California ballot initiatives

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
There are several ballot initiatives in California running from no-brainers (like Prop 1, a Yes making it harder to assail reproductive rights) to headscratchers.

This thread is intended for California voters and interested observers to talk about why an initiative is on the ballot … who benefits?

For example some years ago there was a ballot initiative that was ostensibly about reducing trafficking, but buried in the fine print was an expansion of property forfeiture privileges by law enforcement. “Follow the money.”

Because it looked like a slam dunk social justice issue, it got 86% of the vote. I was in the minority voting No because I dug enough to find the forfeiture clause, a cession of too much power to the police. Forfeiture biases the way laws are prosecuted, imo in a bad way.

Now we have the third go at tightening laws around dialysis centers. Pro: it seems to protect jobs. Con: it seems to be a hurdle to unionizing.

I voted no the first two times, but am now inclined to vote yes, since the money trail seems to lead toward profit protection by the big corporations running most dialysis centers. Anything that discourages unionizing now smacks of “pro-business” which correlates with Repug policy.

I thought I’d solicit opinions on this and the other initiatives on the state ballot, like the sports betting and EVs/taxes initiatives.
 

tangerinegreen555

Well-Known Member
I can't comment much on the dialysis center initiative at this time as this is the first I'm hearing about it.

I will say that I knew a guy in the '90s that got a fantastic job as a salesman for a dialysis machine company. He traveled around to hospitals and med centers in a flashy company car and was knocking down $150,000 a year 25 years ago when $50something K was the SS cutoff for paying into it those years. And this as a simple salesmen who had a few weeks of training for the product.

Haven't heard from him in years, he bought a 2nd house by 2000 in Florida and is likely retired if his income stayed or increased from those levels for a decade or more.

There's a hell of a lot of money in dialysis and dialysis machines for the companies, sales people and repair techs, not to mention the facilities that own and charge to use them. Especially for a product people need to avoid death.

The American for profit medical industry is troubling. Windfall profits galore in med products and procedures.
 

DrOgkush

Well-Known Member
There are several ballot initiatives in California running from no-brainers (like Prop 1, a Yes making it harder to assail reproductive rights) to headscratchers.

This thread is intended for California voters and interested observers to talk about why an initiative is on the ballot … who benefits?

For example some years ago there was a ballot initiative that was ostensibly about reducing trafficking, but buried in the fine print was an expansion of property forfeiture privileges by law enforcement. “Follow the money.”

Because it looked like a slam dunk social justice issue, it got 86% of the vote. I was in the minority voting No because I dug enough to find the forfeiture clause, a cession of too much power to the police. Forfeiture biases the way laws are prosecuted, imo in a bad way.

Now we have the third go at tightening laws around dialysis centers. Pro: it seems to protect jobs. Con: it seems to be a hurdle to unionizing.

I voted no the first two times, but am now inclined to vote yes, since the money trail seems to lead toward profit protection by the big corporations running most dialysis centers. Anything that discourages unionizing now smacks of “pro-business” which correlates with Repug policy.

I thought I’d solicit opinions on this and the other initiatives on the state ballot, like the sports betting and EVs/taxes initiatives.
So they’re not gonna shut down 1000s of dialysis centers if that ballot passes or not? I just keep seeing that commercial and I think it’s unethical and there is a fine print behind it.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
So they’re not gonna shut down 1000s of dialysis centers if that ballot passes or not? I just keep seeing that commercial and I think it’s unethical and there is a fine print behind it.
I have heard that that is a scare story told by in-house lawyers and lobbyists of the big corporations that run most of California dialysis centers. They do not want labor to unionize.
 

DrOgkush

Well-Known Member
Is that commercial on YouTube by any chance?
No. I don’t have commercial/ads on YouTube. I run hulu live. And it in like every fucking channel’s commercial. From vice to history to discovery and even ESPN. Same as prop 26 and 27 in Cali. Every other commercial. “Did you know you loving son is at risk of ruining his life with online sports betting”. Leading cause to meth addicts and fetty users.
 
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