Blue Cheese, PPP, Thai SS...Jerry's Second Grow

SL2 said:

Damn J you have a lot of plants going on. Looks nice man. Whats up with the curved leaves on the PK?


Jerry do you flush? Cant decide if I am going to flush or not. What are your thoughts?

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I'm not sure what's up those curved leaves. They were growing really weird for a while...like getting all crinkly looking...I don't know. It's been funky but the new growth seems normal.

As far as flushing...I would say I sort of do it. I give one or two water only feedings (or water with cal-mag or sometimes molasses) the week leading up to harvest. I view it as depriving the plant of nutrients during an important point in its life, so I try not to do it for any longer than a week. I honestly don't know if flushing does anything...

The Thai Super Skunk turned out to be better than anticipated. A very thick, smooth smoke with heavy skunk overtones. Very appealing and trichome-laden buds, but a little fluffy (because of their sativa heritage?). In my limited conditions it is impractical to continue growing TSS, just because it gets large and unruly.

I think this plant would thrive outdoors. It has the potential to reach monstrous heights. It's just not ideal for indoor gardens IMO.

Here are some bud shots I took today. Top is Blue cheese, bottom is LSD and right is PPP.


LSD


PPP


LSD


Blue Cheese


Left to Right...PPP, Blue Cheese, LSD...

Nice budz there J. How do they taste???

The PPP tastes like it has for the last 2 generations now, which is nice. Strong smell, sticky, tastes exactly like it smells. Very dark colored buds with good bag appeal though. Probably my least favorite now that I have tried the others below, but still an excellent strain and it was an excellent strain to get my feet wet with, so to speak.

The Blue Cheese also tastes like it has for the last couple runs. Nothing shocking. Totally fantastic taste and smell though. Little low on the visual bag appeal, but as soon as you smell it you know its good. This is my all-around smoke...good for anywhere, anytime.

The LSD is a definitely a keeper. Smells great, looks great, tastes great and gets you stupid high. I cut mine before they got too amber, and I'm glad I did as I like to function while high. This strain is powerful and fantastic. I'll do a proper smoke report on all these sometime when I get a chance.

Chiesel. This one is also a keeper I think. Very earthy, almost bland smell. But very crystalline and very gooey. A bowl pack seems to last forever of this stuff. Taste is very similar to smell, in that there isn't really a strong one. You get the dirt/earthy taste (which diminishes considerably with a cure I've discovered) and that's about it. It's funny because I can't really pick up on the distinctive diesel or cheese tastes. Great smoke though.

Blue Widow. Nothing special here. Has the widow taste, with some blueberry hints. Rock solid nugs with nice crystallization, but nothing like I expected from the infamous "white widow" lineage. The LSD was WAY more crystal-laden than the Blue Widow.

Thanks for the mini smoke report Jerry.

Makes me excited about the LSD. I topped 7 of my nine (both LSD plants) and am trying to clone them. I Have BC and Chisel line up for the next grow. Damn I want to grow them all at one time...I just need my WW and Big Bud to finish. They are on week 11!!!!Just starting a little amber.

Killer porn Jerry. I was reading your thoughts on flushing there. I was thinking the same thing for a while. It seemed that as I decreased the amount of time for flush there was no real difference except the plants looked way healthier. But this last time I was nuting heavy and only gave one plain water feed at the end. I can totally taste it. It's not even a taste really but more of a feeling in your mouth like when you eat oily Chinese food. You know when your mouth feels all numb because the oil is blocking all the air. This was with chem nutes though. Organic might be different. I'm about to find out the answer to that at least. Finally trying my first 100% organic run. But yea I wouldn't flush until your plants look dead but I think at least three plain water feeds at the end is a good thing.

mared juwan said:

Killer porn Jerry. I was reading your thoughts on flushing there. I was thinking the same thing for a while. It seemed that as I decreased the amount of time for flush there was no real difference except the plants looked way healthier. But this last time I was nuting heavy and only gave one plain water feed at the end. I can totally taste it. It's not even a taste really but more of a feeling in your mouth like when you eat oily Chinese food. You know when your mouth feels all numb because the oil is blocking all the air. This was with chem nutes though. Organic might be different. I'm about to find out the answer to that at least. Finally trying my first 100% organic run. But yea I wouldn't flush until your plants look dead but I think at least three plain water feeds at the end is a good thing.

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lol at oily chinese food...

I honestly don't know how different flushing with organics vs. chemical ferts is...I remember reading a post somewhere (can't remember where) that stated flushing was created FOR organic gardens to remove the built-up salts and presumable also remove slow-releasing ferts.

In my opinion it's probably beneficial to flush for both, but as you said it depends on how heavily you've been feeding. Also the growing medium probably has a lot to do with it...

My goal these days is to keep the plants as happy as possible throughout the entire grow...and recently I've taken this to mean keep those leaves healthy and green (or purple) throughout as much of flower as possible. But I do still like to give a water-only feeding or two or three leading up to harvest.

