Buying more Nutrients

BlueFish

BlueFish

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As the title says, I plan to expand my stock of nutrients. Currently I'm using Sensi Grow, Sensi Bloom and Bud Blood powder. It's been working well so far, but I plan to add more nutrients on the next grow and continue to add one or two additives each time. This way my upfront cost is lower and I can see what each additive is doing for me.

So, here's the deal. I'm looking to spend around 50 USD. I've done a lot of reading about specific additives, but I don't know enough to make a judgment call about which I should get first. Right now I'm thinking about Overdrive. Any suggestions on how I should expand my nutrient selection?
 
marketing bullshit. it's all about the correct NPK ratio for the different stages of growth. You need a high N food while the plant is vegging to promote good healthy foliage and new growth. when the plant stops growing foliage (about 3 weeks into 12/12) you switch to a 10-30-20. that level of N is enough to maintain the current foliage, while getting 30-20 for the flowering.

the snake oils, big buds, open sesames etc are all overpriced shit. they don't work. $10 worth of fert from walmart is all you need. I use to be the same as you, price did not matter to me I would buy anything that was claimed to be the 'best". but truly, $10 of these fert is much better then anything else
 
You have to wonder why a whole nutrient sub-forum exists if nutrients are as simple as you say, or why so many completely rational people who stand nothing to gain from endorsing a bloom enhancers do so. Plants are complex organisms, and there's a whole lot to their growth than just throwing nitrogen, potassium and phosphorous at them.
 
The most important thing to do to get big buds is to keep your foliage as green and healthy as possible. and yes there are a number of micros that are important too. It greatly depends on your medium. What are you growing in?

here is my plant that has only gotten two feeds of the Jacks 30-10-10. Before that it had some massive problems (an excess of Calcium causing nutrient antagonism with Magnesium) the plant did a complete 180 and is now growing lots of healthy foliage.

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Aeroponics. Rockwool cubes are holding the plants in the pot, but they don't do much aside from just keep it in place.
 
 
BlueFish said:
As the title says, I plan to expand my stock of nutrients. Currently I'm using Sensi Grow, Sensi Bloom and Bud Blood powder. It's been working well so far, but I plan to add more nutrients on the next grow and continue to add one or two additives each time. This way my upfront cost is lower and I can see what each additive is doing for me.

So, here's the deal. I'm looking to spend around 50 USD. I've done a lot of reading about specific additives, but I don't know enough to make a judgment call about which I should get first. Right now I'm thinking about Overdrive. Any suggestions on how I should expand my nutrient selection?
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You're missing Big Bud. IMHO there's not much point in growing without it. Bud Blood is great and all, but to get anything close to what the plant is capable of you're going to want Big Bud.

Just try it, you'll see what I mean.
 
Imaulle said:
then you need a complete food with all the micros. these are the NPK ratios that Uncle Ben recommends.

Dyna-Gro Foliage-Pro (9-3-6)

http://www.plantitearth.com/natural-nutrients/dyna-gro-foliage-pro.aspx

Dyna-Gro Bloom (3-12-6)

http://www.plantitearth.com/natural-nutrients/dyna-gro-bloom.aspx

you should read up on Uncle Bens posts.. especially this first one

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/158144-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-bloom.html
https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-...plant-moisture-stress-symptoms-solutions.html
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-m...989-uncle-bens-gardening-tweeks-pointers.html
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:leaf::leaf::leaf:

Read those 3 threads and I mean REALLY read them.

Not only will you question the effectiveness of 'rocket fuels', but you will see that, yes indeed, nutrients are just that simple.

Marketing, on top of taking a complete nutrient and splitting it into as many component parts as possible to sell separately for the most money is at the heart of most of these company's existance and business plan.

If you have ever done a regular garden, you would laugh at most of the marketing claims. MJ is just a plant, nothing special.

Wet
 
Bluefish, I would suggest Big Bud and Carboload, or Bud Candy as this product is Carboload combined with Sweetleaf. Let me also warn you about mentioning any Advanced Nutrient product because there are alot of people on this website who don't like AN. They will go to great lengths to persuade you from using what you choose to use. I personally like them and would not even consider using anything else since switching to AN. Good luck.
 
I just wanna throw my 2 cents in. You ask why all these people use and endorse MJ ferts? The same reason 7 million people bought pet rocks. Marketing. Do some reasearch. 90% +/- of all MJ "bloom boosters" are nothing more than molasses derived from beet production. Nothing more and nothing less. Plants dont eat a name. They eat nutrients. Jack's Classic and molasses is a completely MJ friendly fert routine for far less money that Sensi this and Flora that. As far as the micro nutrients that are neccesary and that you have to buy special nutes to get are almost completely in your tap water. So stop buying special water and get it from the tap instead and you will have $30 worth of micro nutrients for free. I have never seen such market based brainwashing in my life until I started looking into nutes. It's all bullshit. Marijuana is weed. It will grow and thrive in almost any environment. I am not knocking anyone that spends alot of money on nutes I am simply saying that I don't and I would put my plants against anyone elses in yield, potency and vigor and I would win 50% of the time. To each their own.
 
Well it may be a weed but my mother plants are growing like shit in hyponex soil. I've switched my new clones over the ocean forest and they look completely different from their mothers, nutes DO matter.
 
