Boomer's 2400w Sour Grape GrowOp w/ ScrOG & CO2

BooMeR242 · Dec 21, 2009

Bob Smith said:
Subbed; we have a lot of the same gizmos (Sentinel, etc.), and I'm planning an expansion to 4 600s covering 3x3 trays in an 8x8 room.

Fate must've wanted me to find this thread

EDIT: this thread https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/267630-preferred-cloning-methods-poll.html has a lot of good cloning info - I'm currently running a test between cloning in E&F in hydroton vs. rapid rooters in a humidity dome.

haha ya i feel the same way with certain threads i come across. ur setup soudns similar to wat im lookin for eventually. check out #1raiderfans grow its clean and similar to ur setup. also jackmayoffer has a huge setup w/ 8 1000w hps with i think 4x4 tables and co2. not sure wat all. hes scroging too. glad u could join as well

BooMeR242 · Dec 21, 2009

went down to the happy coral THC collective in westminster where my friend tina works and ive been dealin with the manager there for a while now. hes been consulting me as well with his 4 years of vending experience and hes been growin fora long ass time and workin at the collectives. but anyways he went over my recipe i got from my guys at greencoast hydro and he advise sum other shit to check out. we discussed the grow style setup design etc. eveerything sounds good to him for starting off conservative and gettin the climate down and feedings. was gonna pik up sum blue dream clones and get mothers rollin too but he said its not as rare. i also got to read the specs from teh oaksterdam catalog and see a sample of a fresh 7 day dried sour grape. smelled great! just like grape juice. the nug was bright green. very unique so im stoked.

the sour grape is a threeway cross hybrid of;

purple elephant x chemdog x sour diesel

7-8 week flowering time. medium-tall plant heighth.

he said they had great success feeding it strong nutes but started with half strentgh. also respoinded well to weaving in scrog trellis.

were gonna put all 6 containers squished together in the middle of the sceen under the lamp and weave/train them to veg thru the screen. prob veg for 3-4 weeks til the screen is almost filled out. he said i can get away with doin the net really low and just train it the whole time. so maybe lik 8-10" above it. also he said to use the pinch method on the main branch to train it. not top my clones or even my mothers. just to avoid as much stress as possible.

so ill pinch the main stalk and let the two side shoots catch up then pinch them and keep that method goin til even canopy and successful weaving coverage is acheived. i think thats about it. been a long as day haha

baggednismo · Dec 21, 2009

Sounds awesome boomer, wish i had a weed consultant lol not here in the big apple... legally that is...

grow is looking great thus far keep it up!

lol and the birthmark, its cute and all but there is something about a women who *by the picture* is virtually unmarked with a big sick fuckin tattoo. I would almost set that shit as my background if i didnt have an odd feeling shes your wife...

anyhow was happy that it was only 11 pages to catch up :-)

you can include me for the proceedings

BooMeR242 · Dec 21, 2009

baggednismo said:
Sounds awesome boomer, wish i had a weed consultant lol not here in the big apple... legally that is...

grow is looking great thus far keep it up!

lol and the birthmark, its cute and all but there is something about a women who *by the picture* is virtually unmarked with a big sick fuckin tattoo. I would almost set that shit as my background if i didnt have an odd feeling shes your wife...

anyhow was happy that it was only 11 pages to catch up you can include me for the proceedings

haha well u wouldnt be the first to admit using it as a bakdrop so no worries.
but glad u could hop on. should be easy reading most of it is jsut discussion theories methods etc. maybe itll help u as well in the big apple haha. were all weed consultants on here regardless setup experience etc. sum advice just is better then others lol. but like GT reminded me about wat hodgegrown said; "its just a weed..." so true. :weed:

jigfresh · Dec 21, 2009

BooMeR242 said:
went down to the happy coral THC collective in westminster where my friend tina works and ive been dealin with the manager there for a while now. hes been consulting me as well with his 4 years of vending experience and hes been growin fora long ass time and workin at the collectives. but anyways he went over my recipe i got from my guys at greencoast hydro and he advise sum other shit to check out. we discussed the grow style setup design etc. eveerything sounds good to him for starting off conservative and gettin the climate down and feedings. was gonna pik up sum blue dream clones and get mothers rollin too but he said its not as rare. i also got to read the specs from teh oaksterdam catalog and see a sample of a fresh 7 day dried sour grape. smelled great! just like grape juice. the nug was bright green. very unique so im stoked.

the sour grape is a threeway cross hybrid of;

purple elephant x chemdog x sour diesel

7-8 week flowering time. medium-tall plant heighth.

