". All I see is incompetent drug dealing frauds repurposing their meth lab to spray perfume on shitty weed, and attempting to redefine what "gassy" means, all while pretending to be flavor experts who grow amazing weed. Putting indole in shitty fungicide-sprayed hydroponic distillate so you get those gas indole terps brah.. That's not how it works, brah. It's never how it worked, dude. This is the shit we did with our sisters perfume when we were five, mixing them together, playing make believe terpene tech lol.

It's absurd how no one in the Cannabis industry has a basic grasp on how it works. Before I could get hired to grow weed for [REDACTED] I had to identify the smell of literally everything that could come in contact with in the plant. I can identify the smell of every organic acid and their esters. Every amino acid and its derivatives. I can smell the metabolic cues for nutrient deficiencies long before any visual indicator or sap report. This is going to be required basic knowledge to grow this plant in the future. I'm lobbying against letting potheads grow pot. None of them are competent. None of them can produce a consistent marketable product in the same grow week after week let alone in multiple different grows.

Dudes be wondering why there bud sucks.. Go rub the stems at the top of the plant. If you smell 2-butoxyethanol, you know what the problem is. If you smell raw sulfur you know what the problem is. If you smell deep frier, leather, or hash when you should be smelling the strain specific flavor, you know what the problem is. It's just that no one knows,but one company that has no interest in sharing the DEA approved state grows.

There is no excuse like "different phenotypes bro" in any other industry. It's the FRAUDS pushing the "everything goes" and "trust big pharma" and "pretty hydro trash" cannabis models.

It's just that all your gurus don't know a fucking thing, and have brought the entire scene down to their gw pharma propagandized mental state of accepting dirty useless mids across an entire country wide industry. The data is proprietary to one giant company who will be the biggest producer of Cannabis worldwide. I don't even think anyone can compete because the competition is still fucking around with high tech limonene injection syringes and controlled myrcene gas infusions. I just smelled bud produced legally in Oregon with grape big league terps sprayed on it. Potheads don't even seem to care what the hell they smoke in 2024. This shit was never about medicine to most legal consumers, because all the weed they've smoked has been garbage grade.

Modern Cannabis is a joke because the weed growing experts of today are frauds. The "terpene experts" are literal morons, fucking around with people's lungs. Weed used to be flavored with edible candy oils, who the fuck ever came up with this floor cleaner vape terpene bullshit needs to be hung.
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crimsonecho

Well-Known Member
That's not why modern weed sucks.

The waveforms of aroma have indeed been catalogued. It doesn't work by shape. You'd have to cancel its vibrations with an exact waveform 180 out of phase. Show one example where 2 identical smells go out of phase. Usually they add together and increase amplitude, like 100% of the time. The question is, which molecules are canceling out weed aroma, that look exactly like weed aroma but with the polarity reversed. The use of the term 'white noise' instead of 'standing wave' indicates this is likely troll/joke science. Someone call Eric Weinstein, we've found another April fools post of his.

Different smells have different detection thresholds. You can't override a low detection molecule with a high detection molecule. The opposite is true though. Which is why natural weed doesn't smell anything like pinene, myrcene, terpinolene, limonene etc even though they are present in large amounts [due to bad breeding dominating the scene].

Modern Cannabis sucks because the breeders and nutrient companies both are clueless about the plant, all high-school dropouts with bad weed and a preference for pills, who refuse to consult with real specialists yet wanted to make a name for themselves in a shitty little community of drug dealer egos that no one cares about.

Therefor all growers who follow that train of thought are lost by default. If you learned to grow weed on the internet, that's why your weed sucks. I've talked with big celebrity growers across the country. Their bud all sucks. The emerald cup was a shock. Just like the chili cook off. Bland ass shit produced by casuals with no skill set, but a hook up on cheap sticker printing and towel embroidery.

I can and will right now teach you more about Cannabis in one sentence than the entire guru-laden cannabis community could in a lifetime:

If you know what pennies or blood smells like; you're wrong, because they have no volatile aroma.


^ There you go. Now you have the solution. If you graduated high school without cheating, you can now breed and grow good weed. It's only high school dropouts who think you can put botanically derived perfumes on shitty weed to make it taste like good weed. Or that myrcene magically turns into skunk when you unlock the right mantra.

Today's homework: Find out why humans know what something smells like, that has no smell. There is no penny/blood "terpene" . There is no rust "terpene". But you can tell rust and pennies apart by smell. Why?

OK.. We know potheads can't use Google, and half of them cannot even legitimately smell.. It's the lipids in your nose being oxidized by the metal ions. That's how you know that blood tastes like pennies. No ion-catalyzed lipid break down, no penny/rust/metal aroma.


