can anyone diagnose this mold/fungus?

greencropper · Jan 6, 2017

white mold has appeared in this upturned sod of compost/coco/perlite mix inground, wondering if anyone can formally identify this form of entity? this happened in spite of continual mycorrhizal/trichodermal treatments...issue first appeared after heavy rainfall, ive heard that floodwater can wash beneficials away and leave undesirable fungal/mold spores in its place, plants in these affected inground holes are dying/dead with nothing being able to save them, looking like i need to build high ring walls around each hole to deter rainwater runoff entering the grow areas

joegrowsmeds · Jan 6, 2017

is that soil cooking bro?

rickyrozayyy · Jan 6, 2017

That shit looks gross... next.

greencropper · Jan 8, 2017

joegrowsmeds said:
is that soil cooking bro?

i dunno, im starting to vaguely remember now that i had some pelletized chicken poop in an open bag that was left out in the rain...months later that bag of poop had a similar mold/fungas growing in it, i used that moldy poop as fertilizer in some of my inground plant beds, ive emptied the holes which had that moldy poop mixed in with it now, all plants died with that white mold, now all fresh poop added to blended coco/compost mix from hereon in + double dosing with mycorr/tricho treatments...glad its mid season so can soldier on with new hatchlings!...one mistake just cost lotsa $$$ damn!!!... :dunce:

joegrowsmeds · Jan 9, 2017

greencropper said:
i dunno, im starting to vaguely remember now that i had some pelletized chicken poop in an open bag that was left out in the rain...months later that bag of poop had a similar mold/fungas growing in it, i used that moldy poop as fertilizer in some of my inground plant beds, ive emptied the holes which had that moldy poop mixed in with it now, all plants died with that white mold, now all fresh poop added to blended coco/compost mix from hereon in + double dosing with mycorr/tricho treatments...glad its mid season so can soldier on with new hatchlings!...one mistake just cost lotsa $$$ damn!!!...

Hmm. Chicken poop? I'm pretty sure I've heard that's hot man. How much you usin?

greencropper · Jan 9, 2017

joegrowsmeds said:
Hmm. Chicken poop? I'm pretty sure I've heard that's hot man. How much you usin?

hi bro, im using 4 standard cups to 9 standard buckets of compost/coco/perlite mix, theres other holes in the ground that i didnt use the moldy poo but a new bag of fresh poop with the same ratios with no ill effects, im really thinking now the prob was the moldy chicken poop & not cooking off generated by ammonia in the poop, if you click on the pic i posted you will get a close view that its actually a mold

joegrowsmeds · Jan 9, 2017

greencropper said:
hi bro, im using 4 standard cups to 9 standard buckets of compost/coco/perlite mix, theres other holes in the ground that i didnt use the moldy poo but a new bag of fresh poop with the same ratios with no ill effects, im really thinking now the prob was the moldy chicken poop & not cooking off generated by ammonia in the poop, if you click on the pic i posted you will get a close view that its actually a mold

Oh cool beans man. Yeah saw the mold I just havent heard much about using chicken poop. Learn something everyday lol

chemphlegm · Jan 9, 2017

I'm not surprised to see fungus in your dirt, wash it under and carry on.

my·cor·rhi·za

a fungus that grows in association with the roots of a plant in a symbiotic or mildly pathogenic relationship.

Dr. Who · Jan 9, 2017

greencropper said:
white mold has appeared in this upturned sod of compost/coco/perlite mix inground, wondering if anyone can formally identify this form of entity? this happened in spite of continual mycorrhizal/trichodermal treatments...issue first appeared after heavy rainfall, ive heard that floodwater can wash beneficials away and leave undesirable fungal/mold spores in its place, plants in these affected inground holes are dying/dead with nothing being able to save them, looking like i need to build high ring walls around each hole to deter rainwater runoff entering the grow areas
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It is the mycelium of beneficial fungus - GOOD THING!

However, you do not have to "wash it under" or bury it!

Just let it alone till you have to turn the compost again.....

YOUR GOLDEN!

greencropper · Jan 9, 2017

Dr. Who said:
It is the mycelium of beneficial fungus - GOOD THING!

However, you do not have to "wash it under" or bury it!

Just let it alone till you have to turn the compost again.....

YOUR GOLDEN!

??? im not sure whats happening cos all the areas that have that white mold the plants roots went brown and died, yet areas without that white mold plants are thriving...in other words that white mold is deadly and not a friendly

Dr. Who · Jan 9, 2017

greencropper said:
??? im not sure whats happening cos all the areas that have that white mold the plants roots went brown and died, yet areas without that white mold plants are thriving...in other words that white mold is deadly and not a friendly

I need to read farther :wall:

.....I thought you were cooking soil!

It may not be that it's the fungal infection. Could be a bacteria too.
So you had a flood that brought in flowing water?
Chances are that the soil is shot for several years by a persistent bacteria or fungus.

It happens to many familiar crops like pickles and potato's to list a cpl quick like.

You're most likely done in that area!

Sorry

greencropper · Jan 9, 2017

Dr. Who said:
I need to read farther .....I thought you were cooking soil!

It may not be that it's the fungal infection. Could be a bacteria too.
So you had a flood that brought in flowing water?
Chances are that the soil is shot for several years by a persistent bacteria or fungus.

It happens to many familiar crops like pickles and potato's to list a cpl quick like.

You're most likely done in that area!

