Busted for buying seeds online ?

Roger A. Shrubber

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This makes no sense.. Inbound international mail is wayyy more likely to be inspected than domestic.. Packages can make it past customs and still be stopped by the USPIS along the way fyi.. and the whole "theyre not permitted by law to let it go any further" is a bunch of bullshit. If that were the case there wouldnt be the fentanyl stings where they deliver and pop.

If they can charge you for state-line crimes domestic, they can charge you with a importing contraband.. they're not doing either at the time but your logic is just a little wonky imo
some states are more pissy about it than others, they know the tag the shippers use and watch for it...
 

TacoMac

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This makes no sense.. Inbound international mail is wayyy more likely to be inspected than domestic.
Wrong. They are ALL inspected. There is no "likely" to it.

Packages can make it past customs and still be stopped by the USPIS along the way fyi.
It could...if it fell, busted open and all the contents popped out. But they have no reason to look at it. It's already been looked at. It's the same with any customs coming into the country.

"theyre not permitted by law to let it go any further" is a bunch of bullshit.
Wrong. That is black letter law.

If that were the case there wouldnt be the fentanyl stings where they deliver and pop.
Those bust are going on by way of them getting people who bought the bogus pills to rat out who sold them.

If you bothered actually listening, they all know it comes from China.

Nobody in China has been busted.

Nobody China actually shipped it to has been busted.

Only local dealers have been busted and that's because they got stupid and sold it. It took idiots selling to idiots to get busted, so if you're using it yourself you wouldn't have anything to worry about at all.
 

blowincherrypie

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Wrong. They are ALL inspected. There is no "likely" to it.



It could...if it fell, busted open and all the contents popped out. But they have no reason to look at it. It's already been looked at. It's the same with any customs coming into the country.



Wrong. That is black letter law.



Those bust are going on by way of them getting people who bought the bogus pills to rat out who sold them.

If you bothered actually listening, they all know it comes from China.

Nobody in China has been busted.

Nobody China actually shipped it to has been busted.

Only local dealers have been busted and that's because they got stupid and sold it. It took idiots selling to idiots to get busted, so if you're using it yourself you wouldn't have anything to worry about at all.
wrong.. do a google search and you will see that they have busted people who have ordered from China and elsewhere.. Hell there have been people whove gotten busted ordering pills from EU..

I dont have a problem listening.. Im not going to waste my time googling right now but I know I have heard of people getting popped ordering Pill/fent/coke etc.. not just cuz they got caught dealing, but because customs discovered the pack.. Its not like "oh customs caught it so Im all good"

Greenpoint just had some packages get popped off and even people in unfriendly states just got a luv letter.. its not like since it was domestic you're gonna have police knockin your door down or that ordering overseas is somehow a free pass.

Edit: and Im not sure what your first wrong is about.. They dont have the capability to inspect every single incoming package
 

TacoMac

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I've never seen any arrest of anybody importing from China.

Of the arrest I've seen, it was idiots trying to smuggle the already made pills across the border into Canada or the U.S. border with Mexico or by local law enforcement for selling in a Walmart parking lot.

They didn't find a package from China and then track down the people.

They busted people that already had the drugs trying to smuggle them elsewhere in cars like idiots as I said before.

If you know of someone busted direct from China, post the link. I'd like to see it.
 

Bodyne

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Google Yan Xiaobing

An investigation begun a year ago in New Orleans has led to the dismantling of an international fentanyl supplier, the prosecution of 21 people in China and the seizure of more than 20 million U.S.-bound doses of the synthetic opioid drug, American and Chinese authorities announced Wednesday (Aug. 29).

U.S. agents are now investigating 35 American shipping addresses to which the organization delivered or tried to deliver drugs, officials with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Homeland Security Investigations and Chinese narcotics authorities said at a joint news conference at the U.S. Customs House in New Orleans.

This week officials are meeting in New Orleans to discuss the ongoing investigation as the focus turns onto the 35 addresses identified throughout the United States.



"This is the first case of its kind with the U.S. and Chinese law enforcement working together," said Shawn Harwood, the attache for Homeland Security Investigations in Guangzho, China.

"American communities are being ravaged by a steady influx of illegal and deadly narcotics; chief amongst them heroin and the synthetic opioid fentanyl," said Homeland Security Investigations' (HSI) New Orleans Deputy Special Agent in Charge Thomas M. Annello in a statement. "We are firmly committed to targeting the illegal import and sale of opioids, following the money trails and leveraging our international and local partnerships to stop these opioid smuggling rings and prevent the crisis from spreading further."

According to a news release, the New Orleans office of HSI obtained information in August 2017 about a China-based narcotics supplier known as "Diana" exporting fentanyl to the United States. The HSI office in Guangzhou, China, discussed the case with the Chinese Narcotics Control Bureau and a joint investigation was agreed upon.

Chinese authorities formed a special task force of more than 100 elite Chinese police officers, which conducted an investigation of the crime group across several different provinces. They identified the ring's members and operations and ultimately broke up a clandestine chemical lab that had been producing fentanyl for multiple drug trafficking organizations, authorities said.

