Best set up for around 130$-150$
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bleezyg420
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shop on ebay, you can get a 400hps for 100+shipping. Then all you need are some fans, intake, outtake and oscillation fans, and some mylar(SpaceBlankets). Some good soil(Fox Farm's Ocean Forest). Trust me, you want to go hps. Your nugs, quality, and yield could never be as good if you were to use cfls. Watt per watt hps is cheaper than floros because lumen per watt, hps is better. That says it all. Also penetration of hps vs floro, its not even comparable, so much energy is lost with floro. trust me on this one. If you thought cfls are cheaper, your wrong, if you are indeed intending to reach 10,000 lumes per square foot. You can do this with a $100 400hps off ebay. I grow 2, but I could do 4 smaller ones easy, but I grow monsters, like 3-5 each. I pull a QP off each.
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nickfury510
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bleezyg420
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cus its true, fuck floro's they arnt made for horticulture, HPS is!
nickfury510
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no...ive seen them....not really impressed....cfls dont produce enough light intensity to grow the nice dense heavy buds that hid lighting will produce....they will grow some big buds..but the dry to be very light and airy....and you have it right hps is cheap and simple compared to cfls....but for some reason people still flock to cfls like sheep while not knowing what they are really doing just beacause a few people that dont know better tell them that they are less expensive and use less power than hid lighting....then they turn around and put 400 watts of cfls into a grow when a 150-250 w hps would have been just fine and given them almost double the yeild for less energy usage
nickfury, i agree with what you are saying completely! HID works much better than CFL and takes far less work and can even be done cheaper.
the reason why people flock to CFL's though is because they are a simpler concept than HID. look at your light rack and compare it to the fixture at your desk. the difference is dramatic, no? compare with a CFL.
the reason i have gotten back into this game with CFL's is because my space and budget was limited and being a conservation minded person i had a ton of CFL's just hanging around. i put my initial latest grow op together literally using stuff i had laying around the house. (since then, i have spent enough on upgrades to put a HID fixture in.)
that is why people flock to CFL, the concept is easier to grasp.
that all said, i am currently digging under my house to make a room that will handle some HPS lighting because this CFL shit is FAR too much like work for me! it was easier growing 100 plants than it has been for a dozen (in three stagged crops).
the reason why people flock to CFL's though is because they are a simpler concept than HID. look at your light rack and compare it to the fixture at your desk. the difference is dramatic, no? compare with a CFL.
the reason i have gotten back into this game with CFL's is because my space and budget was limited and being a conservation minded person i had a ton of CFL's just hanging around. i put my initial latest grow op together literally using stuff i had laying around the house. (since then, i have spent enough on upgrades to put a HID fixture in.)
that is why people flock to CFL, the concept is easier to grasp.
that all said, i am currently digging under my house to make a room that will handle some HPS lighting because this CFL shit is FAR too much like work for me! it was easier growing 100 plants than it has been for a dozen (in three stagged crops).
tjs221999
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Shop lights are good, they are cheap and local I get great reselts from the T12s started off with just one.... (movedthem under that one floro shop at this size)
(Okay a month or so under that one floro fixture got me this.)
Took $30.00 more bucks and got 2 more and that gave me this below
now I have very good sized plants and results, however for flowering I googled the nearest hydroponic store and took a trip to get a 600w HPS system her they are on the day I put in the .
This will be first week of flower Floros got me to where you see above.
(Okay a month or so under that one floro fixture got me this.)
Took $30.00 more bucks and got 2 more and that gave me this below
now I have very good sized plants and results, however for flowering I googled the nearest hydroponic store and took a trip to get a 600w HPS system her they are on the day I put in the .
This will be first week of flower Floros got me to where you see above.
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nickfury510
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the moral of the story is..your just gonna keep spending money on more flouros and more flouros and more flouros...only to buy hid lighting in the end.....i did the same thing as have so may other growers.....learn from our waste of money and go with the hid from the gate
Nickfury is right...I have tried the cfl's also. You only get top bud's and they light and airy. Not tight or compact at all. The cfl's just don't penetrate deep enough to produce good buds below. I switched to a Sun Systems 1000w Dual Spectrum system and haven't looked back. There is no comparison ....better yields better buds etc. Spend the extra bucks you won't be sorry. Check out my thread on Seeds and Seed Strains...under " this buds for you". I've cut and jarred it now. 14 oz of great bud. And that's not my best grow....
siht7419
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idk, cfls were the only choice for me at this point. they are much easier to incorporate into small grows such as mine. there is just no way to practically make hps stealth. i would have had to build an entire new fish tank which was not an option.
granted, hps will produce more lumens then cfl but now you have the heat and ballast concerns!
granted, hps will produce more lumens then cfl but now you have the heat and ballast concerns!
nickfury510
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i use hps all the way through...
nickfury510
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hps will veg your plants just fine...
bleezyg420
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and what did I say...
bleezyg420
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You wont need another hps if you just buy a 400hps. Unless your trying to grow a bunch of plants.
primeralives
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so wheres your pics of these plants you talk about that you pull a qp of of....
im calling bullshit,
primeralives
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"space blankets" are not mylar,
Mylar:
A highly reflective polyester film that comes in varying thickness, the most common being 1 and 2 mm thick. The 2mm thick mylar while not quite as durable as the foylon, is fairly rugged. The 1mm thick mylar tears fairly easily, so taking it down for cleaning is quite difficult without damaging it in the process. Both types of mylar are able to reflect approximately 92-97% reflective, giving it the potential to be more reflective than foylon, but because foylon is more easily cleaned without damaging it as well as it being harder to crease, foylon usually ends up being slightly more reflective. Important to note is that mylar reflects radiant heat energy just as well as foylon (around 85%), so proper ventilation is necessary if mylar is used in your grow room. Attaching this to walls can be done in a similar fashion as foylon, and the same caution should be used to avoid creating hotspots in your room. The 1mm thick mylar stands a fair chance of being creased or ripped in the process unfortunately, even if Velcro is used to attach to the walls.
Emergency Blankets:
These are ultra thin polyester blankets that are sold in most camping stores and are constructed of a single layer of polyester film that is covered with a layer of vapor deposited aluminum.
It is not very effective at reflecting light because it is so thin. Holding it between you and a light source, many small holes are noticed at the intersections of creases and the entire blanket is translucent to begin with, this coupled with the many creases that are in it when you purchase it takes away a significant amount of it reflectivity. It is very easily creased as well which also detracts from its ability to reflect light. And while it is reflects nearly 90% of radiant heat energy, it is only able to reflect around 70% of the light.
The largest advantage of using this type of material is that it is very cheap and therefore easily replaced. Emergency blankets can create hotspots if not attached flush to the wall so it is important that no air gaps exist between it and your supporting wall. The easiest way to attach this is to use tape (Aluminum or metal tape is recommended), as it tears very easily once it is cut or punctured.