Sorry

exactly bro i feel like packing my bags to find virgin soil...tired of the disease syndromes present in this area...anyway will soldier on for a few more seasons here yet

GranolaCornhola · Jan 9, 2017

Yes, it is mycelium of some type of fungus. But just because it is growing in your soil does not mean it is either mycorhizzal or beneficial. Obviously it can be pathogenic soil fungus. I had a case of botrytis (grey mold) that killed about half of my plants overnight.

Can be next to impossible to stop as these spores are everywhere, can only try to minimize environmental conditions that favor these fungi. Of course tis is next to impossible outside. Sprayed the hell out of my remaining plants with copper solution which seemed to stop further infection of healthy plants.

GranolaCornhola · Jan 9, 2017

Also, rainwater cant wash away beneficials and leave pathogenic fungi in their place. But some pathos can easily outcompete your beneficials you inoculated your soil with, and use them as a great source of nutrition. You very well may have botrytis.

You say it is a "mold" but it looks like hyphae/mycelium colonizing the substrate. Do you see any spores/spots/conidia? If you touch it do you see spore release? What did your plants look like/what symptoms did/do they have before they died?

Dr. Who · Jan 10, 2017

GranolaCornhola said:
Also, rainwater cant wash away beneficials and leave pathogenic fungi in their place. But some pathos can easily outcompete your beneficials you inoculated your soil with, and use them as a great source of nutrition. You very well may have botrytis.

You say it is a "mold" but it looks like hyphae/mycelium colonizing the substrate. Do you see any spores/spots/conidia? If you touch it do you see spore release? What did your plants look like/what symptoms did/do they have before they died?

I already said it's a mycelium....Thing is, it may not be that's the culprit. Could be a bacterial soil infection too! No one person even said viral infection yet - like spotted leaf blight in tomato's. That's gotten HUGE in the US over the last few years...

Even if we see pics of the plant. if it's a soil borne problem. It's best to just find a new location to grow! It can take YEARS for soils to clean up......

GranolaCornhola · Jan 10, 2017

No way in hell would I wait years. I also doubt it is bacterial, if it took place immediately after a rain. Ever gone into the woods or looked into your barren yard one day, then after a rain, the very next day the gound is covered in a flush mushrooms.

What I would do is buy/grow some oyster mushroom spawn, inoculate woodchips. You can take these woodchips and put them in your compost pile. Bury some woodchips where your plants were infected and inoculate them also. Your compost pile would become one huge piece of substrate spawn.

Oysters are one of a few types of fungi that feast on bacteria, nematodes, and pathogenic fungi. They literally form microscopic traps and inflating lassos which snare and kill nematodes, which are vectors and can carry disease through your soil.

Also, once the oyster mycelium has colonized your soil, you will have plenty of edible mushrooms.

skinnieboi10 · Jan 21, 2017

@greencropper please can you tell how you feed your plants? Do you just plant them in your mix and keep watering till you harvest or do you add some kind of fertilizer to your water? Thanks

greencropper · Jan 21, 2017

skinnieboi10 said:
@greencropper please can you tell how you feed your plants? Do you just plant them in your mix and keep watering till you harvest or do you add some kind of fertilizer to your water? Thanks

hi, i add pelletized chicken manure & blood & bone mix to the amended soil, i think ive found the answer as mentioned above i left the pelletized open bag in the rain for some time, it got infected with a white mold, i did not think it would be bad for the plants, but very wrong on that issue, any areas with that white mold no plant can survive, ive ridded the infected areas of that soil/infected chicken poop & discarded the infected bag, be interesting now to see after ive added fresh soil to the previous infect areas whether the nasty tries to make a comeback, i will be double dosing those areas with mycorr/tricho formulas for the first 2mths of new plantings, will post here the results in 2-3mths

greencropper · Jan 21, 2017

GranolaCornhola said:
No way in hell would I wait years. I also doubt it is bacterial, if it took place immediately after a rain. Ever gone into the woods or looked into your barren yard one day, then after a rain, the very next day the gound is covered in a flush mushrooms.

What I would do is buy/grow some oyster mushroom spawn, inoculate woodchips. You can take these woodchips and put them in your compost pile. Bury some woodchips where your plants were infected and inoculate them also. Your compost pile would become one huge piece of substrate spawn.

Oysters are one of a few types of fungi that feast on bacteria, nematodes, and pathogenic fungi. They literally form microscopic traps and inflating lassos which snare and kill nematodes, which are vectors and can carry disease through your soil.

Also, once the oyster mycelium has colonized your soil, you will have plenty of edible mushrooms.

brother theres soil infections out there with no known cure, eg at the moment in QLD Australia there is a form of pythium that is decimating some areas, the government agri scientists are quarantining some infected farms for 30 years!...yes 30 YEARS! fighting the demons of the soil with methods you have advised is definitely worth trying & appreciated, as these pathogens can morph & constantly need amended treatments to try to keep them at bay!

greencropper · Jan 21, 2017

GranolaCornhola said:
Also, rainwater cant wash away beneficials and leave pathogenic fungi in their place. But some pathos can easily outcompete your beneficials you inoculated your soil with, and use them as a great source of nutrition. You very well may have botrytis.

You say it is a "mold" but it looks like hyphae/mycelium colonizing the substrate. Do you see any spores/spots/conidia? If you touch it do you see spore release? What did your plants look like/what symptoms did/do they have before they died?

appreciate your input man, im only learning about these various pathogens, rainwater flooding may have very negative effects as mentioned in these excerpts, the plants just went very pale & wilted & died within 1 week, roots were very brownish color, i didnt look very closely at the mold growth, it appears just as in the original pics i posted, pic can be clicked on for a magnified view if required

can anyone diagnose this mold/fungus?

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