From November 2017 to January of this year, the task force arrested 21 people, seized significant quantities of pure fentanyl, fentanyl-containing products and fentanyl precursors and $115,000 in criminal proceeds, the news release said. Prosecution of the suspects is continuing in China.

"The success of this case has potentially stopped the delivery of nearly 20 million lethal doses of fentanyl to the United States," Annello said.

Fentanyl is 50 times more potent than heroin and 100 times more potent than morphine, according to authorities. The Centers for Disease Control estimates that more than 20,000 Americans are killed by fentanyl and fentanyl analogues each year, the release said

Fentanyl and synthetic mj is gonna be the bane of the shipping process for everything, imho. Fuckin k2 bullshit and the fentanyl od's. :cuss:
 

hillbill

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Domestic mail is a leading shipper of weed. I have never had in country mail fooled with by USPS. Domestic flies by everyone there so fast it’s a blur. I did have 3x long streamer hooks from Canada get the green tape 15 years ago.
 

TacoMac

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That refers to mass shipments of illegal drugs from one manufacturer to another. Not one person that ordered a package. It is in fact the story that Bodyne posted in his post. But again, that isn't one person getting busted for ordering from China. That's a MASS, HUGE, GARGANTUAN ring that was shipping more than the U.S. even produces.

That article isn't even about fentanyl. It was about a package thought to be fentanyl powder but was in fact heroine.

That doesn't even involve China at all. That's about one idiot named Harden shipping them to another idiot, both of whom were in the United States. Harden packaged the shit so stupidly it was easily spotted at his local post office.

So again, when you find somebody that ever got busted for ordering from China, let me know. (Tip: it's never happened.)
 

blowincherrypie

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That refers to mass shipments of illegal drugs from one manufacturer to another. Not one person that ordered a package. It is in fact the story that Bodyne posted in his post. But again, that isn't one person getting busted for ordering from China. That's a MASS, HUGE, GARGANTUAN ring that was shipping more than the U.S. even produces.



That article isn't even about fentanyl. It was about a package thought to be fentanyl powder but was in fact heroine.



That doesn't even involve China at all. That's about one idiot named Harden shipping them to another idiot, both of whom were in the United States. Harden packaged the shit so stupidly it was easily spotted at his local post office.

So again, when you find somebody that ever got busted for ordering from China, let me know. (Tip: it's never happened.)
Did you even read the links?

I didnt realize this had to be fentanyl? werent we just talking about what happens when a pack gets popped at customs? read the links.. People order things overseas.. the packages are popped in customs.. they are arrested..

Now you're just playing fuckn word games

edit: Here's a quote from the article you described as "one idiot named harden..."

"n the South Dakota case, the pills were ordered on the Internet, most likely from China, and were routed through California before coming to South Dakota, authorities said. According to court documents, police in Chamberlain received information that Harden was being mailed fentanyl; the postal inspector later intercepted packages mailed to him. Officials picked up a second package they say was bound for Harden; it also contained 20,000 fentanyl pills."
 

Bodyne

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17 or so Chinese were arrested in China,
Did you even read the links?

I didnt realize this had to be fentanyl? werent we just talking about what happens when a pack gets popped at customs? read the links.. People order things overseas.. the packages are popped in customs.. they are arrested..

Now you're just playing fuckn word games
agreed, let him rant, Im out. point game match, lol, took all of 5 minutes. I will say its the first big one and in conjunction with the Chinese, they did mention synthetic marijuana among other things. So yea, he's parsing words or phrases, but that's ok, I know now to avoid this thread. He'll figure it out. The rIngleader lived in china, got arrested in china, and that's that. With our help. Hate to be one of them addresses they lookin at. But recent busts in NE and St Lou have most def got their attention. They knew the Chinese were shipping the bath salts, k2, spice all that synthetic bullshit, just amazed at the folks using that shit, other than the prisons. AR prison had epidemic of K2, really? Something I read bout Ohio or somewhere, bunch of od's. etc. But yea, i'd say the door is open now tween us and Chinese concerning the shipping, be lookin a tad harder now with dogs, but they missed the ricin case making it all the way to the Pentagon and WH, I think. You really have to wonder.
 

TacoMac

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Did you even read the links?
Yes. Did you?

I didnt realize this had to be fentanyl?
It didn't have to be, but that's what you actually talked about before you went back and edited your post and deleted it. You said, "why do you think people have been getting busted for fentanyl from China". Bodyne posted and you both posted essentially the same story: about a manufacturing ring. That had nothing at all to do with somebody ordering some pills online and getting busted for it.

After you couldn't find a damn thing when I asked about it, you went back and edited your post.

werent we just talking about what happens when a pack gets popped at customs?
No. We were talking about people who order things from overseas and were busted for it. You started posting all kinds of bullshit that has nothing at all to do with that.
 

blowincherrypie

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Yes. Did you?



