Bushmaster: A How to Guide

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Medical MJ Cures Cancer

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Anyway, Just recently cut down my last crop before i move. I've been in a apt for my last grow(bout 3 months now) so my op has been small. One 250w hps with Hortilux bulb. I had 9 plants of a personal strain that i have had for about 2 years now. Its a cross of ww female (green house) and a land race from around my parts that an old timer gave me. Ive since bred the decindints of these plants to issolate the dominant indica phenom. Then inter bred these for a few gernations, the latest of which will come off of a few of the buds from the sellected parent plant.

This strain responds well to the bushmaster treatment and is a hog for nutes. They got hit with a bushmaster treatment at the start of flowering and 2 1/2 weeks in. I left one plant with out the bushmaster (the one i pollinated a small bottum bud on) Plants are still drying/curing but the early results are very promising!! With a few days left and me using my past water loss figurs i should end up with about 180-200 g. But thats just guess work and not counting whatever the plant that didnt recive the bushmaster regiment. .8 grams per watt of some sticky!! I hope at least.

Final stats the plants finished flowering at just over 32" tall with a long fat cola covering almost 2/3s of the plant with smaller budstems coming up from the bottum. They all finished almost identical varying is size only slightly and seem to reflect there placement in the room.

ill post more on this when they finish but its kind of delayed due to the one not treated with bushmaster still hasnt shown the thric. develupment i look for.
 
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Imaulle

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Uncle Ben is saying what needs to be said..

I've used a bunch of different products from many of these companies, and they are all overpriced, worthless shit. The $4.99 food I now use is 100000000x better then the stuff they sell for ten times as much.

It is 100% marketing bullshit. These companies are trying to capitalize off anything they can using any angle they can. Most people are just ignorant lazy fucks and believe everything they read. They will spend hundreds of dollars on worthless products that do literally NOTHING because they claim to increase yields by x percent. Please show the study showing this, because I did not see it in my grow!
 
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Imaulle said:
Uncle Ben is saying what needs to be said..

I've used a bunch of different products from many of these companies, and they are all overpriced, worthless shit. The $4.99 food I now use is 100000000x better then the stuff they sell for ten times as much.

It is 100% marketing bullshit. These companies are trying to capitalize off anything they can using any angle they can. Most people are just ignorant lazy fucks and believe everything they read. They will spend hundreds of dollars on worthless products that do literally NOTHING because they claim to increase yields by x percent. Please show the study showing this, because I did not see it in my grow!
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Well my grows show results and im anything but lazy and as a matter of fact bushmaster is cheaper then another nute i use besides super thrive. It was developed to combat those products that are over price and due very litte.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Medical MJ Cures Cancer said:
Just to get it out of the way i dont care what all you old growers that say theres no need for additives. I mean hydroponics is a different than growing in soil.
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No it's not, it's just one of many gardening approaches of delivering water and elements. The plant doesn't care about the delivery system, it's genetically predisposed to demand the right amount of salts and water and whether you do that correctly via aeroponics, NFT, DWC, organic soil and soil-less is immaterial. Where folks go wrong is they get carried away by the gizmos and not proper culture. If you're gonna do aeroponics, fine, just be sure your plants get what they need at the right time without any issues like root rot, disease/insect pressures, etc.

BTW, does Bushmaster contain Paclobutrazol as the active ingredient? If so, it's a legitimate PGR. Paclo is also a regulated chemical. Only those who hold a licensed pesticide applicator's license are allowed to buy it. Now, since they only disclose that it is a kelp product, perhaps this is how they are getting around the law.
 
seasmoke

seasmoke

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I'm willing to listen. I got my Bushmasters in today. I won't use it on all the plants although I do have a strain that stretchs like a mofo. They are two weeks in 12-12 and easily doubled in height.And that was topped. Outside these things would be 7-10 ft monsters
The catch is theres alot of space between the nodes, they'll never fill in. Thats why I bought bushmasters. I'm hoping to tighten up the internodes and reduce stretching.

I'm in pro-mix, 5 gal, the next set going in is this Sunday. They are already 3ft tall. I've topped them twice.

So i'll take a chance on this strain.

