can a caregiver claim compensation for services rendered.

grazinChocolope

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Hi im a legal caregiver and thw laws states that a caregiver can recieve compensation for services rendered. But here my big question...we all know how the feds feel. If i have bank records recording deposits for my bills. Can i claim that money. My accountant last yr told me to keep receipts from all transactions and keep or have bank statements to verify that i have money coming in and show that i have money going out via bills.
Im looking for some one who has knowledge on this. Even the irs website says u can claim money made under the table so to speak . Just wondering what i should do?
 

cephalopod

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Seek an attorney, I would have to say hell no, but what do I know. I'm afraid it's one of those issues that will have to be worked out in the courts, at the cost of jon q public, unless something gives or all ready has. Last I knew, I thought there was talk of bills to address this issue, but I'm unclear on any details.
 

cephalopod

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U.S. House OKs bill that may open door to bank accounts for pot shops
By David Migoya
The Denver Post

POSTED: 07/16/2014 02:39:00 PM MDT6 COMMENTS| UPDATED: 6 MONTHS AGO
The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday passed by 39 votes a measure that bars treasury and securities regulators from spending money to penalize financial institutions that work with legal marijuana businesses.

But they did so without exactly saying banks could openly, and without worry, work with the industry — what banks have asked for in writing — and without decriminalizing the drug at the federal level.

In a separate vote, the House rejected a measure that would have blocked federal guidance given to banks in February for how to work with the marijuana industry — a road map that's all but frozen financial institutions from providing the services because it lacks guarantees against being penalized.

The amendment the House approved to appropriations bill House Resolution 5016 — co-sponsored by Rep. Ed Perlmutter, D-Lakewood, and three other representatives — takes aim at the Department of the Treasury's oversight of banks by narrowing the scope of earlier directives the agency gave for banking with the marijuana trade.

It was approved 231-192. The defeated amendment, proposed by Louisiana Republican Rep. John Fleming Jr., lost 236-186.

With Rep. Denny Heck, D-Wash., offering the amendment, Perlmutter's co-sponsors included Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., and Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.

Perlmutter called the appropriations-bill amendment "a positive step forward for financial institutions and for legitimate marijuana businesses."

"It is not fair to small businesses and employees in Colorado, and in the 33 other states and District of Columbia, where some form of marijuana is legal or decriminalized, to be forced out of the banking system and discriminated against by the federal government," Perlmutter said in a statement.

Industry proponents hailed the measures as groundbreaking, while bankers offered a more conservative opinion.

"This is a huge step forward for the legal cannabis industry," said Aaron Smith, executive director of the National Cannabis Industry Association. "Access to basic banking services is one of the most critical challenges facing legal cannabis businesses and the state agencies tasked with regulating them."

Although representatives back the measure, approval in the Senate — where the bills head next — is far from certain, bankers say.

"If this provision eventually becomes law — and one vote is far from that — an initial reading is that this appears to remove some of the barriers for the (Office of the Comptroller of the Currency) to financial services being available to marijuana businesses," said Don Childears, president and CEO of the Colorado Bankers Association. "It is not clear if this applies to the Federal Reserve or the FDIC. Questions still outnumber firm answers."

The move comes on the heels of another bill, HR 5106, which passed in May. It restricts the U.S. Department of Justice and the Drug Enforcement Administration from meddling with state-approved medical marijuana programs.

Both measures are headed to the Senate. It is unclear when they will be taken up.

"If implemented, this amendment will help alter the current untenable status quo that forces otherwise law-abiding businesses to operate on a cash-only basis, making them a target for criminal actions and unduly burdening their operations," said Erik Altieri, communication director for NORML, a national advocacy group to legalize marijuana.

Although the measure doesn't specifically say banks can deal with marijuana businesses with impunity — they still must follow strict banking laws requiring due diligence in dealing with customers and ensuring a proactive anti-money-laundering program — advocates say it helps.

"It's essentially forbidding the use of funds to target these banks," said Taylor West, deputy director of NCIA. "Given that many banks seemed to feel that the guidance issued in February was not concrete enough to give them the confidence to start taking cannabis-related clients, it would be a big deal to put that policy into actual law."