I'm glad to hear you're going organic mared! I don't know if you've been sticking with the coco (someone doesn't update their journal anymore...) but whatever medium you use these days I'd like to know what organic ferts you decide to go with. I've heard from a few different people that the BMO stuff I use just flat out doesn't work in coco. I find this hard to believe, but still haven't gotten around to trying the coco. Maybe I'll try mixing some into my soil(less) mix of BioBizz Light Mix, FF Light Warrior, High-N guano and some worm castings...anyway let me know how the organic thing goes for you!

take a runoff reading after dumping some plain water through your ladies. I bet you will read 2000+ if you havent flushed. If the salts accumulate to much youll end up nute lock out, then all feedings are insult to injury. The nutes add up fast.
Jerry nice danky. imo, those look like a zinc def from the wrinkles, and contorting.

LOL yea Jerry I'm terrible at updating my journal. I've been using both coco and the hydromix peat. Not mixed together but some plants will be all coco and some will be all hydromix. The growth/health of the plants seems to be almost identical in the two but the hydromix is so much cheaper. Anyways I'm at week 5 flower with my 1st all organic run. This first one was hydromix but I have some all-organic at week 3 flower in coco too. Believe it or not these are the healthiest looking plants I've ever grown. I was worried I wouldn't have as much control because this organic feed is just a one part base but the plants look great. They have the perfect green color and the leaves are super shiny like solar panels. I was able to achieve the same thing with chem nutes except no matter what I would get burnt leaf tips from the salt. With the organic stuff I have none of that.

What I'm using is the Botanicare lineup. I use the pure blend pro Bloom, cal mag, and liquid karma. It also makes feeding time go so much quicker with just three ingredients. As a guy who had always been adding like 12 ingredients to his feed I was dubious whether these three things could really make a plant grow as well. But so far they make them grow even better. I obviously haven't been able to compare yields of synthetic vs organic yet but from the looks of it the tradeoff is very minimal. What is most important to me is the taste of the buds in the end. No more MSG LOL!!!!

I've heard lots of good stuff about the botanicare set...I use their Cal-Mag+.

The organic ingredients for that Pure Blend are spot on...though the NPK ratios seem a bit low...this is what I found on their website

Guaranteed Analysis
Grow Formula 1 –0.5 –1
Bloom Formula 0.5 –0.5 –1


Derived From
Seabird guano, earthworm castings, fish meal, sea
kelp (ascophyllum nodosum), humic acid, and silica clay extract.


I've recently started amending my nutrient mix with some fulvic acid...my hydro store actually makes their own fulvic acid additive, and they sell it for cheap...anyway, it's supposed to be a chelating agent that binds to the nutrients (macro and micro) and makes them more readily taken up by the plant. Not sure how effective it has been so far but it's something that may be beneficial specifically for growing organically.


In the end it's all about taste, and my organic buds taste freaking amazing. I can only image what wonders you will able to produce...

Yea I take ratios to be just that. 1.0-.5-1.0 is the same as 10-5-10. You just use more volume of nutes. Like I'm using 30mL per gallon of the pureblend pro bloom. I was using 16mL/gallon with my chems (8mL/gal each of parts A and B). So I guess it's more expensive this way but I don't really care as long as the buds taste their best. I can snap some pics later on and maybe revive my journal. I'm really impressed so far with the way these nutes are working.

Those buds look great!!!

mared juwan said:

Yea I take ratios to be just that. 1.0-.5-1.0 is the same as 10-5-10. You just use more volume of nutes. Like I'm using 30mL per gallon of the pureblend pro bloom. I was using 16mL/gallon with my chems (8mL/gal each of parts A and B). So I guess it's more expensive this way but I don't really care as long as the buds taste their best. I can snap some pics later on and maybe revive my journal. I'm really impressed so far with the way these nutes are working.

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I kinda figured that's how those ratios work out...10-5-10 is perfect. Check out this video from Advanced Nutrients talking about phosphorous. Note specifically the charts he puts up and what the required ratios of NPK are for Veg vs. Flower. I don't use AN and never have, but this is some interesting info.

Mared, feel free to post whatever pics you want in my journal if you don't want to revive yours...I would welcome the addition! And I want to see your current beauties...

[QUOTE="SICC";3738868]Those buds look great!!![/QUOTE]

Thanks SICC. I'm really happy with how my growing experience has progressed. I've been meaning to make it over to your Party Cup Grow...gonna do it right now! Thanks for stopping by and feel free to comment at your leisure!

dangledo said:

take a runoff reading after dumping some plain water through your ladies. I bet you will read 2000+ if you havent flushed. If the salts accumulate to much youll end up nute lock out, then all feedings are insult to injury. The nutes add up fast.
Jerry nice danky. imo, those look like a zinc def from the wrinkles, and contorting.

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Thanks for stopping by dangledo...almost missed your post! I figured there was some micronutrient deficiency causing the wrinkly leaves, but it seems to be under control now. They always seem to straighten out whatever issues they have during veg when they get to flower.

As far as flushing goes, if you've been giving water-only feedings between nutrient applications I think your PPM would be in the acceptable range without a flush. It's not that I'm against flushing, I just wonder if it is really as effective and necessary as people claim...

Edit: I don't use PPM as a unit of measure though. I only pH adjust what goes into the soil...

