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yield hungry

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All of this info is great.

@Puffntuff, might you have another idea. Im afraid ill mess something up trying that.

My seeds have slightly sprouted. Can i still move them to a smaller pot?
 

lilroach

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As you're quickly finding out that there's many different views on how to grow weed. If you're new to sites like this, and you attempt to find "the right way" of growing, you'll get what I call "information overload". So many experts with contradictory advice can drive you crazy.

I'll add to the din:

1. Miracle Grow is fine soil. You indicated that you're using their organic brand...not a bad choice.
2. The hardest part of growing for the first time is your temptation to do too many things all at once. Keep it simple. Make it your goal to stay out of the way of the plant's growth. Less is better the first time around.
3. Every new grower waters their plants too much to the point they drown the sucker. Roots need air about as much as they need water. Saturate your soil and then hide the watering can for 4 days.
4. Every new grower introduces nutrients waaaaaaaaay too soon. Your soil has plenty to start with and you shouldn't even consider it until about a month into the grow. Don't feed your plant the recommend dose the first time...go with 1/2. After feeding the first time....wait another 2-3 weeks and give a full dose.
5. You'll read about topping, fimming, LST, defoliating, super-cropping, etc. etc. It's my suggestion you stay away from all this the first grow. Let the plant grow on its own all the way to the end just so you can get a feel of how it's supposed to grow. You can try all those other things once you get 1-2 grows under your belt.
6. CFL's are a good starter bulb. They work best in veg, and many have had nice grows flowering with this type of bulb. Many make the mistake of not allowing for the heat these generate and fry their plants. Make sure you have good ventilation and keep the plant from touching the bulbs as you'll burn 'em for sure.

Your job is to keep the plant alive this grow....not an easy task for many of us when we did our first. Patience will be a big thing to learn and may take years to acquire the right amount of this.
 

bluerock

Active Member
The Miracle-Gro Organic Choice potting soil is 0.10 - 0.05 - 0.05. That's a big difference from 10-5-5. It is also a good thing because if it were loaded with time release fertilizers, you would have difficulty in diagnosing any plant problems that develop. Soil should be fine but I would hit them with either a tea or GH MaxiBloom once they get going.

16 gallon pots are overkill for indoor. Ditch the CFLs and get at least a 250w HPS.
 

bluerock

Active Member
Soil labeled .10-.05-.05 has a 10-5-5 npk in it, same shit
No it doesn't. If it did, you can be damned sure that a profit-oriented outfit like Miracle-Gro (Scotts) would advertise it as such. The low NPK numbers are typical for organic soils and/or fertilizers and are based on chemical analysis. While these numbers do not accurately reflect the potential of the organic product in question, they are nonetheless technically accurate. As is required by law.
 

Jbone77

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Lol, its a soil, not a nute, the numbers are lower because of all the fillers that arent npk related, salts dont have fillers so the numbers are higher. Read up on understanding the difference between soil npk and fert npk and you will understand
 

bluerock

Active Member
Lol, its a soil, not a nute, the numbers are lower because of all the fillers that arent npk related, salts dont have fillers so the numbers are higher. Read up on understanding the difference between soil npk and fert npk and you will understand
Even if your theory were true - which it is not - you are positing that there is a logarithmic relationship between the advertised nutrient levels and the "real" nutrient levels in an organic product. Absolutely preposterous. It's not even bad science.

EDIT: Salts? What salts? It's organic.
 

lilroach

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Please correct me if I'm wrong....NPK numbers aren't necessarily the strength or percentage of nutrients, but rather the ratios between the three. NPK 10-30-10 would be one part N, three parts P, and one part K......is this right?
 

RedCarpetMatches

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Please correct me if I'm wrong....NPK numbers aren't necessarily the strength or percentage of nutrients, but rather the ratios between the three. NPK 10-30-10 would be one part N, three parts P, and one part K......is this right?
Tru dat! Dude knows his shit!
 

Jbone77

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Its just the ratio of npk. So if you were to mix 10 pounds of organic filler like pete, bark and what not with 1 pound of a 2-4-3 npk organic fert you would have a .2-.4-.3 organic soil blend that would eventually deplete its nutes and need to be top dressed with that same 2-4-3 organic fert
 

bluerock

Active Member
Please correct me if I'm wrong....NPK numbers aren't necessarily the strength or percentage of nutrients, but rather the ratios between the three. NPK 10-30-10 would be one part N, three parts P, and one part K......is this right?
Not a ratio, percentage by weight.

Its just the ratio of npk. So if you were to mix 10 pounds of organic filler like pete, bark and what not with 1 pound of a 2-4-3 npk organic fert you would have a .2-.4-.3 organic soil blend that would eventually deplete its nutes and need to be top dressed with that same 2-4-3 organic fert
Not a ratio, see above. As for the rest, organics break down in time to release nutrients to the plant. It is a non-linear process.
 

yield hungry

New Member
This has all been great information. I gotta take it in moderation though. Lol. Just to give an update. One of my seedlings is about 4 1/2 inches. The other is about 3. Gonna get some smaller pots soon. While I was at work some white mold formed. I read I need an oscillating fan (I have a regular box fan or however it's called) and to spray it with a little peroxide. I'm assuming diluted a bit. Any truth to the peroxide bit? And is the fan I have ok?
 
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