Best dry leaf vaporizer?

MoroccanRoll said:

Thanks. I'm a total newb on this. What's important about the separate mesh basket? Does it make cleaning easier? I assume the mesh is stainless steel? Do you know if there is a mesh size that is better for dry herb or wax?

What are the factors that are important to you? battery life? easy to clean? simple to use the buttons/controls? how about size of the basket? how many grams dry will it hold? bigger is better?

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MoroccanRoll said:

Hey, I'm an old guy just getting back into growing and smoking. Someone in another thread suggested a dry herb vape pen was potentially healthier than rolling or using a pipe. I'm not looking for recommendations on a brand or model. I want to know what features make a purchase decision for you.

Caution, rant follows....

I'm not interested in "the best". Honestly, the internet obsession with the "best this" or the "best that" drives me crazy. Shit like that is for lazy people that just want to be told what to do. Or assholes who want to argue for superiority to make their dick hard. Let's face it, what is the best car? Bugatti Veyron? Koenigsegg Regera? Whatever. If you're a soccer mom or dad the best car is probably a fucking minivan.

So.... Rather than discussing what is the "best" dry herb vape pen,

• What features in a dry herb vape pen are essential for you?
• What are "nice to have" features if you can get them?

I'm an engineer with sourcing/manufacturing contacts throughout the US and Asia and can pretty much specify what I want. What features should I be looking for? What should I be designing for?

Thanks!

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twentyeight.threefive said:

So you're going to design a brand new vape for yourself based on what other think makes a well designed vape. Right...

All your posts in here come off as some commercial company posing as an individual prying for feedback.

You must have a limitless disposable income, otherwise why not just buy a vape already being manufactured.

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1. I'd honestly like to try a good dry herb vape pen to see if I like it. I don't spend money foolishly. Makes sense to do research in advance. And, "X is the best" isn't very helpful if I don't know what makes it "the best".
2. I do have the ability and the capital to identify a manufacturer and a product already in the marketplace, ask them to make limited changes to improve function of the product, and do a limited initial run using primarily their tooling.

MoroccanRoll said:

First, Thanks to all who have replied with constructive comments. I'm sure I'll have additional questions over the coming weeks. Your help is sincerely appreciated.



Actually, no. I can handle product definition, design, prototyping, verification and validation testing as well as specification of maunfacturing and assembly processes. But, I'm fully aware I don't have the capital to tool up for production on a new product with limited market. Tooling for component parts and setting up an assembly line are the cost limting factors. For example, a single A/B injection molding tool starts at around 30-40k. Sure, you can make short run tools from aluminum but they have limited value. Line time ain't cheap and I know I don't have a business case for it. If I had a business case for selling 100k, 500k? That's a different story.

My goals are twofold:

1. I'd honestly like to try a good dry herb vape pen to see if I like it. I don't spend money foolishly. Makes sense to do research in advance. And, "X is the best" isn't very helpful if I don't know what makes it "the best".
2. I do have the ability and the capital to identify a manufacturer and a product already in the marketplace, ask them to make limited changes to improve function of the product, and do a limited initial run using primarily their tooling.

Don't automatically assume that just because we're in a marijuana growing forum that no-one here has the capability or resources to get things done. The marijuana industry wouldn't be what it is today if that were the case.

And yeah, all my posts in here? There are enough people in this thread that have seen my posts in other parts of the forum who know that, with the exception of perhaps a few late night drunken/stoned posts in the politics threads, I genuinely do my best to give back positively to the community.

Dude, don't be a dick.

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MoroccanRoll said:

I'm not looking for a blind recommendation for a brand or model of dry herb vape pen. I want to understand what factors, in your opinion, make one vape pen better than another. examples:

• It's slim. it fits in my pocket
• It has great battery life
• It holds enough weed to last me all day until I get home
• Easy to clean = I can really taste the difference when i switch strains
• Replaceable basket. I can pack more than one for the day - or - I can pack more than one strain for the day -or - I can pack enough to share
• Flows great. I can hit it super hard.
• Super easy to use. I don't have to fuck with a bunch of buttons.
• Has LED's so i know if it's on or off. It times out automatically.​

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twentyeight.threefive said:

Hey take whatever you want out of my post. Maybe I'm too stupid to follow the logic of your questions to others, it happens often.

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Wouldn't it be more logical to come up with your own specifications or design features in a vape first? Then you could ask others if those features are available in the pen they use.

Generally most products designed have a basic set of features to provide the purpose of their use. Some models may have features not available on others and vice versa.

If you're interested in basically reverse engineering an existing product and adding more features to fit YOUR need you could probably do that with any decent vape. I don't understand the purpose of asking others their specific requirements for a vape when you are the one ultimately going to being using it. Point in case, you asked about ease of use, which is a user specific question. The variables are endless, one might have one button use but no replaceable basket, etc. I have no idea about vapes, I'm just making a point.

Maybe you do have the capital to modify that Holy Grail of a vape, and maybe that's where the disconnect is. I can't fathom the idea of putting that much effort and work into something that many other people already have done. There are so many more places in my life that I could improve instead of min/maxing a vape. Sorry if this is the case, wasn't meant to come off as a dick.

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• It's not that much effort. Product development is what I do.
• Asking for community input is part of the process of developing a specification. I have zero experience with vapes so It makes sense to go to the experts - current end users - as a first step.
• No need to reinvent the wheel. VPs love the word 'innovation' but continuous improvement is often where real progress is. Lots of people credit Apple with inventing the smart phone but it really was just an improvement (software) on what whas already in the marketplace. There were already several hardware companies in that space. Palm, Blackberry, Motorola, Dell, HP, just to name a few. Apple's hardware was and still is so expensive to produce that they have to beat their supply base down to razor thin margins. I've been on both sides of that equation...
• Why bother? Because I love doing it and again, because I like to apply my talents in a way that benefits the communities I am a part of. Right now the marijuana marketplace is exploding and it's at the point where it appears there's only upside. You only need a fraction of a percent market share in a billion dollar industry to get you a long way towards retirement.

MoroccanRoll said:

It's all good man. What made me take exception was the "yeah, right" attitude and the "all your posts" implication that I was somehow misrepresenting myself. I have very little to hide except my involment in an industry that is not wholly accepted and may not be legal in some parts of the world.

Otherwise... Great response, Thanks.

• It's not that much effort. Product development is what I do.
• Asking for community input is part of the process of developing a specification. I have zero experience with vapes so It makes sense to go to the experts - current end users - as a first step.
• No need to reinvent the wheel. VPs love the word 'innovation' but continuous improvement is often where real progress is. Lots of people credit Apple with inventing the smart phone but it really was just an improvement (software) on what whas already in the marketplace. There were already several hardware companies in that space. Palm, Blackberry, Motorola, Dell, HP, just to name a few. Apple's hardware was and still is so expensive to produce that they have to beat their supply base down to razor thin margins. I've been on both sides of that equation...
• Why bother? Because I love doing it and again, because I like to apply my talents in a way that benefits the communities I am a part of. Right now the marijuana marketplace is exploding and it's at the point where it appears there's only upside. You only need a fraction of a percent market share in a billion dollar industry to get you a long way towards retirement.

Hope this helps to answer some of your questions. Any input from your side?

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