Bombs on the Planes

The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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doc111 said:
Historically, hijackers would hijack a plane full of people and order the plane to fly to Algeria or Libya or some other "terrorist friendly" nation, where they would usually demand the release of one of their jailed leaders or else they would blow up the plane with everyone onboard. In the past, fighting the hijackers would've normally been an automatic death sentence. If you just behaved and kept your blindfold on, you usually got to live.:blsmoke:
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Hmmmm...... Unless they had a gun, which is about impossible, you're a dumbass not to fight back.
 
THENUMBER1022

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I don't think I'd consider the historics while the plane is descending rapidly with two derka's, derking off in the cabin.
 
doc111

doc111

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The Cryptkeeper said:
Hmmmm...... Unless they had a gun, which is about impossible, you're a dumbass not to fight back.
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There have been quite a few hijackings where the hijackers had guns, grenades, bombs.........back in the day airport security wasn't so tight. Many of these 3rd world shitholes you could easily sneak shit on. All you had to do was bribe a security guard with a carton of smokes or have a "buddy" squirrel a couple of pieces away in the shitshack. To say you'd act one way while sitting at your computer in the comfort of your own home is completely different than when you're actually staring down the barrel of a gun.:shock:

http://www.stripes.com/news/navy-posthumously-promotes-sailor-killed-in-air-hijacking-1.116053?localLinksEnabled=false


Navy posthumously promotes sailor killed in air hijacking

By Erik Slavin Stars and Stripes
Published: August 26, 2010

Retired Chief Petty Officer and Navy SEAL Kenneth Stethem receives a bronzed master chief petty officer cover from chief petty officers Dan Mayfield and Jeff Kuhlman aboard the USS Stethem at Yokosuka Naval Base on Tuesday. Stethem accepted the honor on behalf of his brother and ship namesake Robert Dean Stethem, who was posthumously promoted from petty officer 2nd class to master chief petty officer during the ceremony. Robert Stethem was killed by Hezbollah hijackers aboard TWA Flight 847 as he was returning home from a deployment in 1985.
Geronimo Aquino/Courtesy of the U.S. Navy


YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — Decades after hijackers took his life, the namesake of the destroyer USS Stethem was promoted to master chief petty officer in a ceremony aboard the ship here Tuesday.
Petty Officer 2nd Class Robert Dean Stethem was posthumously promoted 25 years after Lebanese hijackers aboard TWA Flight 847 singled him out because of his military status, killing him when their demands were not met.
Stethem’s brother, retired Chief Petty Officer Kenneth Stethem, accepted the honor on Robert’s behalf, according to a Navy news release.
Months ago, the USS Stethem commander, Cmdr. Hank Adams forwarded the promotion request to the master chief petty officer of the Navy after the ship’s chiefs’ mess recommended the honor, the news release said.
Robert Stethem, 23, a Navy Seabee diver, was returning from an assignment when his flight was hijacked by Shiite Muslim extremists of Hezbollah, or “Party of God.” He was shot in the head and thrown on the tarmac at Beirut International Airport in Lebanon.
One of the hijackers, Mohammed Ali Hamadi, was arrested in 1987 at Frankfurt Airport in Germany. He was convicted in a German court of Stethem’s murder in 1989 and sentenced to life in prison with a possibility of parole after 15 years, according to The New York Times. He was released from prison in 2005
Hamadi’s release came days after a German archaeologist, Susanne Osthoff, was freed after being held by an Iraqi group. German authorities denied a link between the two events.
Three other hijackers were indicted and added to the FBI’s Most Wanted List. One of them, a high-level Hezbollah commander named Imad Moughniyah, was killed in 2008 following a bomb attack in Damascus, Syria, according to media reports.
Stethem is buried in Arlington National Cemetery.
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The Cryptkeeper

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You showed me an article of something that happened in a foreign airport ages ago? =) Please show me one that happened domestically. I'm sure there is one, I just want to see it tho.
 
doc111

doc111

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The Cryptkeeper said:
You showed me an article of something that happened in a foreign airport ages ago? =) Please show me one that happened domestically. I'm sure there is one, I just want to see it tho.
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I'm sure there were at least one or 2 but it was way more common overseas, ages ago. We are talking about 2001, that's a decade ago. Airport security had improved by this time but they were looking for bombs and guns and grenades, not box cutters so much. I'm sure the sheer horror of witnessing someone have their throat slashed in front of them might have caused most people to say to themselves "Ok, if I don't move, maybe they won't see me......" :shock: All of the hijackings up to this point had been relatively quiet, uneventful affairs (with a few notable exceptions such as the one I cited above) because the hijackers usually just wanted some frail old Imam sprung from prison. Their demands would usually be met or the plane would be stormed and the hijackers killed.