he said they had great success feeding it strong nutes but started with half strentgh. also respoinded well to weaving in scrog trellis.

were gonna put all 6 containers squished together in the middle of the sceen under the lamp and weave/train them to veg thru the screen. prob veg for 3-4 weeks til the screen is almost filled out. he said i can get away with doin the net really low and just train it the whole time. so maybe lik 8-10" above it. also he said to use the pinch method on the main branch to train it. not top my clones or even my mothers. just to avoid as much stress as possible.

so ill pinch the main stalk and let the two side shoots catch up then pinch them and keep that method goin til even canopy and successful weaving coverage is acheived. i think thats about it. been a long as day haha

Boomer... I would have to agree with most of this. I would not top this girl. She's not so much a stretcher, so I wouldn't want to slow things down. I would also agree with 8" screen height again becuse the lack of stretch... the heigher the screen the more time to get the plants to it.

I would agree with the flowering time. My girl is going to have all her main buds ready on exactly 8 full weeks of 12/12. She started showing flowers a week after 12/12. And yes on Med height.

I am super excited to know it's a 3 way cross. I thought it was SD x PE... Sour Diesel is my favorite and Chem dog is pretty much tied for second. How awesome.

About the nutes, my ppms never really got higher than 1100... and that was when the plants drank the mix down. It would always start around 800-900... and the girls wouldn't use that. You can tell becuase the ppm goes up and the water gets drank. I'm not disagreeing with giving them strong nutes... but I don't think my girl ever needed/ wanted them.

Great info. I'm really glad we got eachother to bounce it off of.

:peace:

BooMeR242 · Dec 21, 2009

jigfresh said:
Boomer... I would have to agree with most of this. I would not top this girl. She's not so much a stretcher, so I wouldn't want to slow things down. I would also agree with 8" screen height again becuse the lack of stretch... the heigher the screen the more time to get the plants to it.

I would agree with the flowering time. My girl is going to have all her main buds ready on exactly 8 full weeks of 12/12. She started showing flowers a week after 12/12. And yes on Med height.

I am super excited to know it's a 3 way cross. I thought it was SD x PE... Sour Diesel is my favorite and Chem dog is pretty much tied for second. How awesome.

About the nutes, my ppms never really got higher than 1100... and that was when the plants drank the mix down. It would always start around 800-900... and the girls wouldn't use that. You can tell becuase the ppm goes up and the water gets drank. I'm not disagreeing with giving them strong nutes... but I don't think my girl ever needed/ wanted them.

Great info. I'm really glad we got eachother to bounce it off of.

ya im hopin we all can benefit from each others info experiment etc. im still not sure bout the nutes cuz his interpetation of lots of nutes could still b 1000-1200ppm so ill double check with him later. but we will def see how it works out. i just wanna get these bitches in flwoer already haha

still jealous ure ahead of me i want a smoke report and want a list of ur nutes ure using if u ever get around to it PM me or post it on here for everyone if ud like i d appreciate it

jigfresh · Dec 21, 2009

BooMeR242 said:
want a list of ur nutes ure using if u ever get around to it PM me or post it on here for everyone if ud like i d appreciate it

I started from rooted clones.

Here's my arsenal:

RO water - ppm ~10.
Dutch Master = DM

Veg: ppm: 400-600

DM - Advance Grow A + B
DM - Max Grow
DM - Silica
DM - Zone
Botanicare - Cal Mag Plus

Switch to 12/12: ppm: 80-100

Humboldt County's Own - Bushmaster

Flowering (week 1-5): ppm: 800-1100

DM - Advance Flower A + B
DM - Potash +
DM - Max Flower
DM - Silica
DM - Zone
BC - Cal-Mag Plus

Flowering (week 6 or 3 weeks away from harvest): ppm: 120-150

HCO - Gravity
DM - Max Flower
DM - Zone

Flush (week 7-8 or Final 2 weeks): ppm: 20-80

RO water
DM - Zone

I can get into more detail or explain anything you want partner, and I have no problem posting it all for the world to benefit from.

:peace:

BooMeR242 · Dec 21, 2009

thanks bro i appreciate it im just gonna cross ref ur list with my two recipes and see wat mite work out for me best

jigfresh · Dec 21, 2009

BooMeR242 said:
thanks bro i appreciate it im just gonna cross ref ur list with my two recipes and see wat mite work out for me best

I forgot to say... If you do go the Dutch Master route... they have a new line that is supposed to be bomb.

You want Gold Grow and Flower, instead of Advance Grow and Flower,

And Add 2.7, instead of Max Grow and Flower.

And with the gold line you DONT NEED the Potash+.

