Bums and dogs...

Hepheastus420 said:

Is that why they always try running inside? Or how they sit under a shady tree?

And how do you know the temp where srh8's dog was found?

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My dog loved the sun during the winter time, although she was an indoor and outdoor dog, we have a fenced yard so she had the choice. I don't know the temp, I don't even know what the situation really looked like, I didn't go thru all the posts but it sounded like it was more because the dog wasn't getting any exercise since he said he always saw it tied to a bike, but the guy did have a bike so maybe it was.

charface said:

Who gets to define druggie. I hope they do not decide to count cigs, beer or weed

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The obvious looking ones.

Hepheastus420 said:

And another thing that cracks me up is how you guys think of dogs like gods... You're like fuck the hobo, look at the dog.

Lets look at it a different way. I'm sure that hobo in the sympathy pic would rather be in a house, would rather be clean, and eating real food right? Well then I see nothing wrong with getting a dog off the street into better living conditions. Man, I have no idea wher some of y'all's logic comes from.


In other words, the hobo would be happy as fuck to get picked up and moved into a new home.. So would the dog.

It would just be selfish of a hobo to drag a dog down with him/her. Fuck the hobo if he/she is that selfish.

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I have more empathy for dogs and animals in general than I do humans, I can't help it. When I hear about murders, I don't really feel much but animals have such a pureness about them that I can't help but to chose them over humans.

Oh my; this thread is off to a rocky start.

I voted "undecided" because I am loath to judge the situation without having all the facts.
But I am leaning toward "no". I would have left the pair together.

I would be very leery of simply taking anyone's pet without mutual consent.
Iirc the homeless guy in the previous thread was not an obvious drunk or druggie.
So it is possible that the benefit to the guy exceeded the hardship on the dog.
Also, as a general moral principle ... humans first! I do not subscribe to the PETA or "deep ecology" mentality that places "natural" creatures ahead of humans in value and dignity. Guess I'm a human chauvinist, which is odd for a bear. cn

I don't see anything rocky, looking smooth (pun).

That is what dogs are meant for, to keep us company and like I said in the other thread, it could be the only thing keeping the guy sane.

Trolling said:

I don't see anything rocky, looking smooth (pun).

That is what dogs are meant for, to keep us company and like I said in the other thread, it could be the only thing keeping the guy sane.

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That, and having no guilt about disappearing the yucky food under the table when Mom wasn't looking. cn

Oh yeah, they're awesome garbage disposals. I never scrape anything in the trash, I eat what's on the plate and let them lick it clean, no need to rinse.

pay the bum to have sex with the dog, then take the dog on the pretense that it is being abused. bum has some dough, and you have a legitimate reason to take the dog.

problem?

This is a great topic but I agree we need more facts.

First off in his OP srh stated he had seen the dog tied up to the guys bike every NIGHT, I just read the entire thread and I didn't see a post where srh said the dog baked in the sun. If so, can someone please give me a post number, I must have missed it. But if not this was an assumption someone threw out there. Who knows, during the day maybe the guy takes the dog to a shaded dog park with a water source? That dog just doesn't look in that bad of shape for the living conditions being described, mainly by others, while srh just curses everybody. There's too many holes in this story for me.

But I do want to add, srh, if that dogs conditions were that bad and he was abused then I do think you did the right thing, to a point. I believe you should have worked out a deal with the man or let the SPCA deal with it and adopt it from them. At least let the man say goodbye to his only and best friend.

imchucky666 said:

OK, let's look at it another way. the dog has no choice persay, whether he gets a "home" or not. I see what you mean, nobody ever WANTS to be a streetperson, but people have many more options to eat or keep out of the weather. I don't think a person that sits holding a sign is trying to better or help themselves, but an animal will approach people, find other animals, even go through garbage cans trying to survive. If you translate people/dog, I think the dog is trying harder than the people.

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The dog is being forced to live in those conditions. He'd have a better chance of survival if he wasn't being tied up to a basket in the sun.

I see how you believe dogs try much harder than people but that's not the point. My point is that I'm pretty sure the dog loves his new place and any street dog would love to be put in a new place with better living conditions.. Much like a homeless person would.

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My dog loved the sun during the winter time, although she was an indoor and outdoor dog, we have a fenced yard so she had the choice. I don't know the temp, I don't even know what the situation really looked like, I didn't go thru all the posts but it sounded like it was more because the dog wasn't getting any exercise since he said he always saw it tied to a bike, but the guy did have a bike so maybe it was.


The obvious looking ones.

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H8 said that the dog was tied up in the sun. To me, that sounds less like happy funtime sunbathing and more like suffering in the sun lol.

Have you ever worked in the sun for a real job.. like construction? The last thing you want to do is be out in the sun. H8's dog was living in the sun all day everyday. The last thing the pup wants is to be out in the sun again.
Now lets take your dog. Your dog is inside all day. It gets a little boring and everything likes to be outside in the sun when you've been indoors all day. Of course your dog will be happy in the sun.
It's like how indoor dogs will bolt out the door when it's open and an outdoor dog would bolt inside when the door is open.

Just saying that the dog probably LOVES the new ac. And I'm pretty sure the pup would choose to be inside than outside. An easy way to test that would be to put the pup outside and leave the door open. We all know what the pup would do.

Trolling said:

I have more empathy for dogs and animals in general than I do humans, I can't help it. When I hear about murders, I don't really feel much but animals have such a pureness about them that I can't help but to chose them over humans.

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They bark and start fights with every dog they see.. Imagine if humans were like that. Shit, they also bark at every human that walks by. If people did that, there would be wayy more murders.

Dogs hump their brothers and sisters. We'd have much more inbred humans if we did that.

I don't see them as pure at all.. Just regular animals like us.

cannabineer said:

Oh my; this thread is off to a rocky start.