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Op-ed
Before September 11th: Air France Flight 8969

Joseph Kirschke
September 11, 2011
French special forces storming the hijacked Air France plane on Dec. 24, 1994.
The tension in the air was as thick on the tarmac of the Marseilles Provence Airport. It was Christmas 1994, and most aboard Air France Flight 8969 were anticipating spending time with families and friends after landing in Paris.
Instead, they got something much different. After four Algerian Islamic militants hijacked their plane, killed three fellow passengers and rigged the aircraft with explosives, the 229 survivors needed all the help they could get.
On the most noteworthy anniversary of September 11th, security across the United States is tight, tributes are made, and for many, the harrowing memories are hardly things of the past. Lost amid the remembrances, however, is the first bid by terrorists to transform a passenger plane into a bomb. It was narrowly averted on French soil 17 years ago, but by most accounts, it also set the stage for the destruction over lower Manhattan seven years later.
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In the early 1990s, the world was a different place—perhaps part of the reason Air France Flight 8969 flew under the radar. The Berlin Wall was still in pieces as the World Trade Center towers stood tall. And Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network, a malignant growth from U.S. support for Middle Eastern "freedom fighters" against Soviets in Afghanistan, went largely undiagnosed.
The return of such "Arab-Afghans" to Algerian society precipitated bad weather to come. From 1992 to 1999, Algeria experienced one of the most barbarous conflicts in modern North African history. The violence was often unexplained and ravenous. Estimates of the dead, mostly ordinary Algerians, has swung between 100,000 and 200,000.
On Dec. 24, 1994, as usual the proceedings were hurried at Algeria's Houari Boumedienne Airport. So it was before its departure to Paris-Orly Airport, four uniformed men checking passports aboard Flight 8969 appeared a curious, if minor, annoyance.
It was anything but after a 25-year-old named Abdul Abdullah Yahia and the others swiftly brandished machine guns and announced their allegiance to God and Algeria's Armed Islamic Group, a notoriously violent insurgent movement.
Early refusals by Algerian negotiators to let the plane fly produced dire effects: An Algerian police officer, begging for mercy in the name of his wife and child, was the first to die; a Vietnamese consular official, expecting freedom as a foreigner, was the second to be executed and dumped from the plane.
Sensitive over sovereignty, Algeria—a French colony from 1830 to 1962—initially denied France permission for its special forces to storm the plane on its own territory. But after the fundamentalists killed a third passenger, a chef from the French embassy, Algiers relented under pressure from Prime Minister Eduoard Balladur.
After a landing at Marseilles the pilot stalled for time, telling Yahia he lacked fuel to reach Paris, where he claimed they sought a press conference. Yahia then instructed the French to fill the tank with nearly 30 tons of fuel—three times the amount needed to reach the capital. These demands and Algerian intelligence intercepts made it clear the zealots' true intentions: to crash the plane in to the Eiffel Tower.
But the French had a surprise. A unit of France's National Gendarmerie Intervention Group (GIGN), unbeknownst to the radicals, had been training intensively on a similar Airbus. By the time the aircraft touched down in Marseilles, the 30-man team, having trained for hours—while exhausted—was ready to pounce.
The 54-hour-long ordeal ended after the GIGN unit captured the plane and killed all four terrorists in an operation that, miraculously, left merely 13 passengers injured. The three crew and nine GIGN members who sustained injuries were among those all officially honored by the French government. The rescue itself was widely heralded a success.
Back then, it was. But, sadly, the lives of the Algerian hijackers and their plot didn't end in vain. In 2001, history cruelly permitted 19 malcontents from other parts of the Arab world to succeed where Yahia and his cohorts failed. And while they didn't die for the same cause, the motivations of the 9/11 kamikazes were certainly the same consequence of the militancy the U.S. fomented in Afghanistan decades earlier.
The legacy of 1994 has come full circle, thanks to its emulators on September 11th—and, not surprisingly, even worse blunders by Washington. Not unlike the "holy warriors" partly manufactured by the Red Army in Afghanistan, members of the U.S. military have since inadvertently trained a new generation of Algerian fundamentalists detected among al Qaeda forces in the killing fields of Iraq.
One way or the other, Claude Burgniard, a stewardess aboard Flight 8969 recalled being in particular shock when the world stood still in 2001. "I kept thinking we had apprentice terrorists," she said in an interview. "But they taught everyone a lesson."
Joseph Kirschke is a journalist and political analyst who specializes in North African and Middle Eastern security affairs.
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didn't they have fake bombs?That alone will keep everyone in there seats.

It wont go down like that now tho.
 
rzza

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smokebros said:
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watched em all. thanks =)
 
THENUMBER1022

THENUMBER1022

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there are some great videos on that list!


What about this theory? What if the Taliban were smart enough in executing the plan, they accounted for the american publics image. Maybe they rigged the building to look like and go down like controlled demolitions, so we'd lose trust for our own government.

Any thoughts?
 
doc111

doc111

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THENUMBER1022 said:
I mean, why else would WTC 7 go down?
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Because it was hit by debris from the towers when they collapsed. There was extensive damage to the south face of the building (a 10 story high chunk was missing from the building) and fire crews were unable to contain the fires that raged in the building for several hours. Fire + chunk missing from building = perfect conditions for a collapse.

Here is a non-conspiracy website that debunks a lot of the misinformation put out by many conspiracy theorists and conspiracy websites:

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Here is a picture that shows some of the damage to WTC 7. Unfortunately there aren't many videos or pics of the damage. It was in an area which was virtually inaccessible after the collapse of the towers.

 
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