How does this relate to Cannabis? Aside from trace metal deficiency being the obvious, the Cannabis 25 years ago was grown for lipids, and the flavors were released via lipid oxidation. The clouds were thick enough to hot box a van, unlike today. The nutrients were formulated to produce fatty acids and break them down into carboxylic acids, not carboxylic esters. Many fertilizers includes heavy metals to induce antioxidant thiol production. Today's plant produce pigments as anti oxidants, not volatiles.

Most modern Cannabis smells like esters. The ester of the Cheese acid is fruity. So when the weed is all fruity instead of cheesey (unless it's moldy and been sprayed with BT) you should know what the problem is. Because we all learned in 6th grade science class how carboxylic acids are converted into esters. It's basic organic chemistry. Unfortunately the weed scene is currently dominated by charlatans like Athena, who have not a damn clue about growing plants.

Back in my day people's brains either worked and they had input, or their brain didn't work so they had no input. Now the spectators are laughing at the circus of idiot freaks on youtube.. There were no fake terp experts with podcasts back then. No method for the useless words of the brainless to thrive and spread like a virus. We knew to ignore the weed magazines when they tried talking "grow tek". Just show us the pictures. Biggest threads in any cannabis breeding forum will be "which seed should I pop?" and "here's a picture of a seed I grew". You think bigger better discussions are happening in this industry but they aren't. Today everyone's a terp expert and most smokers are making shit up to feel they are a part of something that they feel is important. Hitler would've rounded up all the people who lie about smell had he actually been interested in improving the gene pool. I wish he would have. My career would've been alot easier if the majority of unevolved pot smoking humans did not make up things about smell, just to feel like a real human.


Today, we have fake terpene experts who can't tell Asshole terps from Afghan terps, putting indole in their fake terp stew and claiming indole is what makes weed "gassy". All I see is incompetent drug dealing frauds repurposing their meth lab to spray perfume on shitty weed, and attempting to redefine what "gassy" means, all while pretending to be flavor experts who grow amazing weed. Putting indole in shitty fungicide-sprayed hydroponic distillate so you get those gas indole terps brah.. That's not how it works, brah. It's never how it worked, dude. This is the shit we did with our sisters perfume when we were five, mixing them together, playing make believe terpene tech lol.

It's absurd how no one in the Cannabis industry has a basic grasp on how it works. Before I could get hired to grow weed for [REDACTED] I had to identify the smell of literally everything that could come in contact with in the plant. I can identify the smell of every organic acid and their esters. Every amino acid and its derivatives. I can smell the metabolic cues for nutrient deficiencies long before any visual indicator or sap report. This is going to be required basic knowledge to grow this plant in the future. I'm lobbying against letting potheads grow pot. None of them are competent. None of them can produce a consistent marketable product in the same grow week after week let alone in multiple different grows.

Dudes be wondering why there bud sucks.. Go rub the stems at the top of the plant. If you smell 2-butoxyethanol, you know what the problem is. If you smell raw sulfur you know what the problem is. If you smell deep frier, leather, or hash when you should be smelling the strain specific flavor, you know what the problem is. It's just that no one knows,but one company that has no interest in sharing the DEA approved state grows.

There is no excuse like "different phenotypes bro" in any other industry. It's the FRAUDS pushing the "everything goes" and "trust big pharma" and "pretty hydro trash" cannabis models.

It's just that all your gurus don't know a fucking thing, and have brought the entire scene down to their gw pharma propagandized mental state of accepting dirty useless mids across an entire country wide industry. The data is proprietary to one giant company who will be the biggest producer of Cannabis worldwide. I don't even think anyone can compete because the competition is still fucking around with high tech limonene injection syringes and controlled myrcene gas infusions. I just smelled bud produced legally in Oregon with grape big league terps sprayed on it. Potheads don't even seem to care what the hell they smoke in 2024. This shit was never about medicine to most legal consumers, because all the weed they've smoked has been garbage grade.

Modern Cannabis is a joke because the weed growing experts of today are frauds. The "terpene experts" are literal morons, fucking around with people's lungs. Weed used to be flavored with edible candy oils, who the fuck ever came up with this floor cleaner vape terpene bullshit needs to be hung.
sorry man not reading that
 

tstick

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I guess MY point was to suggest that there might be specific compounds in complex hybrids that might "neutralize" the smells of other compounds.....And maybe the inclusion of all the strains in the world used to make more and more complex hybrids, nowadays, has created "contradictory" smells.
 
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