Ok if you say so but I have grown bagseed to doggies nuts and I grow exclusively in whatever's cheap at walmart for soil and use cheap store bought nutes in the right amounts and combinations and I have never had a stress situation or a death and my yield will blow many that I have seen here out of the water. There is no way you are going to convince me that your soil was stressing your plants. Like I have already stated: If you think by spending extra money on the magical MJ nutes is helping you grow plants all the power to ya but if you put them in cheap soil use cheap nutes and LEAVE THEM ALONE they will be every bit of what you want in a plant. I do it and evrybody I know does it and our weed is the best around here.
 
Imaulle said:
the snake oils, big buds, open sesames etc are all overpriced shit. they don't work. $10 worth of fert from walmart is all you need. I use to be the same as you, price did not matter to me I would buy anything that was claimed to be the 'best". but truly, $10 of these fert is much better then anything else
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Here you are again touting jack's . I will repost . $10 is bullshit.

patlpp said:
OK Mr Imaulle, the lucky one who has stash now and I don't:leaf:

Nice grow by the way, but I have to take up an argument with you, and maybe others, who think Jack's Classic is the best valued fertilizer of all time. It is, by it's own, but if you add other very significant factors in, it just isn't so. The fact that both ferts have massive urea for N, the medium used must be organic to process all this urea for conversion. The statement that you used $10 in fert is erroneous.

Each pot held maybe 4 gal Happy Froggy (3 new gallons + 1 gal transplant) at a cost (less shipping) of .75c qt = $12 bucket.
Let's say you got the Jack's for free. We won't even calculate how much you consumed. It would not be much per bucket. Maybe 20 grams.

I have a 4 gal 80/20 mix of coco and hydroton for .30c and .60c/ qt respectively. = .36c qt x 16 qts = $5.76. OK I use 24ml/gal nutrient for 84 days. 84/3 (feed every 3 days) = 28 feeds. 1/2 gal feed = 14 gal grow. 14x23ml = 322ml grow per bucket. I buy GH nutes @ $32/Gal. 322ml used = ~ $2.71 grow. My total cost for grow = $8.47

So far your per bucket = $12 Me= $8.47
Now I get 3 grows out of the coco and endless grows out of the hydroton. So if we took 3 grows , than your cost = 12x3 = $36 My cost is $5.76 + $2.71 + $2.71 = $11.18 a bucket. 1/3 your cost. Your fertilizer costs 3 times that of GH (sort of)!! Now I have to buy H2O2 to clean the medium so lets call it even since I gave you free nutes.

My point is
1) You bought Happy Frog which is NUTES. @ 12$ a bucket, AND you had to buy Jack's on top of that. Far from $10.

2) Jacks is so cheap because of the urea, and active soil is required for it to work. (Bloom has some nitrate N though) Good soil costs money and must be calculated in the net fertilizer cost. Other nutrients, when the medium is weighed in, is sometimes equal if not cheaper as I demonstrated.

Don't get me wrong , Jacks is fine, in fact I may get some of that Botanicare organic fortifier and add to coco and do a grow with the Jack's line. I don't slam any one line of nutes, they all have their positive attributes (usually). Jack's is price, uses quality ingredients (see below) and does damn well in organic soil.

If you get on http://www.aapfco.org/metals.htm and punch up peters, you can see the heavy metals of all nutes sold. I must say , Classic is some clean ass shit. It blows the doors off GH,AN and Dyna-grow. However, Happy Frog is high in lead and nickel. ( I think nickel is used in the urea/nitrogen process) .

Again excellent grow, love the frost on them. What camera do you use? Takes great piks. bongsmilie
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AND your plants aren't totally rockin'. Average, as are mine.
 
It always puts my teeth on edge when people say "it's a weed" as if that somehow means something.

A weed is nothing more, or less, than a plant that is growing somewhere a person doesn't want it growing. It has nothing to do with the plant's hardiness, how well it grows without supervision, or anything of that nature.

It has a reputation as a weed only because it's convenient for the government to make it disreputable. Before that it was a valuable crop.

See, it's all contextual. It's all garbage BS labels we as people put on things that aren't good or bad, crops or weeds except as we decide to arbitrarily perceive them.

Dandelions are a weed only if you think a giant patch of homogeneous grass is being disrupted by their presence. Other people think of them as a useful herb. Who's correct?

None of them. There's no more right and wrong, good and evil present in a plant than there is in a rock.



Cannabis is just a plant. As such it grows entirely without human intervention under the correct conditions. It also benefits from human intervention to optimize those conditions. To say that it is "just a weed" and therefore alleviate yourself of the responsibility to care for it properly is not only unfair, but patently wrong.

What we do as growers influences our plants. Calling cannabis "a weed" is a cop-out designed to make poor growers feel better about poor crops.
 
i would recommend getting some kinda microbs for your soil. no matter the brand. if ya found sumthing ya like then stick with it. ya know it works. either that or start dabbleing in CO2. can do pretty inexpensively. goodtimez
 
You can use microbials in hydroponics too, so long as it's microbes that are picked specifically because they tolerate a hydroponic environment nicely. Not all of them do.

I use AN's microbials in my system and I've been very pleased with the results. I even dump in my garden the extra left in the res when I clean and refill it every few weeks. It is definitely having a big positive impact there. Of course there's some nutes left in the water but I'm pretty sure there's microbials still swimming in it that are making a difference.

My tomato plants are about twice as big as last year's and the tomatoes themselves are noticably bigger and tastier.
 
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