Breeding with Feminized plants

Ok, so Ive done tons of searching around forums to find out if anyone out there has done serious experimentation with crossing feminized seeds that were created by selfing female plants using colloidal silver. I am interested in crossing some clone only strains which I have produced seeds from by using CS, but I would like to stabilize the seeds first by growing them out, selecting out the a female with desired traits similar to the original mother, and selfing it again. I figured after the S2 or S3 of a few different strains, I could then start crossing the different S2 or S3 strains of course by using CS, and hopefully not have too many phenotypes to choose from. Has anyone done anything like this before? I know all of the negative views on selfing and risks of hermies, I just hear a lot of hypotheticals, but see no proof. I know the vigor would go down by continuing to self the same strain, which is why I would outcross the 3rd generation with another S3 in hopes of rejuvenating the vigor. PLease let me know your thoughts and experiences, thank you.

Really? No one has experience with this? Am i gonna be the FIRST?! This is kind of exciting

I'll be interested to see the results.

Multi-generation fem breeding is a much more interesting idea than the simple production of all-female seeds.

i have read alot about this but still havnt tried to do it, let us know how it goes for ya.

I dont think many of us have done it. Im sure weve all thought about it. I kno i have. Id go in a slightly different direction but i wish you the best. Post lots of pics and documentation. Go down in history son, be the NExt subcool or NUgbuckets

OK. I will document for the sake of making history. For everyones information I have already produced fem seeds from a blue dream plant I sprayed with collodoidal silver (50 ppm). I had harvested the seeds from the plant about 2 weeks ago, but after trying to germinate 3 seeds and only one popping open, Im going to wait one extra week before germinating all 80 or so seeds I harvested from the BD so the seeds become more viable. I've also taken cuttings from quite a few different strains, most of which have started rooting. What Im gonna do is root those out, then flower them while spraying colloidal silver 2 weeks prior to flowering there mothers which I currently have under 1000 watts. This will allow plenty of time for the CS sprayed clones to get pollen so I can use it on their flowering mothers with plenty of time to allow for seeds to mature. The strains Im doing this with is 5 different Rocklock clones from 5 different seeds(which I haven't done progeny testing with yet), Caribe, Blackberry Kush x Bubba Kush, Black Domina(purple pheno), J1(Jack Herer x Skunk), I also have purple gorilla clones from the same mother, 2 clones I am throwing outside and flowering while spraying CS for about a week, then I will start to flower out 2 other purple gorilla clones and self those. I will keep everyone posted on the status of the germinating Blue dream fem seeds and the other CS multistrain project. Feel free to give feedback on technique and any experience you have with this stuff. It will most likely take at least a year Im thinking before I get a fairly stable fem, but I really want to see if crossing the fem can cut away from the much needed time to stabilize regular strains using males, which I know can take like 7 generations. cheers!

Ive grown the rocklock before. Good stuff. I never found anything flavorful but it was easy to grow, yielded ok, and got better the longer it cured. As if the smoke got thicker, I cant explain it. I wish you the best though. Keep us posted

I'd look into the effects of inbreeding before you start your journey. You might stop before you start. You will have some heavily heavily inbred plants doing this. Chances are not in your favor of creating a good line doing this... good luck.

OGEvilgenius said:

I'd look into the effects of inbreeding before you start your journey. You might stop before you start. You will have some heavily heavily inbred plants doing this. Chances are not in your favor of creating a good line doing this... good luck.

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link?

Inbreeding marijuana is how your favorite strain/variety was made.


I did some auto crosses, the link is in my sig.
I am not really interested in back crossing them etc.

I am working on some crosses in my veg room.
What I am focusing on now is making seeds of one variety and crossing it with one other at the same time.
When I have more seeds than Amsterdam I will start trying to stabilize crosses.

In my autos, the Lowryder2 x Super Lemon Haze plants and the Lowryder2 x Autoberry plants are all exactly the same so far.
They are like clones.

I know inbreeding is bad if done too much, which is why outcrossing is important to bring back that vigor. I figured if i stabilized two different fem strains then crossed them, i would get the vigor back. I was also going to try backcrossing the fem seed to its mother and see if that results in better offspring the inbreeding the femmed plants. Wouldnt u get hybrid vigor by crossing 2 different fem strains?

Trousers, im very interested to see how your crosses turn out, perhaps because you are dealing with stable strains, you r not seeing very much variety in the offspring, i however am working with unstable hybrids and i need to stabilize because i am an outdoor medical grower so i have limited plants i can grow big so i dont want them to be duds. Id very much like to see the results of your crosses.

So far all the lowryder2 x autoberry are the same. They all have that weird little pointy calyxs that the lr2 have, but a bit more fruit smell. (The lr2 had a spicy, pepper smell) I'll be picking the slr2 x autoberry in the next few days.

The lr2 x super lemon haze plants are all the same too, so far.

The slh had two phenos that I observed, a dark and a light.
I don't know if they will express that way in the crosses, it was not much of a difference besides color.
I haven't grow the autoberry by itself, so I can't speak to how stable it is. Obviously the lr2 is very stable, that is one of the reasons I picked it for the shemale.

I am not an auto guy, I decided to make a seed crop so friends could put a seed in a pot and not screw it up. Autos are very forgiving.
I can also grow two autos at a time and get about 3 crops in outside, maybe 4 with my greenhouse. I ended up giving away a lot of my auto weed.


I am very interested to see how fem crosses work. If my pollen was not too late, I have some blueberry and island sweet skunk going now. I am curious how two stable strains like that will cross.

If I was too late getting the pollen on the ISS, oh well, I fail on seeds and have a bunch of really good weed.
That is what is great, you can't fail.

