Best light on the market ?

Kushash · Dec 1, 2018

I've got to run.
Page 32 of a what's the best light thread is an anything goes thread right?
This is as good of a place as any to give a shout out to @MichiganMedGrower.
Happy New Year!
Might not have a chance to say that if you get turtled again in the next few weeks.

Might break out the avatar I used in last years comp.

Xcoregamerskillz · Dec 1, 2018

Budley Doright said:
Ok ok let’s move on to “when should I defoliate” and “when should I start flushing” .

I've got no input on defoliating. I've heard an actual explanation for the supposed benefits for flushing, but it's probably bunk. Since you grow outdoor, do you have any pics of plants toward the end of a naturally induced flower cycle? Do they stay green until the very end, or does the chlorophyll start to get cannibalized?

Kingrow1 · Dec 1, 2018

thumper60 said:
whats bugs me most is the trolls on this site that don't have pics of their grow,but r here all the time fighting over dumb little aspects of growing a WEED! u no who iam talking about the no it alls with no picshint-hint

I have pics, i have threads with pics on many subjects that noobs can google to help with such like repotting,

Xcoregamerskillz said:
Dude, no such thing as as LED science. Science is science. What are your "qualifications" in "physics" and "biology". All I literally tried to do was have a conversation, and you're here shouting down anyone who has a different opionion until you can't BS them anymore then you attack and call them names. That's it. You have good experience, and I otherwise value your opinion. I've said that more than once, but in this particular instance you're being an asshole, a troll, and a spreader of misinformation.

The opinion and science on leds were formed before my ooinion.

The science i gave and of which you can check is that ppfd is vastly flawed, the addition of green to red and blue lowers pofd but increases yeilds - this study done by many labs and well known in the grow world.

Then i said that to even come close to a hps or cmh let alone t5 flouro spectrum you wont have any where near as efficient soectrum or watts.

Then i referenced spectrum shift of multipoint lights to single and that a hps is a 360globe spreading way more light that an led which is merely a slim beam.

Also that green light is absorbed more than any other due to its abundance in nature, i didnt mention why this abundance is the reason plants are green but can mention that if prompted.

That and a lot of other stuff rekevant to actual science on lught and spectrum.

Also recently checking we all know the difference between radiation conduction and convection so we can run any light and not theorize that leds work well in plus 30°c like most do.

I couldnt hump the science any harder, some justdont understand whats being said, not my problem :-)

Budley Doright · Dec 1, 2018

Xcoregamerskillz said:
I know, dude. We got into one time over cotyledons, I was wrong, I admitted it. I will ALWAYS admit when I've been proven wrong. Like I said, my Cannabis knowledge is less than a lot of people here. I fucked up a grow, and took a year hiatus in order to research and plan a new set up. I know why my shit failed, and now I'm going to correct that by sharing knowledge. Like I said, King is ok most of the time, but he's being a complete asshole on this thread for absolutely no reason.

Ya he does seem a little on edge lol.

Xcoregamerskillz · Dec 1, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
I have pics, i have threads with pics on many subjects that noobs can google to help with such like repotting,

The opinion and science on leds were formed before my ooinion.

The science i gave and of which you can check is that ppfd is vastly flawed, the addition of green to red and blue lowers pofd but increases yeilds - this study done by many labs and well known in the grow world.

Then i said that to even come close to a hps or cmh let alone t5 flouro spectrum you wont have any where near as efficient soectrum or watts.

Then i referenced spectrum shift of multipoint lights to single and that a hps is a 360globe spreading way more light that an led which is merely a slim beam.

Also that green light is absorbed more than any other due to its abundance in nature, i didnt mention why this abundance is the reason plants are green but can mention that if prompted.

That and a lot of other stuff rekevant to actual science on lught and spectrum.

Also recently checking we all know the difference between radiation conduction and convection so we can run any light and not theorize that leds work well in plus 30°c like most do.

I couldnt hump the science any harder, some justdont understand whats being said, not my problem

What you seem to mis understand is that there is more than just cobs and pre-built horse shit on the market.

You fail to realise yield comparison means something.

No one here at ALL referenced ppfd but you.

There ARE full spectrum boards out there.

And adding far red, green, uv, etc still gives you great efficiency. There's more that LEDs can do than you seem to be capable of understanding.

