Can anyone have their extracts tested for purity?

MikeGanja

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Occasionally I read about people on RIU that have their extracts tested for purity or for residual solvents. Are there companies willing to perform tests of material that are sent to them from outside legal states or is it only possible if I am a licensed grower inside USA? Im not a US citizen so the laws are not clear to me.
 
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Fadedawg

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Occasionally I read about people on RIU that have their extracts tested for purity or for residual solvents. Are there companies willing to perform tests of material that are sent to them from outside legal states or is it only possible if I am a licensed grower inside USA? Im not a US citizen so the laws are not clear to me.
Crossing borders or state lines brings the feds into the picture, and they consider cannabis Schedule 1, and to even conspire to do so, a Rico offense.

I recommend licensed accredited labs, and they would be unlikely to be willing to gamble their license for chump change.

We ended up buying our own used GC when resources were limited and expensive, which is another option to look at. I bought it and then immediately leased it out, keeping our use at the cost of consumables.
 

MikeGanja

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I will stop searching for test labs in USA it's not worth the risk.

Perhaps there are labs within EU. Netherlands have a few test labs but they can not test extracts since "THC oils" is illegal. I did however find test kits as well as test labs but unfortunately they offer only TLC.

A GC would be interesting to own in the future if I can afford it.
 

Fadedawg

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I will stop searching for test labs in USA it's not worth the risk.

Perhaps there are labs within EU. Netherlands have a few test labs but they can not test extracts since "THC oils" is illegal. I did however find test kits as well as test labs but unfortunately they offer only TLC.

A GC would be interesting to own in the future if I can afford it.
Sometimes scheming helps. I was able to justify ours, by leasing it out after purchase, while retaining our rights to use it.
 

AutoNorCal

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You could always give a call to your local dispensary and talk to the management there they might have leads on companies that could test in the way you want.
 

gwpharms

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Have you thought about or tried thin layer chromatography? You would not get a neat looking pdf or print out showing exact percentages. You get something like this for you to decipher. downloadfile.png
Maybe not what your looking for but its a cheap easy do it yourself way to get an idea of what your making
 

MikeGanja

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Sometimes scheming helps. I was able to justify ours, by leasing it out after purchase, while retaining our rights to use it.
Sounds like a great idea. Business investment as well as a machine for research and quality control.
 

MikeGanja

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Have you thought about or tried thin layer chromatography? You would not get a neat looking pdf or print out showing exact percentages. You get something like this for you to decipher. View attachment 3919940
Maybe not what your looking for but its a cheap easy do it yourself way to get an idea of what your making
Actually, I have thought about it, but I read inconsistent information on whether it is useful for THC extractions or not. I understand that it's not meant to be used as a primary qualitative method as GLC but I was hoping that it would be able to tell how good or bad my extractions are relative to each other. That would help me a lot in my learning process. If you recomend TLC I am defenitely going to try it.

I googled TLC and found a few kits that was marketed as "THC test kit", I found them quite expensive. Would you advice me to buy one of the kits or should I opt for something else, like separate parts if I can find it? I am suspicious when something that looks very cheap is delivered in a expensive case like most of the kits.
 

gwpharms

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Yeah i have seen those as well. I think for your investment you can do several test and you get a tutorial on TLC. But you could put something together yourself certainly. Last chapter of good ol' zubrick will tell you how to make one. Either way Im sure you will learn some things and have fun experimenting.
Only down side is you won't get % numbers to look at and show off to all your friends. Just some dots for you to analyze. Your friends/paitents will just have to take your word for it.
 

Fadedawg

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Actually, I have thought about it, but I read inconsistent information on whether it is useful for THC extractions or not. I understand that it's not meant to be used as a primary qualitative method as GLC but I was hoping that it would be able to tell how good or bad my extractions are relative to each other. That would help me a lot in my learning process. If you recomend TLC I am defenitely going to try it.

I googled TLC and found a few kits that was marketed as "THC test kit", I found them quite expensive. Would you advice me to buy one of the kits or should I opt for something else, like separate parts if I can find it? I am suspicious when something that looks very cheap is delivered in a expensive case like most of the kits.
The issues are accuracy and capabilities.

Drawing on Occum's Razor, if the TLC kit were the answer to a maiden's prayer, they would be the coin of the realm, vis a vis GC/MS/HPLC. Even within the professional analytical lab community, there is currently much turmoil and legislation being enacted to standardize them.

A GC gives a general idea of what is going on, and a MS following it breaks its peaks down even farther, but they require standards of what they are searching for in their memories to compare the peaks and secondary peak combinations, and since it uses heat to vaporize the sample, it is incapable of discerning carboxylic acids.

That is where the HPLC comes in, which when followed with a MS, doesn't destroy the carboxylic acids with heat, so you can see both the carboxylic acid and phenolic diterpenoid forms of the cannabinoids.

Sooo, a bit of circumlocution to bring us to the point, which is before plunking down any money, I recommend that you get in writing, the kits accuracy and what it measures.

Besides cannabinoids, what solvents and pesticides does it test for??

Another good question is who is offering it? You are currently attempting to vet their product, but have you vetted them?
 

MikeGanja

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What you say sounds logic to me. My intention with the lab test was to get accurate information on any presence of residual solvents and the cannabinoid content. I just assumed that GLC or any other high tech technological method would do the job. I was hoping to send a few drops in a vial to a certified laboratory in USA. I appreciate that you informed me of the legal issues with that strategy. Cannabis is illegal in my country but I am much more worried about the feds and DEA than their collegues in my country.

Some of the test kits are marketed as an established method to test quantitated percentages within +- 2 %:
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The webpage explains it a little bit different:
“However, only technicians well trained with alpha-CAT’s kit method can obtain semi quantitative results by using the alpha-CAT cannabinoid rulers. Gas or Liquid chromatographic analysis need to be used to quantify precisely cannabinoids, and other important secondary active compounds present in Cannabis.”
http://www.alpha-cat.org/the-test/alpha-cat-cannabis-percentage-accuracy/


I find it a little bit dishonest to market the kit as method for the guy next door to get fairly accurate results within+-2 % when you need to be a well trained technician with access to a GLC to quantify. The TLC test would not give me any useful information on exact THC percentage.

Perhaps a TLC test can be an acceptable method to compare different extractions, I mean if one is better than the other. And I must admit it would be fun to do some experimenting and to learn stuff. But for the same price ($89-$6499 one can buy a lot of labglass so I think I’ll try some simple experiments with TLC. I will start with Zubrick as suggested.:)
 
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gwpharms

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Wow that t check sounds to good to be true. Probably is.
Looks like the other kit is just gloves plates and tubes. They dont even throw in a jar. I suppose the advantage would be the tutorial and templates to tell you what the dots possibly mean.
Either way it sounds like your only option is old fashioned chemistry until your country changes its laws and theres a dozen test facilities within 30 miles from home like i have here.
 
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