No matter what I would check out DM - Zone and DM - Silica, whatever nutrient brand you use.

wonderblunder · Dec 22, 2009

Sounds like you are doing your homework Boomer. Got me all motivated to do mine now. Thats great you have people to talk to about it. My dispensary thinks I am a madman after several encounters in there. They don't really like answering questions. Unfortunately in my medical state there has been some debate on our medicine. City and County attorneys are getting pissed in some areas, and have even placed 6 month ban on dispensaries in order give time to produce a strict and more "black and white" law regarding medicine and dispensaries. For several months we could purchase meds at any dispensary in town, and with our county attorney being a fuckhead, the dispensaries have no choice but to sell to "their" patients only. Nice you have the option. Really cool you hit up 50 dispensaries. Good head on those shoulders.

Drella · Dec 22, 2009

BooMeR242 said:
went down to the happy coral THC collective in westminster where my friend tina works and ive been dealin with the manager there for a while now. hes been consulting me as well with his 4 years of vending experience and hes been growin fora long ass time and workin at the collectives. but anyways he went over my recipe i got from my guys at greencoast hydro and he advise sum other shit to check out. we discussed the grow style setup design etc. eveerything sounds good to him for starting off conservative and gettin the climate down and feedings. was gonna pik up sum blue dream clones and get mothers rollin too but he said its not as rare. i also got to read the specs from teh oaksterdam catalog and see a sample of a fresh 7 day dried sour grape. smelled great! just like grape juice. the nug was bright green. very unique so im stoked.

the sour grape is a threeway cross hybrid of;

purple elephant x chemdog x sour diesel

7-8 week flowering time. medium-tall plant heighth.

he said they had great success feeding it strong nutes but started with half strentgh. also respoinded well to weaving in scrog trellis.

were gonna put all 6 containers squished together in the middle of the sceen under the lamp and weave/train them to veg thru the screen. prob veg for 3-4 weeks til the screen is almost filled out. he said i can get away with doin the net really low and just train it the whole time. so maybe lik 8-10" above it. also he said to use the pinch method on the main branch to train it. not top my clones or even my mothers. just to avoid as much stress as possible.

so ill pinch the main stalk and let the two side shoots catch up then pinch them and keep that method goin til even canopy and successful weaving coverage is acheived. i think thats about it. been a long as day haha

glad you went with the pinch scrog method! i'd be nice if you did two diff methods. have you though of two lights scrog and two light reg fimm, possible lst if they get too tall for the room. just a thought. since you're doing perpetual, knowing all of the potential in your clones would be beneficial. the first time around, i fimmed half of my clones, just LST the other half. to each his own. you might just wanna stick to one method this time around, to be conservative. but pretty soon you're gonna have too many clones to handle, so experiments will defn be in order!

BooMeR242 · Dec 22, 2009

wonderblunder said:
Sounds like you are doing your homework Boomer. Got me all motivated to do mine now. Thats great you have people to talk to about it. My dispensary thinks I am a madman after several encounters in there. They don't really like answering questions. Unfortunately in my medical state there has been some debate on our medicine. City and County attorneys are getting pissed in some areas, and have even placed 6 month ban on dispensaries in order give time to produce a strict and more "black and white" law regarding medicine and dispensaries. For several months we could purchase meds at any dispensary in town, and with our county attorney being a fuckhead, the dispensaries have no choice but to sell to "their" patients only. Nice you have the option. Really cool you hit up 50 dispensaries. Good head on those shoulders.

damn bro sorry to hear thats rough. part of the battle tho. i do have to admit its nice being in cali with a lil more freedom to work with but i still do my homework and try to keep up on current events for future changes. we have a legalize weed prop goin on the 2010 ballot supposedly im not sure which one of three that were written up will be put on it but im not sure ill vote for it becuz the gov could just come in and take away the medical community weve been workin for to establish and just make warehouse gov grows by who knows who and it takes out the quality factor and just becomes a stamped and wrapped product like cigerrettes or watever. i just dont trust the gov to create fair and just regulations once the legalize law passes.
but bak to wat u were sayin bout talkin to the dispensaries; not all my incounters were positive. sum were shady no legal paperwork. diff demographics ages and ethnic groups running the collectives and its just confusing to be honest. i hear so many dif stories across the 3 diff counties. LA IE OC. anyways u know ure shit as well but its always good to push each other and keep us sharpened. i still dont consider myself a top grower. but its a goal to reach for. :weed:

BooMeR242 · Dec 22, 2009

Drella said:
glad you went with the pinch scrog method! i'd be nice if you did two diff methods. have you though of two lights scrog and two light reg fimm, possible lst if they get too tall for the room. just a thought. since you're doing perpetual, knowing all of the potential in your clones would be beneficial. the first time around, i fimmed half of my clones, just LST the other half. to each his own. you might just wanna stick to one method this time around, to be conservative. but pretty soon you're gonna have too many clones to handle, so experiments will defn be in order!

actually thats wat im lookin to prob do the first round. ill be doin 6 plants underneath each 600w lamp and gonna scrog regardless. but maybe do pinch and weave for one group of 6 then on the other 6 maybe try a FIM and see wat happens. im also considering trying Purple Maxx nute during flower which supposedly can turn certain strains purple so i wanna see wat happens and if its worth it,. sour grape is a beautiful boutque to me its got crazy colors as is so im not sure i wanna artificially mess with it (its supposedly organic tho not chem) but def gonna experiment alot with this new strain and find wat works for me

baggednismo · Dec 22, 2009

know some personal friends who have used the purple maxx, they all strongly recommended that i just use the plain old snow storm ultra and be done with it. mix between soil/dwc/ebb&flo none of them really liked it as much as the SSU. ohh and everyone foliar fed with it too

I dont have any personal experience with it myself yet but I bought a bottle of it when I picked up the SSU so hopefully sometime in the near future it will be used. I would like to see 2 perfect rooms using the same res but differ with PM/SSU foliar feeding.

bterz · Dec 23, 2009

K.I.S.S.

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

One part nutrients + some basic additives works best in my opinion. The Purple Maxx is great stuff but certainly wont turn your pot purple. If supposedly brings out some good colors in a lot of the pot. If you want purple pot on a non-purple strain, your best bet would be to turn down the temps. Keeping your flower room low 60s throughout the ending weeks of flower can really bring out some nice colors, SPECIALLY>> on purple strains.

BooMeR242 · Dec 23, 2009

baggednismo said:
know some personal friends who have used the purple maxx, they all strongly recommended that i just use the plain old snow storm ultra and be done with it. mix between soil/dwc/ebb&flo none of them really liked it as much as the SSU. ohh and everyone foliar fed with it too

I dont have any personal experience with it myself yet but I bought a bottle of it when I picked up the SSU so hopefully sometime in the near future it will be used. I would like to see 2 perfect rooms using the same res but differ with PM/SSU foliar feeding.

ya the purplemaxx i was told to use as a foilar. but idk if ill do it or not. maybe ill try it on one plant. and try the shit u talked about on another and leave the rest just see wats happens

BooMeR242 · Dec 23, 2009

bterz said:
K.I.S.S.

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

One part nutrients + some basic additives works best in my opinion. The Purple Maxx is great stuff but certainly wont turn your pot purple. If supposedly brings out some good colors in a lot of the pot. If you want purple pot on a non-purple strain, your best bet would be to turn down the temps. Keeping your flower room low 60s throughout the ending weeks of flower can really bring out some nice colors, SPECIALLY>> on purple strains.

haha mr. jorge cervantes over here...

i agree dont worry the recipe ive got it a lil more advanced then prob needs to be but well see. just gotta experiment. im not lookin to change the color really just thought itd be interesesting to try and see wat happens.
i perefer the all natural look :weed:

Bob Smith · Dec 23, 2009

bterz said:
K.I.S.S.

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

One part nutrients + some basic additives works best in my opinion. The Purple Maxx is great stuff but certainly wont turn your pot purple. If supposedly brings out some good colors in a lot of the pot. If you want purple pot on a non-purple strain, your best bet would be to turn down the temps. Keeping your flower room low 60s throughout the ending weeks of flower can really bring out some nice colors, SPECIALLY>> on purple strains.

Cosign on that.

I use Lucas Formula with floranova bloom, and it works like a champ.

Can't beat one bottle for veg and flower.*

* Have all kinds of free samples like bloombastic, floralicious, etc., that I've been meaning to try, but "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

baggednismo · Dec 23, 2009

Bob Smith said:
Cosign on that.

I use Lucas Formula with floranova bloom, and it works like a champ.

Can't beat one bottle for veg and flower.*

* Have all kinds of free samples like bloombastic, floralicious, etc., that I've been meaning to try, but "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

And thats really all its about, once something works for you why complicate it? you have your style dialed in, for the most part it will take a couple grows to get it almost perfect not to mention yield loss. watched many people get aggravated when making a fert switch. most after the first grow went back to what they were using before

buckd316 · Dec 23, 2009

very nice.

Boomer's 2400w Sour Grape GrowOp w/ ScrOG & CO2

What will I yield per 600w HPS lamp?

8-12ounces

13-16ounces

1 pound+

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