And, for the last time, NOT DEALING WITH THE HEAT FROM AN HPS SAVES MONEY. It's makes the ROOM more efficient as a whole and leaves more money for other things.

I will agree with you that almost every pre-built LED light on the market is over-priced. I will agree that sourcing things from US distributors costs more than it should, but if you do a little bit of DIY you can get great lights that produce great smoke for a great price.

Again, I'll say it in case you weren't paying attention: LED, when set up correctly, produce buds that are comparable or better to HPS. They do so while also being more efficient at using electrons to produce light. This means that people with power consumption restrictions should generally choose LED over HID lighting.

My current situation being a prime example:
I've just moved house. The wiring, while updated in the 90s, with a small upgrade in 08 still leaves a little to be desired. My main disconnect is 100a, and my load center is small. I'm probably going to be forced to run off of 2 20A circuits unless I want to invest a few hundred into putting in a sub panel. If I can run lights for 2 tents off of 1 20A circuit, and then pumps etc off of another, doesn't it make the most sense for me to do that?

Budley Doright · Dec 1, 2018

Xcoregamerskillz said:
I've got no input on defoliating. I've heard an actual explanation for the supposed benefits for flushing, but it's probably bunk. Since you grow outdoor, do you have any pics of plants toward the end of a naturally induced flower cycle? Do they stay green until the very end, or does the chlorophyll start to get cannibalized?

It’s kind of a strain dependant thing but if left long enough they fade, just not all purple, some stay green.

This stayed green while this was a brilliant purple

Kingrow1 · Dec 1, 2018

A 600w hps produces very little heat, it wouldnt heat a 9x9' room over here in the winter, a 500watt foot heater will though.... go figure.

I looked at the best grows for two years on all sites cmh hps and all leds wether strip qb cob whatever the fuck.... Guess what.... leds werent the best, dont penetrate as well as the other two or reflect of the walls for side growth. In fact with all those comparisons i have to ask.... ARE YOU BLIND?

So thats where i am, is that allowed now you lot troll leds everywhere? :-)

Xcoregamerskillz said:
What you seem to mis understand is that there is more than just cobs and pre-built horse shit on the market.

You fail to realise yield comparison means something.

No one here at ALL referenced ppfd but you.

There ARE full spectrum boards out there.

And adding far red, green, uv, etc still gives you great efficiency. There's more that LEDs can do than you seem to be capable of understanding.

And, for the last time, NOT DEALING WITH THE HEAT FROM AN HPS SAVES MONEY. It's makes the ROOM more efficient as a whole and leaves more money for other things.

I will agree with you that almost every pre-built LED light on the market is over-priced. I will agree that sourcing things from US distributors costs more than it should, but if you do a little bit of DIY you can get great lights that produce great smoke for a great price.

Again, I'll say it in case you weren't paying attention: LED, when set up correctly, produce buds that are comparable or better to HPS. They do so while also being more efficient at using electrons to produce light. This means that people with power consumption restrictions should generally choose LED over HID lighting.

My current situation being a prime example:
I've just moved house. The wiring, while updated in the 90s, with a small upgrade in 08 still leaves a little to be desired. My main disconnect is 100a, and my load center is small. I'm probably going to be forced to run off of 2 20A circuits unless I want to invest a few hundred into putting in a sub panel. If I can run lights for 2 tents off of 1 20A circuit, and then pumps etc off of another, doesn't it make the most sense for me to do that?

Xcoregamerskillz · Dec 1, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
A 600w hps produces very little heat, it wouldnt heat a 9x9' room over here in the winter, a 500watt foot heater will though.... go figure.

I looked at the best grows for two years on all sites cmh hps and all leds wether strip qb cob whatever the fuck.... Guess what.... leds werent the best, dont penetrate as well as the other two or reflect of the walls for side growth. In fact with all those comparisons i have to ask.... ARE YOU BLIND?

So thats where i am, is that allowed now you lot troll leds everywhere?

You looked at grows? Congrats. You didn't do anything for yourself, or make any comparisons of your own. 2 different growers will get different results. The only real test is what heisen did. Plants in the SAME SYSTEM using different lights. Guess which grow he liked better. Call me all the names you want, attack me all you want, you haven't proven anything.

Kingrow1 · Dec 1, 2018

Xcoregamerskillz said:
You looked at grows? Congrats. You didn't do anything for yourself, or make any comparisons of your own. 2 different growers will get different results. The only real test is what heisen did. Plants in the SAME SYSTEM using different lights. Guess which grow he liked better. Call me all the names you want, attack me all you want, you haven't proven anything.

