Can anyone help me with some root-pics?

Of freshly rooted healthy seedlings and clones in soil/rockwool?

I've fought a losing battle against fusarium for a few years now, but by now I thought it ok to start up again in a new location after a long break.

So, I got some cuttings from a friend last tuesday, and today the first ones are showing roots.

The problem is that I think they're thin, and not so fuzzy as they should be and as I remember that they were for healthy plants. And this is unfortunately a typical initial symptom in my oh so vast experience with the fungal disease from hell...

So I'm afraid the fucking shit is still with me.

I would VERY much appreciate to see some pics of the roots of freshly rooted healthy cuttings and seedlings for comparison, I'm scared to death here.

So any help, pics links or whatever, is HIGHLY appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

This help? Can you take any pictures of your roots?

is that black lid is a cloner? the rockwool looks soaked to me. you having any rooting or fungus problems. sorry just wondering. just had bad luck with rockwool the way you seem to be using it. never had a problem with a areo cloner with just the neoprene bushing

It's a diy bubble cloner thing... from another member on another site Just trying to get healthy root pictures of clones...

Thanks a LOT purplehazin - again. I clone in soil, so the water-roots are not a good comparison really, sorry should have mentioned it in the first post.

But your second pic gives me some hope...

I'm used to and expects to see roots like this, thick and uniformly fuzzy with healthy mycorrizae:

http://cannabis.community.forums.ozstoners.com/uploads/1139567032/gallery_7091_80_84668.jpg

But the roots my clones are sprouting now is much thinner, and resembles the roots of the sick seedlings I've had since this shit started...

And they look more like your soil/perlite roots than the ones in the linked pic... So I just might be ok after all...?

It is winter and snow here and thus not any natural airborne healthy mycorrizal fungi, do you think a fresh grow needs to get colonised by exposure before expressing the roots in the pic? Roots of the kind I'm used to seeing in healthy plants that is?

And yes, give it a couple of days until they're a bit more developed, and I'll post a pic of my roots.

Thanks again purplehazin, you have no idea how much I appreciate help and feedback with this shit...

And yes, for sick seedlings the taproot/roots starts out slow, thin, and with scrawny looking mycorrizae. Then in a few days they turn partially translucent in places, before browning and rotting back. Constantly forcing the plant to sprout new ones.

I CAN bring them to harvest if I nurture them a bit, Indicas are more resistant to it than hybrids, and the "yield" is perhaps 20-30% of that of healthy plants...

If conditions are good and they're carefully watered, the above-soil symptoms - besides a bit slow growth - do not usually get very pronounced until week 3-4 of flower, when they start dropping fan-leaves and gets increasingly sensitive to waterings and ferts...

I don't wish this shit on my worst enemy, I've been living a growers nightmare for 8 years now.

I can only imagine the frustration this fusarium has caused

It is winter and snow here and thus not any natural airborne healthy mycorrizal fungi, do you think a fresh grow needs to get colonised by exposure before expressing the roots in the pic? Roots of the kind I'm used to seeing in healthy plants that is?

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I'm quite stoned, what are you asking here? Sorry

Umm and English is a second language to me, hehe, I'll try again...

The thick and fuzzy roots seen in the linked pic are obviously well-colonised with healthy mycorrizal fungi.

Since it is winter and snow in my location now, I was just thinking that my clones may not express roots like the ones in the pic, before mycorrizal fungi naturally gets a chance to colonize them by airborne spores come spring - and/or in some time?

Did you get it?

I get it now

That would make sense about the roots not having fungi because of winter and colder temps. Give it a few more days and then let's take a look at the roots.

It's back.

Thoroughly confirmed by a very slow rooting process in general, the slow and reluctant development of both roots and foliage, and the root-structure and mycorrizae itself. Seen it too many times to remember now...

My inevitable conclusion now after 8! years of this fucking hell, is that it infects local herbs and plants outdoors, for an everlasting cycle and supply of fresh spores to the growrooms. And given it's extremely infectious nature once it is present in an environment, it can thus be considered unbeatable.

So for any others diagnosing their plants with fusarium, my best bet would be that it simply is the end of your days as a grower...

Unless you want to abandon your home and all of your belongings, and move naked of course. Then you might have a chance against it.

Put it in the archive and store it purplehazin. My sad experience with this just might help another poor fucker not to spend years and tens of thousands of dollars fighting it - for absolutely no reason.

hampster out.

lol .........................

I'm a fist time grower. And I think I have an alright set up going. I have a 400w HPS lamp. And I got my clones from a guy who was growing them under a normal house hold light bulb. And I think this might have stunt the groth of the two plants. They are almost 8 weeks old and they are only about 6 inches tall and the stim isant that thick but they have a good amount of leaves on them. I was just wondering if I should just start over with new plant or if I should just keep growing them.
Oh ya and I'm using power plants nutes