They also sent me a free sample of some stuff called Snow Storm ultra....I guess its supposed to tighten the stacks, and accelerated root growth.
 
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seasmoke said:
I'm willing to listen. I got my Bushmasters in today. I won't use it on all the plants although I do have a strain that stretchs like a mofo. They are two weeks in 12-12 and easily doubled in height.And that was topped. Outside these things would be 7-10 ft monsters
The catch is theres alot of space between the nodes, they'll never fill in. Thats why I bought bushmasters. I'm hoping to tighten up the internodes and reduce stretching.

I'm in pro-mix, 5 gal, the next set going in is this Sunday. They are already 3ft tall. I've topped them twice.

So i'll take a chance on this strain.

They also sent me a free sample of some stuff called Snow Storm ultra....I guess its supposed to tighten the stacks, and accelerated root growth.
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Sounds like a plan man!! Never used the Snow Storm stuff so let me know how it works for ya!! Also Gravity will help dense up the buds. Let us know how it all works for ya.

Just be sure to take it easy with the Bush. it is very potent.
 
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RichED

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Yo bushmaster people check this out from mr bushmaster



Join Date: Mar 2008​
Location: the galaxy​
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correct way to use Bush master,gravity,purpple maxx.

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i wrote an email to the guys that make this stuff and they told me that this is the correct way to use their stuff.

this is the actual email i recived

There have been reports that the products can burn under some
conditions. With the BushMaster and Gravity we have found that over the
last 4 years or so, the strains that people are usually growing are now more
sensitive than the strains that were popular 4 years ago. We have recently
changed the dose on BushMaster to 1/2 teaspoon per gallon. If that doesn't
work then perhaps one more dose of 1/2 teaspoon per gallon can be added a
week later. A newer method reported to us is the use of 4 ml. per gallon,
allowing it to sit for about 6 hours and then thoroughly washing it out.
Some of the best results ever obtained have been with this method.
Sometimes, though, it's not the plants or the product but simply that people
are going hog wild with their nutrients. Most of the time, if there's a
problem it's because of over fertilizing. If you think you've been over
doing it, simply water well with just plain water a couple of days before
applying BushMaster and apply it with water only. When used one of the
above ways there should never be a problem with watering.
With Gravity, we now recommend 1/2 teaspoon per gallon for 2-4
consecutive waterings although it almost always works well with 2 doses.
Again, 99% of the time the problem is heavy over-fertilizing during bloom.
With Purple Maxx, it states on the label that it causes a sudden uptake
of nutrients when applied so definitely cut back the nutes. If you are
using it the last 2 weeks, a lot of people hardly use nutes at all, just the
Maxx. If you are using it through out bloom you can easily cut back and use
about 2/3 of the recommended fertilizer dose and the plants will still
thrive.
We have outdoor growers who run their nutrients at about 500 ppm in a
drip systems with 2 ml. of Purple Maxx per gallon and do it all summer and
get way better results than using heavy fertilizer with out the Maxx.
Light intensity does have something to do with the burning when it
occurs. That's why we recommend raising the lights when using Gravity.
Using a 400 Watt light gives you a better margin for safety than a 1000W.
The above info should get you on the right path. These products are all
very potent compared to a lot of the swill on the market and they really
work. We sell huge amounts of these products in our store. If they didn't
do what they're supposed to do someone would have shot me or burned down my
store by now!
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IT AINT A THING BUT A CHIKIN WING
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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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RichED said:
There have been reports that the products can burn under some
conditions. With the BushMaster and Gravity we have found that over the
last 4 years or so, the strains that people are usually growing are now more
sensitive than the strains that were popular 4 years ago.
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What a crock, blaming the actions of his product on mutts that haven't changed in 20 years.

These snake oil salesman are all the same.
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We have recently changed the dose on BushMaster to 1/2 teaspoon per gallon. If that doesn't work then perhaps one more dose of 1/2 teaspoon per gallon can be added a week later.
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Yes, perhaps.