It didn't have to be, but that's what you actually talked about before you went back and edited your post and deleted it. You said, "why do you think people have been getting busted for fentanyl from China".

After you couldn't find a damn thing when I asked about it, you went back and edited your post.



No. We were talking about people who order things from overseas and were busted for it. You started posting all kinds of bullshit that has nothing at all to do with that.
You're a fuckin idiot if you think I went back and deleted shit.. are you talking about post 44? smh goof ass.. Every link I posted has something to do with people getting arrested and ordering overseas

https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article196224384.html

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/25/police-nashville-man-ordered-drugs-europe/72831514/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-man-arrested-on-drug-charges-after-picking-up-package-from-post-office-20160227-story.html

https://www.ktvz.com/news/bend-bound-package-of-ecstasy-spurs-raid-arrest/531578313

there u go in case you're too lazy/stupid to read them.. This is just from a 2 second google search.. I dont care enough to look up all the shit because you're an idiot who wont do it yourself
 

blowincherrypie

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I am done.. I have ordered overseas many times in the past.. but only an idiot thinks you would face "state and federal" charges ordering a few packs domestic and the way to get around that is by ordering international.. :roll:
 

TacoMac

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I am done.. I have ordered overseas many times in the past.. but only an idiot thinks you would face "state and federal" charges ordering a few packs domestic and the way to get around that is by ordering international.. :roll:
Well, asshat, when I'm talking about somebody ordering some seeds, typically 10 or 20 at a time, and you come back with some completely fucking moronic story of a guy trying to smuggle 100 fucking pounds of pills (40,000 of them) that were in a box the size of the fucking Titanic, or a drug bust that involved an ENTIRE FUCKING FACTORY, then you're not even making an apples and oranges argument. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Then at the very same time you go back to a "only a few packs" argument for yourself.

You're a fucking hypocrite and a moron. And guess what, pal: under federal law, they don't care if you cross the state line with one bag of dope or 1000, one seed or 100, even if it's legal in both states, it's a felony.
 

Misterbeans

Member
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If you're in an illegal state and order from a legal state seed bank and get caught, you face state and federal charges.

If you order from overseas, you face nothing at all if customs finds the shipment.

What's more, after clearing customs, shipments are not inspected by state stations.

Your odds of getting in trouble ordering from overseas is essentially zero.

Your only real chance of getting in trouble as an American in an illegal state is ordering from American seed banks.
Yep that's why I order from Canada customs is easier but I did order from seedsman because the stains oh man lol, I'm waiting I'll let you know if it gets busted or not lol
 

jayblaze710

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TacoMac has zero, and I mean ZERO idea what he is talking about.

If a shipment comes through country borders, and inspectors realize, through whatever means, that it contains something illegal, they will write up a warrant, deliver it, and then have SWAT or DEA bang down your door.

There isn’t some ridiculous statute where since it was an international order they can’t do anything about it. I personally know someone who got arrested for buying MDMA from overseas.

Stop making up bullshit.
 

TacoMac

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TacoMac has zero, and I mean ZERO idea what he is talking about.

If a shipment comes through country borders, and inspectors realize, through whatever means, that it contains something illegal, they will write up a warrant, deliver it, and then have SWAT or DEA bang down your door.

There isn’t some ridiculous statute where since it was an international order they can’t do anything about it. I personally know someone who got arrested for buying MDMA from overseas.

Stop making up bullshit.
You're an idiot.

In order to obtain a warrant, you must provide sufficient probable cause.
  • there is no link between me and the seeds.
  • there is no return address on the envelope the seeds were in.
  • there is no way to verify that I ever purchased anything illegal.
  • there is no way to even suggest that I had any knowledge the envelope even existed.
So tell me, bright boy: where are you going to get your probable cause? Out of your ass?

And the reason shippers can not forward any shipment of found illegal drugs is simple: IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL TO SHIP ILLEGAL DRUGS.

They have to notify the authorities immediately, who confiscate them. If they're of sufficient quantity to warrant investigation and they want to pursue you, then they'll take care of delivery and everything else involved themselves.

They sure as fuck aren't going to leave it up to Opey making deliveries for the U.S. mail on a part time basis.
 

blowincherrypie

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You're an idiot.

In order to obtain a warrant, you must provide sufficient probable cause.
  • there is no link between me and the seeds.
  • there is no return address on the envelope the seeds were in.
  • there is no way to verify that I ever purchased anything illegal.
  • there is no way to even suggest that I had any knowledge the envelope even existed.
So tell me, bright boy: where are you going to get your probable cause? Out of your ass?

And the reason shippers can not forward any shipment of found illegal drugs is simple: IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL TO SHIP ILLEGAL DRUGS.

They have to notify the authorities immediately, who confiscate them. If they're of sufficient quantity to warrant investigation and they want to pursue you, then they'll take care of delivery and everything else involved themselves.

They sure as fuck aren't going to leave it up to Opey making deliveries for the U.S. mail on a part time basis.
 
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