Bushy White Widows grows nothing in height good/bad?

Hello everyone!

First thread for me so go easy on me, thanks!

I have been trying to grow cannabis for a little more then a month now. My first try failed miserably because I had to leave town but **** happens, right?

I have had my 2 white widows, feminized, in soil now for almost a month. And I'm beginning to worry if i might be doing something wrong. The problem I am having is that both plants grow almost nothing in height. But they are really bushy and have lots of stem nodes, and new ones keep coming up all the time.

Currently the plants are about 10cm high from the soil and have many, many nodes. I can't really count them to be honest. Also the stem is really think, which I guess is good. From all the pictures I have seen there is always some room between the nodes, like 3-4 cm at least, I have maybe 1cm.

Does this sound ok? Will they stretch more when I go into the flowering stage? Sadly I do not have a camera at this time but I will try to borrow one tomorrow.

For lights I have CFL's 4*25W 6500K and 4*23W 2700K. The 4*25W 6500 has been on since I these seeds sprouted and the 4*23W have been on since a little more then a week ago. The lights are close the the plants.

When I start flowering I will have several 23W 2700K around it and a large 200W 2700K above it.

All help welcome, thank you.

You might try gently pushing the plants down into the soil(/). That should allow the roots to expand some. i had a smilar situation, and that's what I did, they started to grow up...Is a cm about 2.5 inches?

bastupungen said:

Hello everyone!

First thread for me so go easy on me, thanks!

I have been trying to grow cannabis for a little more then a month now. My first try failed miserably because I had to leave town but **** happens, right?

I have had my 2 white widows, feminized, in soil now for almost a month. And I'm beginning to worry if i might be doing something wrong. The problem I am having is that both plants grow almost nothing in height. But they are really bushy and have lots of stem nodes, and new ones keep coming up all the time.

Currently the plants are about 10cm high from the soil and have many, many nodes. I can't really count them to be honest. Also the stem is really think, which I guess is good. From all the pictures I have seen there is always some room between the nodes, like 3-4 cm at least, I have maybe 1cm.

Does this sound ok? Will they stretch more when I go into the flowering stage? Sadly I do not have a camera at this time but I will try to borrow one tomorrow.

For lights I have CFL's 4*25W 6500K and 4*23W 2700K. The 4*25W 6500 has been on since I these seeds sprouted and the 4*23W have been on since a little more then a week ago. The lights are close the the plants.

When I start flowering I will have several 23W 2700K around it and a large 200W 2700K above it.

All help welcome, thank you.

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Plants usually double and can triple when Flowered. I guess the seeds you got could have an indica dominant which would be a reason why their short and bushy or if your lights are really close to your plant, the plant won't have to increase in height that much to reach a healthy ammount of light. Also female plants are supposedly small and bushy. Either way if their's no yellow just stay mellow. Over complicating just leads to more complications trust me

Thats how it grows,but cfls create xtra compact nodes,because the light can be put closer to the plant than a HID.They should strech a lil when you flower them.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Ma7yeZWbY.Cut the lower branches,as they say on the vid.

Wow! Many responses and fast, i'm impressed guys! Thank you.

Anotheroldephart:
Yes one inch is 2.54cm. It would probably be a good idea to push it down a little if I could. But you see, I have a node right above the soil. I'm not sure if I want to push a node into the soil. If you still think I should, then I will try to push it down a cm or more.

Swag:
So you don't think there is anything wrong with them being small? The reason I'm worried is because I read in the guide I try to follow (which is a white widow guide) that I should start flowering when it is about 10 inches high (about 25cm, mine is 10 now, not even half) and I have been veggin' it for a month now.

"if their's no yellow just stay mellow" What did you mean by that? Because I am getting some yellow parts on the leaves. I think it might be because I give it too much nutrients. It's mostly the lower leaves that get this problem.

1kooguy:
I have watched that video but their plants look nothing like mine, not even the first pics are anything similar. I cannot even see the stem without moving 2-3 branches.

So when should I start trimming the lower branches? I am planning on doing cuttings. Do you think I could start with 2-3 cuttings from next week maybe? Then it will have been in the soil for more then 4 weeks.

I guess it will be easier for everyone tomorrow when I get some pics taken. I really hope to hear from you then. Thank you!