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tom__420

tom__420

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Uncle Ben you might have missed it but I asked where I could find one of your grow journals... would love to see what you are working with and what nutes you use
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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tom__420 said:
Uncle Ben you might have missed it but I asked where I could find one of your grow journals... would love to see what you are working with and what nutes you use
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You need to go back the last 14 years across about 6 forums.

This is a typical garden using about $2.00 worth of nutes found at Walmart or a local nursery.
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/9114-spin-out-chemical-root-pruning.html

See the photo under the title
Profile of a Male that was Destroyed


You will NOT get that kind of health with your snake oils. For example, you have some issues with your plant. They are stunted and are showing chlorosis most likely due to high P foods or cannabis specific foods in general:





Nice labels though. ;)



What happened to the lower leaves?



It's those pesky foods again!

Good luck,
UB
 
OB Cron Kenobi

OB Cron Kenobi

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RichED props for your research. Thank you very much.

Uncle Ben... Again, your methods are curious- and I am happy to grant them a place in the world of growing. But this isnt the forum for your biased anti-nute opinion. Its cool that you do what you do successfully, but I choose to use products like BM, Gravity, and Purp Maxx- I don't need your repetitive assaults on "snake oils"

Please leave this thread and find one for people like yourself. This thread is meant for people who WANT to use BM. Your opinion has been noted. Thank you for your interest.

Now for the rest of us experimenters using BM... allow us to share our experiences.
 
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Medical MJ Cures Cancer

Member
RichED said:
Yo bushmaster people check this out from mr bushmaster

BUMP
correct way to use Bush master,gravity,purpple maxx.

permalink
i wrote an email to the guys that make this stuff and they told me that this is the correct way to use their stuff.

this is the actual email i recived

There have been reports that the products can burn under some
conditions. With the BushMaster and Gravity we have found that over the
last 4 years or so, the strains that people are usually growing are now more
sensitive than the strains that were popular 4 years ago. We have recently
changed the dose on BushMaster to 1/2 teaspoon per gallon. If that doesn't
work then perhaps one more dose of 1/2 teaspoon per gallon can be added a
week later. A newer method reported to us is the use of 4 ml. per gallon,
allowing it to sit for about 6 hours and then thoroughly washing it out.
Some of the best results ever obtained have been with this method.
Sometimes, though, it's not the plants or the product but simply that people
are going hog wild with their nutrients. Most of the time, if there's a
problem it's because of over fertilizing. If you think you've been over
doing it, simply water well with just plain water a couple of days before
applying BushMaster and apply it with water only. When used one of the
above ways there should never be a problem with watering.
With Gravity, we now recommend 1/2 teaspoon per gallon for 2-4
consecutive waterings although it almost always works well with 2 doses.
Again, 99% of the time the problem is heavy over-fertilizing during bloom.
With Purple Maxx, it states on the label that it causes a sudden uptake
of nutrients when applied so definitely cut back the nutes. If you are
using it the last 2 weeks, a lot of people hardly use nutes at all, just the
Maxx. If you are using it through out bloom you can easily cut back and use
about 2/3 of the recommended fertilizer dose and the plants will still
thrive.
We have outdoor growers who run their nutrients at about 500 ppm in a
drip systems with 2 ml. of Purple Maxx per gallon and do it all summer and
get way better results than using heavy fertilizer with out the Maxx.
Light intensity does have something to do with the burning when it
occurs. That's why we recommend raising the lights when using Gravity.
Using a 400 Watt light gives you a better margin for safety than a 1000W.
The above info should get you on the right path. These products are all
very potent compared to a lot of the swill on the market and they really
work. We sell huge amounts of these products in our store. If they didn't
do what they're supposed to do someone would have shot me or burned down my
store by now!
__________________
IT AINT A THING BUT A CHIKIN WING
​
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Thanks man this is great thank you for posting it!
 
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Medical MJ Cures Cancer

Member
OB Cron Kenobi said:
RichED props for your research. Thank you very much.

Uncle Ben... Again, your methods are curious- and I am happy to grant them a place in the world of growing. But this isnt the forum for your biased anti-nute opinion. Its cool that you do what you do successfully, but I choose to use products like BM, Gravity, and Purp Maxx- I don't need your repetitive assaults on "snake oils"

Please leave this thread and find one for people like yourself. This thread is meant for people who WANT to use BM. Your opinion has been noted. Thank you for your interest.