When started the auto seed crop the haters on another site came out of the woodwork to tell me how it wouldn't work. Most of them, when pressed, would say, "That is what I heard."

Don't listen to those douchenozzles.

While I welcome constructive criticism, the "rumor knowledge" is garbage. No one knows what is going on except those that have bred and/or created seed crops. Shit, I know very little about breeding itself.

This whole producing fem seeds deal is new to me. My veg room (3'x3'x4.5') is now my seed crop room.

I'll be breeding for the next 5-7 grows.No CS tho since that shit is harmful to humans.

ummm proof??? it is usedas a nutritional supplement to boost imune system and heal the body of infection people been useing it since 4000bc. thats where that old saying grew up with a silver spoon came from because the silver prevented infection... thats why the persians drank out of silver ligned pitchers

HotShot7414 said:

I'll be breeding for the next 5-7 grows.No CS tho since that shit is harmful to humans.

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oyvaydude said:

Ok, so Ive done tons of searching around forums to find out if anyone out there has done serious experimentation with crossing feminized seeds that were created by selfing female plants using colloidal silver. I am interested in crossing some clone only strains which I have produced seeds from by using CS, but I would like to stabilize the seeds first by growing them out, selecting out the a female with desired traits similar to the original mother, and selfing it again. I figured after the S2 or S3 of a few different strains, I could then start crossing the different S2 or S3 strains of course by using CS, and hopefully not have too many phenotypes to choose from. Has anyone done anything like this before? I know all of the negative views on selfing and risks of hermies, I just hear a lot of hypotheticals, but see no proof. I know the vigor would go down by continuing to self the same strain, which is why I would outcross the 3rd generation with another S3 in hopes of rejuvenating the vigor. PLease let me know your thoughts and experiences, thank you.

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Talk about a dead thread

Any Results to share with us ???

& Using Fems too much can cause problems but that's usually many generations down the line .

As a Breeder myself I'd like to see your Progress

HotShot7414 said:

I'll be breeding for the next 5-7 grows.No CS tho since that shit is harmful to humans.

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CS harmful to Humans ?

Funny

I Used it During Cancer Treatment & was Recommended by my Doctor at The Harold Alfond Cancer center

He Also happens to be one of the best cancer docs in the country

I'm not dead & CS is Actually VERY Beneficial to Humans

OGEvilgenius said:

I'd look into the effects of inbreeding before you start your journey. You might stop before you start. You will have some heavily heavily inbred plants doing this. Chances are not in your favor of creating a good line doing this... good luck.

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I realise this is a dead thread back from the grave but I thought it worth pointing out there's a big difference between inbreeding & inbreeding depression. Usually inbreeding is used to stabalise unique traits into new breeding stock. Outbreeding creates interesting new stock to stabalise to find unique traits in. The two should go hand in hand in proper breeding.

oyvaydude said:

Ok, so Ive done tons of searching around forums to find out if anyone out there has done serious experimentation with crossing feminized seeds that were created by selfing female plants using colloidal silver. I am interested in crossing some clone only strains which I have produced seeds from by using CS, but I would like to stabilize the seeds first by growing them out, selecting out the a female with desired traits similar to the original mother, and selfing it again. I figured after the S2 or S3 of a few different strains, I could then start crossing the different S2 or S3 strains of course by using CS, and hopefully not have too many phenotypes to choose from. Has anyone done anything like this before? I know all of the negative views on selfing and risks of hermies, I just hear a lot of hypotheticals, but see no proof. I know the vigor would go down by continuing to self the same strain, which is why I would outcross the 3rd generation with another S3 in hopes of rejuvenating the vigor. PLease let me know your thoughts and experiences, thank you.

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I want to cross Green Crack and Memory Loss this same way.

deana.wells said:

I want to cross Green Crack and Memory Loss this same way.

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This is an old topic like over ten years.

But I can say the idea won’t work out in my opinion. Too long winded and the selfing of clone crosses won’t create stability.

The clone crosses when selfed will fall apart back to combinations of what they were made of and look completely different from your original clones.
Green crack is a hybrid.
Memory Loss is a hybrid.
Crossing two hybrids together makes a multi hybrid.
Selfing multi hybrids together will go all over the place.
You would just be better off making the cross both ways.
GC x ML
ML x GC
Then when you run the resulting beans of both crosses you will see which way worked the best for your tastes. Then run the best version of the cross to find three of the same phenotype you like and then self those back to either GC or ML.
Doing a feminised back cross to one of the original clones will be heaps better than S generations that would be unpredictable and pointless.
I’d imagine you’d want to do a back cross to green crack for the smell and would be crossing memory loss into green crack to make it stronger?

HenryTheEighth said:

This is an old topic like over ten years.

But I can say the idea won’t work out in my opinion. Too long winded and the selfing of clone crosses won’t create stability.

The clone crosses when selfed will fall apart back to combinations of what they were made of and look completely different from your original clones.
Green crack is a hybrid.
Memory Loss is a hybrid.
Crossing two hybrids together makes a multi hybrid.
Selfing multi hybrids together will go all over the place.
You would just be better off making the cross both ways.
GC x ML
ML x GC
Then when you run the resulting beans of both crosses you will see which way worked the best for your tastes. Then run the best version of the cross to find three of the same phenotype you like and then self those back to either GC or ML.
Doing a feminised back cross to one of the original clones will be heaps better than S generations that would be unpredictable and pointless.
I’d imagine you’d want to do a back cross to green crack for the smell and would be crossing memory loss into green crack to make it stronger?

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Or work them into stable lines individually and then cross them.