Buds forming correctly ? or maybe pollinated

Turanchalaspider

Turanchalaspider

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Hi guys I am running 7 ladies in a 3m x 2.5 x 2.5m tent with two 600w hps in cool tubes , one 1100w dimmable gavita type open hps and two 600w viperspectra led’s , my temps are always around 25”oc with lights on and 21 oc with lights off . It is the first day of week 5 I’m in coco hydro mix 60/40 clay pebbles and coco , water once a day with a e.c of 1.4 at present . Drain to waste . Ph 6 always , running canna coco line a and b cannazyme , pk 13/14 ,canna boost . 60 ml of canna a 60 of canna b 30ml pk 90 ml of canna boost to a 50 litre tank .Now here is my problem , I found a hermie at around week 1 / 2 of flower and removed it but now I am paranoid as a couple of my ladies are not getting A’s frosty as the others and the bud structure does not look right to me (long skinny and not fattening out like the others ) now I’ve checked the calaxys and I have found the ovules attaches to the pistils which I thought at first was seeds but they are hollow tiny little green balls which from researching I am 80 % sure they are ovules not seeds . Also another problem may be they are a bit dark green maybe high on N ? Will this effect the formation ? Thank you​
 

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macsnax

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They look normal, not pollinated. And you're doing a bang up job for your first go at it. Maybe back off the N just a touch. But keep doing what you're doing and you should see some good results.
 
Turanchalaspider

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Thanks :cool: but how do I cut back on the N because I think the a and the b both contain N along with everything else they need . What about if I gave it like a quarter strength of a and b then full strength pk boost ? Ideally I would like to starve them until they have used up all the excess nutes but do you think this is risky being at week 5 when everything is full motion ? I have only ever gave them a little more than half the recomended dose and my runoff is the same ec as I am putting in (1.4)
 
macsnax

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I would just drop to a 1. 2ec, seems to be the sweet spot for most plants. I would also forget about flushing, it's an old hippy myth more than anything. A more proper term should be leeching. When we apply plant biology, flushing doesn't make sense anymore. What really happens when you flush, is the buds pull nutes out of the leaves. They still get nutes when flushing. The real secret to good tasting buds is in the dry/cure process.
 
Turanchalaspider

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Thanks for the advice guys I think starve was a bit dramatic word I meant underfeed so what ever was needed hopefully mostly the nitrogen would then be taken from the excess of it which seems to be in them all kind of dark green and some even thin at the end slightly clawed . I have two gelato strains what are not I the pic but they have reached enormous stretch nearly touching the roof of the tent but the bud sights are far apart not stacked and even these monsters look darkish green . I suppose I want to really ask is will nitrogen toxicity reduce yield or potency . Either way I am going to cut down to 0.9 ec for 3 days to a see if there will be a change . Also I have a pk powder boost called dense which I may add in with canna pk 13/14 the sense is 0.0.65 in npk ratio x
 
macsnax

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Turanchalaspider said:
Thanks for the advice guys I think starve was a bit dramatic word I meant underfeed so what ever was needed hopefully mostly the nitrogen would then be taken from the excess of it which seems to be in them all kind of dark green and some even thin at the end slightly clawed . I have two gelato strains what are not I the pic but they have reached enormous stretch nearly touching the roof of the tent but the bud sights are far apart not stacked and even these monsters look darkish green . I suppose I want to really ask is will nitrogen toxicity reduce yield or potency . Either way I am going to cut down to 0.9 ec for 3 days to a see if there will be a change . Also I have a pk powder boost called dense which I may add in with canna pk 13/14 the sense is 0.0.65 in npk ratio x
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I don't think you're so far over on N that your going to have issues. But chopping with it looking that green will make it hard to get the chlorophyll out of the buds. You're doing pretty good. Just remember less is more and don't over love em.
 
macsnax

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Turanchalaspider said:
When is a safe time to defoliate for more light penetrationaside from the obvious veg stage which I missed :/
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Ya like vert said, don't try to do too much yet. And you're too late for proper defoliation. Timing is everthing when doing defoliation. A lot of times I see new growers wanting to try all kinds of things. The problem with that is once there's a problem, it's hard to diagnose. There's far too many variables after too much has been done. I would just get your feed right and let these finish. While they're finishing, you have plenty of time to figure out your next run, different methods you want to try etc.
 
macsnax

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Turanchalaspider said:
It’s more the calaxys on some of them when I opened em I seen two little tiny hollow green balls attached to the pistills but as I said when I researched this it seems to be ovuals
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That's normal, so are calyx's that alone on the main and side branches leading up to budsites. Usually the calyx's on the main that are at internodes are the ones that show during veg, indicating the plant is mature.
 
Turanchalaspider

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But inside the calaxys has tiny green ball shape hollow things , can anyone point me to some advice on ovules as I can only find one post from years ago which the person opened up numerous calaxys from around the plant ie on buds and from the first stem calaxys and they said it is where the pistills stem from and it does not mean you have seeds in bud , they say it is like the embryo that the seed would grow in . Anyways thank you again great info .
 
OldMedUser

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Turanchalaspider said:
But inside the calaxys has tiny green ball shape hollow things , can anyone point me to some advice on ovules as I can only find one post from years ago which the person opened up numerous calaxys from around the plant ie on buds and from the first stem calaxys and they said it is where the pistills stem from and it does not mean you have seeds in bud , they say it is like the embryo that the seed would grow in . Anyways thank you again great info .
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All the calyxes have that little embryo in them and it stays like that unless pollination occurs. You want to watch for 'nanners and tehy can be hard to spot. Often the first sign is a little white or yellow dust on a leaf below the 'nanner(s)

'nanners are the pollen producing insides of a male flower which is usually enclosed in membrane that splits open when ripe. With hermie plants there is no membrane and just the 'nanners which resemble a bunch of bananas.

This is an example of 'nanners.

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And these are regular male flowers from a Kali Mist grow from ages ago.

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Turanchalaspider

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Thanks for that information I don’t see anything like that but when I open a calax ( one with the two pistols coming out of ) there are tiny green hollow balls soooo tiny and hollow like miniature seeds or more like a embryo what a seed would grow in , now I don’t know if these are the beginning of seed or an embryo but they are in every calax and I assume they are attached to the two sex showing pistils . Has anyone ever opened up a calax to see or is there like an anotomy showing this because I have only seen one post on another site from years ago where a person had the same question / problem and the result at the end of the grow was not pollinated they confirmed it was embryo type of balls , these are like one third of the size of a seed or smaller and hollow to just like the calax itself aside from having these in there .
 
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