Sometimes you will get a phenotype of a particular strain that just grows like that.
It's only a bad thing if your wanting to grow a tall plant.
Short and stout with thick multiple branching can be nothing but good.
You may just have to veg it a little longer than normal to get a decent yield and LST to open her up.
I personally grow my plants this way because I have height restrictions.
This plant was 5 weeks old and 20cm high when put into 12/12. This picture was taken at Day 19 12/12. ( 30cm high)

Its weird.. because I understand what you mean with that plant in the picture being bushy, because it is. But yours have several high branches. I understand that you have cut the plant so it did that but it still does not look anything like mine. Its hard to describe but mine is like thick like ****. I checked, and its not even 1 cm between the nodes (its 0.7cm (like 0.3inches). Your plant seems to have some space at least

Also LST is that when you tie the plant down to grow thicker? to grow from a new top. I'm gonna check if I can do that but i dunno.. The entire plant would be tied down.

bastupungen said:

Its weird.. because I understand what you mean with that plant in the picture being bushy, because it is. But yours have several high branches. I understand that you have cut the plant so it did that but it still does not look anything like mine. Its hard to describe but mine is like thick like ****. I checked, and its not even 1 cm between the nodes (its 0.7cm (like 0.3inches). Your plant seems to have some space at least

Also LST is that when you tie the plant down to grow thicker? to grow from a new top. I'm gonna check if I can do that but i dunno.. The entire plant would be tied down.

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Gonna need a pic I'm really interested in what your talking about.
Mine has branches protruding out because the have had some LST to make it like that. There all tied out to create some numerous colas.
Yes my plant has space now between the nodes but it has stretched a bit under 12/12.
This entire plant is tied out so that's what you may have to do.
Can't wait to se a pic, I'm excited.

I tied the top down a little so the many small branches under it came fourth. I can try to take some pics with the webcam.. Can't promise epic quality but better then nothing.

bastupungen said:

Its weird.. because I understand what you mean with that plant in the picture being bushy, because it is. But yours have several high branches. I understand that you have cut the plant so it did that but it still does not look anything like mine. Its hard to describe but mine is like thick like ****. I checked, and its not even 1 cm between the nodes (its 0.7cm (like 0.3inches). Your plant seems to have some space at least

Also LST is that when you tie the plant down to grow thicker? to grow from a new top. I'm gonna check if I can do that but i dunno.. The entire plant would be tied down.

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For a widow, that's perfect, she'll grow another 20cm being that's how tall she is now. When I put mine to flower, they were only2 cm, ended being5-7cm..Conversion strains the stone*g*Anywho .. With CFL's, you can drop those puppies right down between the girls. Take wire screen.25x.25 in works best, heavy duty enough, won't get hot, burn, small enough to keep leaves out.. Make it approx 1 in larger than bulb. They will take off..

here goes nothing.. the quality of the pictures are really bad because I used the webcam of my laptop. But maybe you can see what I'm talking about. I put a standard knife in for reference

"With CFL's, you can drop those puppies right down between the girls. Take wire screen.25x.25 in works best, heavy duty enough, won't get hot, burn, small enough to keep leaves out.. Make it approx 1 in larger than bulb. They will take off.."

Can you please explain that again? I'm sure the explanation is perfect its just that English is not my first language and my head is really slow today, sorry.

I can't see **** from the pics so if cannot either don't worry. I will try to borrow my friends digital

bastupungen said:

here goes nothing.. the quality of the pictures are really bad because I used the webcam of my laptop. But maybe you can see what I'm talking about. I put a standard knife in for reference

"With CFL's, you can drop those puppies right down between the girls. Take wire screen.25x.25 in works best, heavy duty enough, won't get hot, burn, small enough to keep leaves out.. Make it approx 1 in larger than bulb. They will take off.."

Can you please explain that again? I'm sure the explanation is perfect its just that English is not my first language and my head is really slow today, sorry.

I can't see **** from the pics so if cannot either don't worry. I will try to borrow my friends digital

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OK lookin good!
Cabbages! Yes, that's what I like to see.
Oldephart is talking 'scrog' for these puppies and you can go that way.
Looks like your light has been real close, like 'oldephart suggests.
I think yours is probably just a little too close. I can see come twisting and maybe sun spots on your leaves from heat stress.
How close do you keep your lights?
Any who, gotta roll, but I'm looking forward to seeing these girls progress.

Mammath said:

OK lookin good!
Cabbages! Yes, that's what I like to see.
Oldephart is talking 'scrog' for these puppies and you can go that way.
Looks like your light has been real close, like 'oldephart suggests.
I think yours is probably just a little too close. I can see come twisting and maybe sun spots on your leaves from heat stress.
How close do you keep your lights?
Any who, gotta roll, but I'm looking forward to seeing these girls progress.

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hehe, yes.. I guess it kind of resembles cabbages. I was guessing that scrog was what he meant but I never really understood what that was all about soo... perhaps I should read up on it. I had plans to LST when it got alittle bigger (higher) but it never did soo. But I did it now if you can see it in the pictures.

