Big bang looking like a big bust so far...flowering day 44...pics inside

note: pics taken 6 days ago.

i have 6 big bang seeds in day 44 flowering...2 had sum stretching so i added various 23w 6500k & 2700k cfls for side/underside lighting and its worked wonders. my main source of light is a 600w digital hps.

it may be my eyes playing tricks on me but this looks a bit subpar to what i was aiming for.

look at the full length of the biggest 1...its 55in tall from base of stem to tip of main cola) shortest is 35in.

a few look pretty thick already but most of the hairs are still white...they are flowering much slower than they grew in veg...in veg they went up as much as 4in a day... feeding fox farm tiger bloom...seeds in 5gallon pots of ocean forest.

am i crazy or do they appear to have problems? btw the leaves look very healthy for the most part...except for a few of the lowest leaves...they r turning yellow & falling off (as i expect in flowering from the loss of N).


all thoughts welcome thank you

why did you cut off the fan leaves? that would be your problem right there.

I cant concur on the whole problem stemming from cutting a good part of your fan leaves off. I am not to familiar of your genetics but I would say they are certianly stretched out a bit. That may be due to light proximity to plants during veg/bloom. Ive seen many growers take the majority of there under leaves off during mid/late flowering and be fine.( I personally dont, and dont recommened it to most). However, due to you genetics that may be the culprit to your stunted growth. I would recommend, if feasible, to pick up some other Fox Farms products such as Big Bloom, Beastie Bloom, as well as Cha Ching. Good Luck and I hope I helped some. FIRE IN DA HOLE!!!

Like everyone else said.

Your yield sux because you cut off the buds power source.

Grow and learn my friend.

yes, cutting all the fan leaves does some serious damage to your plant's overall production, but IMO you need to bend both of those big ones over , i mean bend them ALL the way over - you want all of the tops of your plants to be at the same level.. then drop the 600 hps down to about 12 inches from the top the plants , otherwise you're going to keep ending up with the nappy , scraggly, crap you have on your hands at this time. you can still have some dank stuff - at this point, try and get some bloom and swell and if you get that light down on em i guarantee the will start packin some weight. do you have a fan running over the plants?

How far is your light away? Its looks like stretch with a side of buds! Also like asked before where are all your fan leaves? Trimming your fan leaves is a very dumb thing to do. They should be a lot bigger

Fan leaves are energy absorbers for the buds, you,ll notice for every bud is a leaf and every leaf absorbs about 10 percent of the light and 90 % will pass through to the next leaf and so on and so on if you were to put cfls around the plant and keep fan leaves on thats the best way possible in my opinion with about 1 1/2 weeks left cut all the fan leaves off and stop water it, that will stress the plant and cause it to release more thc to the buds in a last ditch effort to protects the buds, then you,ll have nice compact crystaly buds. It pretty much makes it like you just cured it for a month.

I also had plants that had stretching but kept fan leaves and had cfl around them, had two good colas that produced almost 1 oz

Fan leaves are the largest most efficient solar collectors plants have. They absorb the largest amount of light rays and transform it into energy. Large fan leaves are factories where sugars/carbohydrates are created and stored for later use, as in for use during periods of darkness when plants operated on stored energy.

Any healthy plant will attempt to replace any lost healthy foliage, until fairly well along in flowering anyway. When you remove fan leaves a healthy plant will divert energy that would otherwise be used for continued upward/outward growth, and when in flower for bud production and also THC production, and use it to attempt to replace the lost healthy foliage.

The idea of removing fan leaves is based in a flawed pseudo-logic. People assume a plant has X amount of energy to use and then assume that those large fan leaves have to use a great deal of energy plus they shade buds from direct light and of course people assume you have to have buds flooded with light. Well when you remove the healthy fan leaves the amount of energy plants had to rely on, X, is dropped to P. Then the P amount of energy is in part diverted to replace the lost healthy foliage and the rest of the plant then has K amount of energy to rely on for growth and bud development.

Many people do not realize the importance of fan leaves and they do not understand how plants actually work, what they do, how they react to different things. Something else some, or maybe even many do not know is that on average 85% of light that strikes a leaf passes through. On average a leaf will only collect 15% of the light that strikes it and again, the rest passes through the leaf to then strike lower leaves.