Two U.S. senators — Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa — have challenged the treasury department's guidance rules, issued by its Financial Crimes Enforcement Network branch, saying they usurped federal laws that still hold marijuana illegal.

Colorado's Marijuana Industry Group said the lack of banking services can be solved only at the federal level.

"State-licensed cannabis businesses would like to pay their federal income taxes with a check instead of cash," MIG executive director Michael Elliott said in a statement.

The Denver Post wrote of an Internal Revenue Service practice of charging a 10-percent penalty to businesses that pay employee withholding taxes in cash rather than electronically. Marijuana businesses without bank accounts suffer disproportionately because they have no choice but to pay in cash, according to a challenge in U.S. Tax Court.

The story prompted Perlmutter and U.S. Sen. Michael Bennet to urge the IRS to temporarily suspend the penalty until the marijuana-banking issue can be resolved.

Wednesday's action in Congress, however, would not directly impact how the IRS regulation is applied.

Colorado and Washington are the only two states where recreational marijuana sales are legal. Voters in Alaska and Oregon are set to take up the issue in November elections.

Twenty-three states, including Colorado, and the District of Columbia have legalized medical marijuana.
 

grazinChocolope

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"State-licensed cannabis businesses would like to pay their federal income taxes with a check instead of cash," thats how i feel. And thankfully they r starting to realize that this is an issues that need to be addressed. I mean im not a drug lord im just a guy who is trying to help ppl by providing a service no different than anyother person who provides a service. Thanks for that very enlightening and encouraging article cephalapod.
 

Resinxtractor

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I would find a competent lawyer. I know some growers out west that run everything like a legit business. However a few of them told me some valuable tips for dealing with banks.

Do not deposit cash in the bank that smells like cannabis. The name of your business should be something unsuspecting or no correlation with cannabis. No budz buds or Mary Jane's bakery.

When they end the drug war I might think about paying taxes.
 

grazinChocolope

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Ya sound advice....m/b 1 of these days. The govt is all about money. But soon theyll realize it more profitable for them to tax it rather than spend trying to prosecute it. But im not saying nething we havent already heard or know...ill just keep my day job cuz at least its good for something.taxes
 

panhead

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When i still owned the co-op we claimed operating expenses of the store , rent on the building the grow was housed in , electric costs , supplies like nutes & such but it might be different for a regular caregiver .

I got us registered as a Class B Non Profit business in Genesee County & for the 2 yrs i was listed as CEO my accountant deducted everything in sight as long as we had invoices or receipts & we never had any issues with the IRS .
Now that im no longer majority owner its a dispensary now & not elligable for non profit status so i dont know if they are able to use deductions .

Lawyers are not what you need to figure out wtf to do , your best bet is to retain a CPA who's familiar with all aspects of complicated tax laws .

PLEASE DO NOT DEDUCT based on my experiences without having a cpa on the case , i dont want anybody getting reamed by the IRS on my advice .
 

xxxPEACEPIPExxx

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:)
What I compensate goes right back to the taxes and light bills.. So yes I believe we all deserve compensations but some like me just about give it away when all said and done.
 

grazinChocolope

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Hey peacepipe. I saw. U on another thread. Ive always spent a lot of time in northen mi and have family up there but ur. Right about the. Distance. Keeping u sane. Its the reason me and my wife plan on moving. A little more room to live life as god intended i. Feel. Like a duck outta water around kzoo...too many people
 

xxxPEACEPIPExxx

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Right on Grazinchocolope! I spent 14 years in and around Grand Rapids and I used to call it the rat cage.. Every time I return and visit, it seems a little more crazy due to that cage aggression and the lack of resources.

In Michigan's northern ranges you can forage too while rarely seeing another human soul and this I really enjoy.
 

grazinChocolope

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Nice. To meet u peacepipe. It is too gr i mean. My buddy. Moved there and im just flabbergasted at why any1 would want to live that way. But to each his own. Keep on truckin peacepipe glad theres still ppl like u out there.
 

xxxPEACEPIPExxx

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Thanks my friend.Nice to meet you as well.. Perhaps one day we will meet up and break some bud. I always like to smoke out new friends hehe
 
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