All long term members here know that -

....The only real test is to take the best of the best on both sides and make a judgement, what one grower did ppppfffftttt

yannow they do this to get answers in basic science buuuuut...... :-)

Xcoregamerskillz · Dec 1, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
All long term members here know that -

....The only real test is to take the best of the best on both sides and make a judgement, what one grower did ppppfffftttt

yannow they do this to get answers in basic science buuuuut......

But again, it's not what one grower did, several people have done it. Congrats on doing no actual work to get to a conclusion.

And way to go again not addressing power consumprion in making decisions.

NanoGadget · Dec 1, 2018

Don't ask him for citations to back up his 'science'. He almost never does, and when he does, the citation usually doesn't even mean what he thinks it does. He just likes to say the word science before he has verbal diarrhea so the uninformed will be more likely to believe him.

Kingrow1 · Dec 1, 2018

Xcoregamerskillz said:
But again, it's not what one grower did, several people have done it. Congrats on doing no actual work to get to a conclusion.

And way to go again not addressing power consumprion in making decisions.

No it happened on threads many times some not too long ago. Many growers and pros waded in with pics and the conclusion was leds werent better.

So your talking bs to me there dude, facts are facts :-)

Xcoregamerskillz · Dec 1, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
No it happened on threads many times some not too long ago. Many growers and pros waded in with pics and the conclusion was leds werent better.

So your talking bs to me there dude, facts are facts

Oh, so on this one forum people like HPS better so it's King. Gotcha.

Xcoregamerskillz · Dec 1, 2018

NanoGadget said:
Don't ask him for citations to back up his 'science'. He almost never does, and when he does, the citation usually doesn't even mean what he thinks it does. He just likes to say the word science before he has verbal diarrhea so the uninformed will be more likely to believe him.

Yeah, I know. Like how he says all the pros weighed in without even citing a thread

Kingrow1 · Dec 1, 2018

Xcoregamerskillz said:
Yeah, I know. Like how he says all the pros weighed in without even citing a thread

So leds yeild more than cmh?

Not sure thats how its playing out hmmmm

:-)

Kingrow1 · Dec 1, 2018

Xcoregamerskillz said:
Oh, so on this one forum people like HPS better so it's King. Gotcha.

I keep giving you qnswers but you keep demanding more, typical led beatdown :-)

Xcoregamerskillz · Dec 1, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
I keep giving you qnswers but you keep demanding more, typical led beatdown

You keep repeating the same horseshit over and over, without citing a dam thing. I've already said HPS has it's uses, and is better in certain situations, but that isn't good enough for you. You haven't posted a single pic, cited a single study on the controversial green light BS, or even linked to a single thread where the pros have weighed in. You can't make the outrageous claims you're making without providing a shred of proof and just expect me to listen to it. You want to be right, that's all you care about. Damn what the evidence says, damn efficiency, fuck off to anyone who CANT use HPS due to temp and power issues. "Use HPS or don't grow and don't weigh in on your experience with led unless you also use HPS" even when you've already said you have ZERO experience with LED.

Xcoregamerskillz · Dec 1, 2018

You really wanna convert people to HPS? Show the numbers, show the pics, and cite the shit that backs up everything you're claiming to be true. Wanna shut me up? PROVE ME WRONG! Bud did, and it worked. I apologized profusely for my mistake and now I make sure to listen to everything he has to say.

Budley Doright · Dec 1, 2018

Xcoregamerskillz said:
You really wanna convert people to HPS? Show the numbers, show the pics, and cite the shit that backs up everything you're claiming to be true. Wanna shut me up? PROVE ME WRONG! Bud did, and it worked. I apologized profusely for my mistake and now I make sure to listen to everything he has to say.

Fuck don’t do that lol. As long as I’ve done this I’m still learning. But thank you though, I was just relaying my experience is all

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Xcoregamerskillz · Dec 1, 2018

Budley Doright said:
Fuck don’t do that lol. As long as I’ve done this I’m still learning. But thank you though, I was just relaying my experience is all .

I know, and it helped me. And now I listen when you relay information related to your experience. I take everything with skepticism, even shit you say, but I know you're not posting shit to puff up or troll people.

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