Do not remove large fan leaves unless you want to reduce your plants capabilities to function as they normally do.

well if anyone hadnt noticed i removed the fan leaves from my last grow and i thought it turned out well...a 2 ft purple wreck and 3 ft (sativa) mystery strain...together they delivered about 3 oz of bud total...1oz and a half on the purple wreck and 1oz and a half on the sativa.

i left a few odd leaves around of course. i guess maybe it is a flawed idea.

only reason i did this is because it actually seemed to help my other plants...once i took off some fan leaves it really took off. i mean dont get me wrong the buds do seem dense and 2 of them have begun to lean a little...so i tied them back upright...i wasnt too sure how safe it would be to try and tie it all the way down since i havent lst'd at all.

these big bang seeds were advertised as being a big harvest. from right now i cant tell...they have 3 weeks or so to go...and i expect them to fatten up at the end (like my others did).

i just hope i didnt remove too many fan leaves :-/


and the growth isnt stunted people...i vegged till they were 2-2 1/2 ft tall...i wanted them to get 4-5 ft tall as i was only doing 6 plants.

would 6 plants in 5 gallon pots under a 600w be better than say 12-15 plants in 2 gallon pots under a 600w hps? or the other way around?

im still expecting to pull 1 1/2 oz - 2 oz per plant...hopefully.

any chance at reversing this?

that could be another problem if you want advertised results and what you should have alot more lights then just 600w think about this for every 1000w, 5 plants can be grown to their potential (my buddy had a perp wreck and the main cola 2 onces about when it was dried, the most rediculous cola ive seen to this day and he had 2000w,1000w for each one MH and one HPS and there was only 6 plants in his tent)

Danm dude thought my eyes were playing tricks on me at first.looks really crazy

Brick Top said:

Something else some, or maybe even many do not know is that on average 85% of light that strikes a leaf passes through. On average a leaf will only collect 15% of the light that strikes it and again, the rest passes through the leaf to then strike lower leaves.

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Brick - I love your info but this one really goes against my logic. Can you back it up with a source? I hope you don't take offense -

snwbrder03 said:

that could be another problem if you want advertised results and what you should have alot more lights then just 600w think about this for every 1000w, 5 plants can be grown to their potential (my buddy had a perp wreck and the main cola 2 onces about when it was dried, the most rediculous cola ive seen to this day and he had 2000w,1000w for each one MH and one HPS and there was only 6 plants in his tent)

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well my bad. i figured 100w per plant (of hps/mh light) is what you should aim for...so i figrue 6 plants under a 600w hps would be enough.

note i only vegged these for 3wks exactly i think...the biggest was 2 ft tall at that time (started from seed)

some hairs have just started to change color. its not strong smelling at all (which is good for me...) the purple wreck & mystery strain i had (only 2 plants) stunk sooooo bad. however there is a very nice sweet smell coming from the plants...it smells kind of like how a random assortment of chewed up skittles would taste in your mouth. its weird but thats the best way i can explain it. im VERY excited because its known as a relaxing anti-anxiety strain w/ a high yield (exactly why i picked these seeds specifically). all the others that were relaxing and anti-anxiety had much smaller yeilds.

i loaded them down with bloom nutes (tiger bloom) nutes...each got 3 teaspoons per gallon of water (full strength) so im hoping they flourish a bit more.

sm0keyrich510 said:

well if anyone hadnt noticed i removed the fan leaves from my last grow and i thought it turned out well...a 2 ft purple wreck and 3 ft (sativa) mystery strain...together they delivered about 3 oz of bud total...1oz and a half on the purple wreck and 1oz and a half on the sativa.

i left a few odd leaves around of course. i guess maybe it is a flawed idea.

only reason i did this is because it actually seemed to help my other plants...once i took off some fan leaves it really took off. i mean dont get me wrong the buds do seem dense and 2 of them have begun to lean a little...so i tied them back upright...i wasnt too sure how safe it would be to try and tie it all the way down since i havent lst'd at all.

these big bang seeds were advertised as being a big harvest. from right now i cant tell...they have 3 weeks or so to go...and i expect them to fatten up at the end (like my others did).

i just hope i didnt remove too many fan leaves :-/


and the growth isnt stunted people...i vegged till they were 2-2 1/2 ft tall...i wanted them to get 4-5 ft tall as i was only doing 6 plants.

would 6 plants in 5 gallon pots under a 600w be better than say 12-15 plants in 2 gallon pots under a 600w hps? or the other way around?

im still expecting to pull 1 1/2 oz - 2 oz per plant...hopefully.

any chance at reversing this?