Now for the rest of us experimenters using BM... allow us to share our experiences.
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+rep man thanks for helping explain the purpus of this forum. It seems certain people still cant grasp the consept

anyway thanks man hope to hear from u again!
 
terrorizer805

terrorizer805

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I agree with old man ben all these products are BS.
All it is, is marketing and them telling you what to buy, Only reason i'm using the nutes I use now is because they were free compliments of General Hydroponics. Other wise I would be using the nutrients they have at my dads job with high NPK ratings.
 
terrorizer805

terrorizer805

Well-Known Member
Uncle Ben said:
No it's not, it's just one of many gardening approaches of delivering water and elements. The plant doesn't care about the delivery system, it's genetically predisposed to demand the right amount of salts and water and whether you do that correctly via aeroponics, NFT, DWC, organic soil and soil-less is immaterial. Where folks go wrong is they get carried away by the gizmos and not proper culture. If you're gonna do aeroponics, fine, just be sure your plants get what they need at the right time without any issues like root rot, disease/insect pressures, etc.

BTW, does Bushmaster contain Paclobutrazol as the active ingredient? If so, it's a legitimate PGR. Paclo is also a regulated chemical. Only those who hold a licensed pesticide applicator's license are allowed to buy it. Now, since they only disclose that it is a kelp product, perhaps this is how they are getting around the law.
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Tio Ben, you think you can take a cruise down to my grow journal when you have a chance, hit me with all your knowledge and input you may have to give. Thanks :leaf:
 
YungMoolaBaby

YungMoolaBaby

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I guess the lesson is if you are going to use this product, treat it like any other nutrient solution and use less than the recommended amount at first to see how it does, then modify accordingly. Jesus the politics are killing me.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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terrorizer805 said:
I agree with old man ben all these products are BS.
All it is, is marketing and them telling you what to buy, Only reason i'm using the nutes I use now is because they were free compliments of General Hydroponics. Other wise I would be using the nutrients they have at my dads job with high NPK ratings.
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Folks are using Bushmaster and other snake oils without knowing what's in them, nor do they care. Not one person can tell me the active ingredient in Bushmaster, they're only in it for the dreams, the ideology. Forum chatter becomes more important than cause and effect, real world value. When I talk shop with local folk, we don't talk product names, it goes something like this, "Hey Boudreaux, you got any of dat 18-6-12 left, sho would like to git mah hands on some." "Boudreaux say, "yah leroy, you come down and getcha some."

I briefly took a look at one of your links and this is what I found in your first post:

As of now i'm interested in Fox Farm Tiger Bloom, Big Bloom, Beastie Bloomz, Cha Ching.

NONE of those products will support what your plants are capable of yielding. Why? Because none of those products incorporate the correct NPK values that support leaf health. Your plants are doomed. For instance, a quick glance at the forum's luvchild, Cha Ching, tells me it will flat knock your leaves in the dirt. A 9-50-10 for blooming is laughable.
http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/products_solgran2.html

This kind of hype ought to raise a flag for anyone, but it doesn't: [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]

Cha Ching® creates juicy, robust fruit with essential oils and resins pumping out of stems and leaves. That means concentrated flavor and perfect texture.
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Pumping out of what? :D

Anyways, I don't have the time to go thru 20 pages of a journal but if you want, link me to a spot and I'll have a look.

YungMoolaBaby, this is not a "nutrient solution", that is a marketing cover up for a PGR that is against the law to sell over the counter. I (think I) know what's in this stuff, just checking to see if anyone else does.

UB
 
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donkey.420

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some of us CHOOSE to use these nutes. snake oil or not we believe in them ben. if thats all it takes to make us happy with our set ups then why not buy it and use it. the more things we buy, the better it is for our suffering economy. i use bm, pm and gravity myself and have seen a definate improvement with size control, bud density, and resin production. coincidence? dunno. my scales dont lie to me nor does my wallet when i'm looking at the final results. I'M PRO HUMBOLDT NUTES AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE!!!
 
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