I have the lights about 3-4 cm from the top. but there are 8 lights in a really crowded space so there might be some leaves that are too close. Also I think some of what you see is nutrient "burns". Not sure but I suspect I had too much at times. Gonna try to ease up how close the lights are and the amounts of nutrients.

What do you guys think, can I start the flowering in the next week (after I get my last lights (the 200W CFL warm)? Or should i wait even longer and try to make them bigger?

just a small update: I noticed that the lights were further down then I had planned. A small piece had broke so the lights hung wrong. I fixxed that now so now its a little more space between the plants and the lights. I don't think the plants will stretch but maybe we wont get any burns.

bastupungen said:

hehe, yes.. I guess it kind of resembles cabbages. I was guessing that scrog was what he meant but I never really understood what that was all about soo... perhaps I should read up on it. I had plans to LST when it got alittle bigger (higher) but it never did soo. But I did it now if you can see it in the pictures.

I have the lights about 3-4 cm from the top. but there are 8 lights in a really crowded space so there might be some leaves that are too close. Also I think some of what you see is nutrient "burns". Not sure but I suspect I had too much at times. Gonna try to ease up how close the lights are and the amounts of nutrients.

What do you guys think, can I start the flowering in the next week (after I get my last lights (the 200W CFL warm)? Or should i wait even longer and try to make them bigger?

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Definitely read up on 'scrog' you have already primed them for such a grow.
You have also already kind of LST'd them with your light distance. Low Stress Training can be done many different ways, weather it be a piece of wire or keeping your light source so close. Deforming a plant is also a category your plants fit into, (not in a too bad way).
I'm not a cfl grower or scrog so I hope some of those kinfolk chime in here.
If your asking about the destiny of the girls then it's up to you to decide which way you go depending on your variables, space, expectancy, time, yield hopes , dreams, light source, etc.
You could do a lot with these girls but I would be looking at vegging for a lot longer.

Edit: Lift the light. Let them grow bigger.

lights are now lifted to about 6-7 cm.. to lift more would mean that I have to rebuild some of it. So I'm gonna see how this works. Thanks for your help. I'll come with more pictures when I have them and have seen some improvement. And I think I'm gonna veg them for a couple of weeks more. Until they get a little bigger.

bastupungen said:

lights are now lifted to about 6-7 cm.. to lift more would mean that I have to rebuild some of it. So I'm gonna see how this works. Thanks for your help. I'll come with more pictures when I have them and have seen some improvement. And I think I'm gonna veg them for a couple of weeks more. Until they get a little bigger.

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Wow..imo the lights are too high, yes you'll get stretch, but that won't increase nodes. I keep my lights no more than 1cm from tops, that way they're budz top to bottom.. Stunting also may be caused by a too small pot=root bind..
Light cage...Take the wire mesh, roll it into a tube, about 1 in larger around. Like . a soda can inside a coffee can..Then suspend the bulb inside..presto plant guard...

Anotheroldephart said:

Wow..imo the lights are too high, yes you'll get stretch, but that won't increase nodes. I keep my lights no more than 1cm from tops, that way they're budz top to bottom.. Stunting also may be caused by a too small pot=root bind..
Light cage...Take the wire mesh, roll it into a tube, about 1 in larger around. Like . a soda can inside a coffee can..Then suspend the bulb inside..presto plant guard...

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Thats A good Idea with the cage. My lights get quite hot so I'm gonna look into that.

I first planted my seeds in one of those small pots that you can plant directly into the soil when the roots start to show. Could that be a reason why its short? I was told I should do that in the guide

It's this guide BTW:
http://www.growcannabis.com/how-to-grow-white-widow.html

I'll get the lights a little lower. Mammath said he wasn't an CFL grower so if you are that and think its better to have the lights closer I will do that. So as close as possible without burning the plants? like an inch maybe a little more?

bastupungen said:

Thats A good Idea with the cage. My lights get quite hot so I'm gonna look into that.

I first planted my seeds in one of those small pots that you can plant directly into the soil when the roots start to show. Could that be a reason why its short? I was told I should do that in the guide

It's this guide BTW:
http://www.growcannabis.com/how-to-grow-white-widow.html

I'll get the lights a little lower. Mammath said he wasn't an CFL grower so if you are that and think its better to have the lights closer I will do that. So as close as possible without burning the plants? like an inch maybe a little more?

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Closer = better yes. It also helps to have a slight breeze going around the plants to toughen stems and help regulate temps a bit..

i am growing w.w. widow as well.i have them in veg and about 11 inches tall.bushy as all get out.how tall will it get if i put it into flowering now?