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please bend the bigs ones over and drop your light

Looks like to me you need to give the buds a little more time. Not every seed or clone is going to be exactly alike. Some plants, wether it be for genetic freaks, environmental differences, or just plain old dumb luck take longer than others. Cutting off fan leaves is not as horrific as one might think. Has anyone tried it? I have, infact Iv'e cut all the leaves, except a fan leaf every four inches or so off of a few plants. All that happened is the plants defenses seemed to kick in. The ones that were cut were more resinous than the ones that weren't. Does that work with all pheno types? I don't know? Will it work for you and your plants? Don't know that either. It has worked for me though. Although I have cut off all the extra growth and just left the main cola branches and the fan leaves and that seems to have good results too. If you don't experiment you won't know what is possible.

Crazy said:

Looks like to me you need to give the buds a little more time. Not every seed or clone is going to be exactly alike. Some plants, wether it be for genetic freaks, environmental differences, or just plain old dumb luck take longer than others. Cutting off fan leaves is not as horrific as one might think. Has anyone tried it? I have, infact Iv'e cut all the leaves, except a fan leaf every four inches or so off of a few plants. All that happened is the plants defenses seemed to kick in. The ones that were cut were more resinous than the ones that weren't. Does that work with all pheno types? I don't know? Will it work for you and your plants? Don't know that either. It has worked for me though. Although I have cut off all the extra growth and just left the main cola branches and the fan leaves and that seems to have good results too. If you don't experiment you won't know what is possible.

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i agree with this. i just wasnt sure if i was thinking along the right lines.

The ONLY reason i did this on these big bangs is because it worked for my mystery sativa plant and my purple wreck. especially on the sativa...the main cola was 12in long and @ the very end of flowering was FAT and shaped like a pineapple...so i figured it was me picking off fan leaves because the flowering was actually slow until i did it to the sativa and purp wreck...thats when they just took off on me in for about 1 1/2 weeks after.

maybe i assumed wrong but to me it looked like it worked so i did the same thing to these ones...and i never started really until they were already into 30+ days flowering...


i dont have pics right now but...they have started to pick up steam here! started to become somewhat of a day by day slight noticable change. considering im going to feed them more before i flush & give molasses only with water after the flush i think i might be in ok shape.

however next time im going to attempt to put it to the test...some i will pick leaves off of once they reach 30+days flowering (like i did this time & last time) and some i will not touch...period.

im also looking into topping and things like that.

im still pretty new to this...so i dont claim to know everything...some of this has just been trial and error...i did do a lot of reading here before i got started however.


now i got 2 questions...

1) what type of molasses should be used? im aware roughly of the dosage but not aware of what specific type of molasses.

2) i know this is one of those irritating questions about how much you harvest per x amount watt light but i wanna make sure im in the ball park here. I completely understand how much you end up with is a very basic but really hard question to answer...so many things can vary your outcome from the strain to you lighting to your temps to your nutes to your techniques etc...but GENERALLY speaking...with a 600w digital hps and who knows how many (i really dont know at the moment) 23w cfls (2700k and 6500k) as side lighting with only 6 plants in 5 gallon pots?

im pretty sure im using 10 to 12 of the 23w cfls...(maybe a few extra than that). they are 1600 or 1700 lumens i believe). my 600w hps is 95,000 lumens. i also have air conditioning to protect them from the days where the grow area gets hotter than 85 degrees.

im not looking for a guess on what i have going now...im asking in what GENERAL range (in grams) should one expect with this many lumens for 6 plants in 5 gallon buckets. sometimes i have so much light i think i could honestly add 2 other plants in 1-2 gallon pots (something a little special or a mystery seed to try out...its like a birthday present every 3 months. haha)

im a noob to growing, and i am also growing 3 big bangs, they harvest big time. 120 days from start to finish i've seen 3-4 oz plants with flouros for veg and 600 watt hps for flower. and ya they look like they are stretching, im sure you will get 1 or 2 fluffy oz's. keep true to your grow and just learn from experience, thats what its all about.