Yea I posted the pics up in my journal. But I actually took a look at the botanicare nute bottles and the N-P-Ks aren't 1-.5-1. Maybe you were looking at Liquid Karma? Anyway I'm confused as shit right now. The 1qt bottle of pure blend pro bloom for hydrogardens says 2.5-2.5. It also says it's optional to use the soil&coco formula for the last 2-3 weeks before harvest. The soil&coco formula is 1-4.5. What confuses me is I also bought the gallon size container of pure blend pro bloom for hydrogardens once I decided I liked it. Same label and everything so same stuff, right? I guess not because the N-P-K for the gallon size is 2-3-5 and it makes no mention of switching to the soil&coco formula at the end. I've seen Advance Nutrients do this too where different size bottles of the same product have different N-P-Ks. I don't get it.

mared juwan said:

Yea I posted the pics up in my journal. But I actually took a look at the botanicare nute bottles and the N-P-Ks aren't 1-.5-1. Maybe you were looking at Liquid Karma? Anyway I'm confused as shit right now. The 1qt bottle of pure blend pro bloom for hydrogardens says 2.5-2.5. It also says it's optional to use the soil&coco formula for the last 2-3 weeks before harvest. The soil&coco formula is 1-4.5. What confuses me is I also bought the gallon size container of pure blend pro bloom for hydrogardens once I decided I liked it. Same label and everything so same stuff, right? I guess not because the N-P-K for the gallon size is 2-3-5 and it makes no mention of switching to the soil&coco formula at the end. I've seen Advance Nutrients do this too where different size bottles of the same product have different N-P-Ks. I don't get it.

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I was looking at the Pure Blend ORIGINAL grow and bloom formulas, not the Pure Blend PRO line...which accounts for our NPK discrepancy.

As far as the same formula having different ratios for different sized containers...that's pretty weird. You'd think it was the same exact stuff, just in a larger size. Probably won't make much of a noticeable difference.

I don't think you need to do anything crazy like switch to the soil/coco formula for the last 3 weeks. Seems foolish to me. Also seems a bit strange that the coco formula is paired with the soil formula and not the hydro formula, as people always say to treat it like hydro. I may pick up some up and give my coco a try sometime...

Ahhh, I was wondering what the difference between regular pure blend and the "pro" version was. My hydro store doesn't even have non-pro. And I also found it strange that soil and coco are together in one formula instead of soil and hydro. Very weird. But I already have a small bottle of the soil&coco formula so I might give it a shot at the end just to see. Looks like a bit of a P boost which would be good. Anyways I think this botanicare is pretty good stuff despite all the weirdness with the NPKs and different formulas.

nice looking buds .i have dna sour cream and ppp going as well . ppp is close to being ready. and thanks for the smoke report. would you say ppp is onee of your favs to smoke ?

goofygolfer said:

nice looking buds .i have dna sour cream and ppp going as well . ppp is close to being ready. and thanks for the smoke report. would you say ppp is onee of your favs to smoke ?

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I haven't heard much about the sour cream...I'm sure its good though.

At the moment I would say PPP isn't one of my favorites to smoke...I much prefer the LSD, Chiesel and Blue Cheese. But as far as cultivation goes it is definitely one of my favorites there...leaves turn nice colors, tight internode spacing, multiple dense buds, very crystally...

I think I may have worn myself out on the taste a little bit, as until recently I only had a couple strains to choose from...though I do still love me some Blue Cheese...

I just packed up a bowl of PPP now, and I must say it is very strong. The high onset is immediate, going straight to the top of your head and spreading to the back of your eyes. It has also made my usually excellent typing considerably worse (lots of backspacing)...surely a good sign of potency.

So, it's not my favorite smoke, but its very powerful, tastes nice and smooth, and grows like a champ. I highly endorse it, especially as a beginner plant (as cliche as that phrase appears to be...)

I took this pics like 4 or 5 days ago when I was watering and forgot to post them up...whoops. I was in a hurry and just snapped these real quick and totally forgot.

Group shot...Blue Widow, LSD, Chiesel, LSD (from left to right)


LSD with lots of budsites. Supercropping really opened this girl up and those lower branches are going to be quite nice as a result. Fucking love this strain.


Chiesel. Also has been supercropped, though you can't really tell. She's going to be quite nice as well. Very healthy.


Another supercropped LSD. Awesome.


Finally the over-supercropped blue widow. Supercropping is a tough skill to master, and I've certainly overdone it a few times. Usually you want the plant to be able to lift itself back up, at least to a horizontal level. If you overdo it, like I have here, the cola will simply be too heavy for the plant to properly lift it back up. I'll check on it tonight and see how it looks, but I'll probably either stake it up or just keep it braced on some other plants leaves for now.



That's it. Lots of stuff going on right now. There are at least 15 plants in the flower room that is 17" x 30" x 48"...can you say overcrowding? I have confirmed that JTR (2) is a female! She and the first trainwreck are starting to shoot out pistils after about 2 weeks in the flower room.

I'll take pics later and we'll have some fun. Until then...

Every thing looks great JG

How big are those pots your using? and how long have they been flowering?