I voted "undecided" because I am loath to judge the situation without having all the facts.
But I am leaning toward "no". I would have left the pair together.

I would be very leery of simply taking anyone's pet without mutual consent.
Iirc the homeless guy in the previous thread was not an obvious drunk or druggie.
So it is possible that the benefit to the guy exceeded the hardship on the dog.
Also, as a general moral principle ... humans first! I do not subscribe to the PETA or "deep ecology" mentality that places "natural" creatures ahead of humans in value and dignity. Guess I'm a human chauvinist, which is odd for a bear. cn

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Like I said, we don't have any facts. So why lean towards no? I'd rather take h8's word for it because he knows more about the situation than me and you.

I don't believe the hobo simply wanting the dog justifies making the dog live in bad conditions. I say fuck the hobo if he wants to drag the puppy down into the streets with him. If he really loved the puppy, I'm sure he would be glad that the puppy is in a better place now. If he didn't love the puppy, then good job h8.. You just took the puppy from a bad owner. Either way, I believe h8 made the right choice.

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I don't see anything rocky, looking smooth (pun).

That is what dogs are meant for, to keep us company and like I said in the other thread, it could be the only thing keeping the guy sane.

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My mind would be more at ease knowing my pup is in better hands than mine.

KDiaz said:

This is a great topic but I agree we need more facts.

First off in his OP srh stated he had seen the dog tied up to the guys bike every NIGHT, I just read the entire thread and I didn't see a post where srh said the dog baked in the sun. If so, can someone please give me a post number, I must have missed it. But if not this was an assumption someone threw out there. Who knows, during the day maybe the guy takes the dog to a shaded dog park with a water source? That dog just doesn't look in that bad of shape for the living conditions being described, mainly by others, while srh just curses everybody. There's too many holes in this story for me.

But I do want to add, srh, if that dogs conditions were that bad and he was abused then I do think you did the right thing, to a point. I believe you should have worked out a deal with the man or let the SPCA deal with it and adopt it from them. At least let the man say goodbye to his only and best friend.

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srh8 was talking to me about the dog days before he grabbed it. He's mentioned the sun part before to me. I just assumed he said it again within his arguments.

Why get the SPCA involved? Either way the dog would be taken from the dude and h8 would still have the dog. The way h8 did it just moved the process along quicker.

You gotta admit that the dog is probably LOVING the new pplace though, right? Like I said, you think the hobo would want to be out on the street or in a house? The same answer can be safely applied to the pups situation.

Why am I arguing this?

I'm gonna go look at ponies.

I'd kill the bum and eat the dog. Everybody wins.

Stealing is wrong.

Hepheastus420 said:

H8 said that the dog was tied up in the sun. To me, that sounds less like happy funtime sunbathing and more like suffering in the sun lol.

Have you ever worked in the sun for a real job.. like construction? The last thing you want to do is be out in the sun. H8's dog was living in the sun all day everyday. The last thing the pup wants is to be out in the sun again.
Now lets take your job. Your dog is inside all day. It gets a little boring and everything likes to be outside in the sun when you've been indoors all day. Of course your dog will be happy in the sun.
It's like how indoor dogs will bolt out the door when it's open and an outdoor dog would bolt inside when the door is open.

Just saying that the dog probably LOVES the new ac. And I'm pretty sure the pup would choose to be inside than outside. An easy way to test that would be to put the pup outside and leave the door open. We all know what the pup would do.

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Well like I said, I only skimed thru the pages and we don't know the entire situation from start to finish so we yes we have to take his word for it. I've worked in the sun all day when I wad at my grandpa's when I was younger. Dogs are pretty tuff animals too and are used to being outside all day (instinctively), even tougher than humans when traveling long distances. Now Srh isn't around the guy and dog 24/7 so he doesn't know for sure, I mean the guy did have a bike after all but then again I believe I seen him mentioning the guy had mental problems about rambling and shit. This is why I'm stuck...digs are tough enough to go thru what that guy goes thru easily if not easier. The dog was alive and well but had fleas all over and wasn't being bathed so in the end, it was prolly more of having something to talk with (rambler) and prollt treated like that and nothing more. So maybe he did make the right choice after all based on all this.

Hepheastus420 said:

They bark and start fights with every dog they see.. Imagine if humans were like that. Shit, they also bark at every human that walks by. If people did that, there would be wayy more murders.

Dogs hump their brothers and sisters. We'd have much more inbred humans if we did that.

I don't see them as pure at all.. Just regular animals like us.

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My dogs never were/are like that, around the house he's of course but the domesticated dogs are only as good or mean to their environment as much as the owner (the human) trains and treats them. So it still comes back to us, it be the human's fault. About them humping their brothers and sisters, you can't really mean that comparing to our way of thought (religion and what not).

This is a question that goes along with our individual morals and whatever. You think it's wrong (in general, not you trolling) and I think it's right. Neither sides have facts and there's no legal troubles involved.

You guys think it's stealing at I think it's saving.

I'm gonna go steal a pony.

I've owned dogs all my life and have two presently, that being said, I'm a dog person. If by some horrible twist of fate I found myself on the street I guarantee they would eat before me and I would make them as comfortable as I possibly could. I don't know all the facts so I will not vote but I will say if I was in that position and felt that strongly about it I would offer to buy the dog off the man, if he declined and I was convinced that the animal was suffering I would contact the humane society. I don't think it's fair or morally correct to steal another persons dog because you can give it a better home, there is more to a bond between animal and human than air conditioning, besides my dogs love to bake in the sun on the back deck. I live in an area where there are a lot of punk/squeegee/homeless people with dogs, they are well cared for and loved......



I asked permission to take this shot and gave him some $$ to get something for him and the dog....