Belief Without Evidence WTF?

olylifter420

Well-Known Member
at least he has "he's stupid part" right...

LOL, biggest dumbass ever!!!!

pretty much heph, its fun how he tries to be all smart and what not...





Listen dipshit, lol. You have stated so many fucking times that I ignore the evidence you claimed to have, I kept asking for YOUR evidence and you kept saying you're stupid Heph. Then you said I'm ignoring your evidence, so again I asked what evidence is it that I'm ignoring. You answered that by calling me a dumbass, idiot, religious nutjob. So THEN you say "you're still ignoring my evidence and good points", so I ask what good evidence and good points; you then say o don't need to show you. By then other members of RIU got suspicious and started asking you what evidence; you combat your lack of evidence by calling intelligent individuals like blazinkill, oly, and spliff Chris stupid. You then say all religious people ignore your evidence that contradicts their beliefs, then everyone says WHAT EVIDENCE? And you say you're all stupid. Do you see the fucking pattern? If you don't then you're the biggest dumbass ever, ha.
 

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
at least he has "he's stupid part" right...

LOL, biggest dumbass ever!!!!

pretty much heph, its fun how he tries to be all smart and what not...
Yeah but it's jut mind blowing how he doesn't see how faulty his dim witted logic is.


I think we scared him off for now.......... but his stupidity can strike at any moment..... Beware!!!
 

Michael Sparks

Active Member
how is it seriousley possible people believe in gods without evidence , anything else in life requires evidence, to believe its true , yet when it comes to believing in a god , stupid people disregard this vital point , why is this ? its truly shocking
Whom are you to judge what/who someone belives in, unless they are hurting you, or inspiring you in a way you strife away from, don't worry, we are all one, though our thoughts beliefs and practices may be diverged, we are all human.
 

ghantron

Well-Known Member
the atheist need not supply evidence. He relies on the believers in ability to provide adequate evidence. Hes arguing that you cannot prove god, not that he cant prove there isn't a god. He doesn't need to. if you cannot prove that *big foot is real then why should i have 'faith' he is.... *yetti *sasquach
 

ghantron

Well-Known Member
and about being able to prove gods contradictions. he fought the angels for control of heaven, If god were the fully omnipotent omniscient being he was their would be no fighting. There would be god and no one would start shit, would u start shit with a omnipotent all powerful being, unh uh
 

SoCaldrums

Active Member
Ahhh...a rational person! Right? Ironically, the haters probably make a show about how "tolerant" they are. "I don't judge anyne....except Christians". I'm an older dude, I smoke pot, drink beer, play in a rockin band, have gay friends, and would turn anyone here on to pretty much any herb they could name if they came to visit me...and yet because I happen to believe in the God of the Christian Bible, I've been attacked by people here who no nothing about me.

Whom are you to judge what/who someone belives in, unless they are hurting you, or inspiring you in a way you strife away from, don't worry, we are all one, though our thoughts beliefs and practices may be diverged, we are all human.
 

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
the atheist need not supply evidence. He relies on the believers in ability to provide adequate evidence. Hes arguing that you cannot prove god, not that he cant prove there isn't a god. He doesn't need to. if you cannot prove that *big foot is real then why should i have 'faith' he is.... *yetti *sasquach
You missed a vital part of this whole argument, such a vital part that without out it we would seem like the people with the faulty logic when it is really sativa (you give sativa a bad name sativahigh) with the faulty logic.
Sativa said he has evidence that goes against my beliefs and that his evidence disproved my god. He then said I ignore his points and EVIDENCE.
Do you now understand? (not trying to be a dick). He claimed to have evidence countless times, and now he just wants to say we are the ones that need evidence. Bullshit he claimed to have evidence so now I want to see it.
 

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
Ahhh...a rational person! Right? Ironically, the haters probably make a show about how "tolerant" they are. "I don't judge anyne....except Christians". I'm an older dude, I smoke pot, drink beer, play in a rockin band, have gay friends, and would turn anyone here on to pretty much any herb they could name if they came to visit me...and yet because I happen to believe in the God of the Christian Bible, I've been attacked by people here who no nothing about me.
I feel for you dude, lol. Don't think all atheist on RIU are like this though. Some of them are awesome, but there's some assholes too. But the assholes are just trolls, so just bitch slap them with your logic and they will whimper away, :).
 

ghantron

Well-Known Member
hahaha I got u, ur right there, is no evidence against the existence of god, just like there is no evidence of murder or rape being bad, its just a matter of opinion and free choice ;)
 

Finshaggy

Well-Known Member
I found it. I will post the contradiction that came to mind first on top. And other things that I noticed WHILE READING THE BIBLE for the second time, while I was in jail (first time was in a place for smoking weed).
Here's the two contradictions that came to mind(Exodus, Duet, and I Sam) and one that is just fucked up(the Exodus after those):

Exodus 22:18
18 Do not allow a sorceress to live.

Dueteronomy 18:11-15
11 casting spells, holding séances, or channeling with the dead. 12 People who do these things are an abomination to God. It's because of just such abominable practices that God, your God, is driving these nations out before you. 13 Be completely loyal to God, your God. 14 These nations that you're about to run out of the country consort with sorcerers and witches. But not you. God, your God, forbids it. 15 God, your God, is going to raise up a prophet for you. God will raise him up from among your kinsmen, a prophet like me. Listen obediently to him.


1st Samuel 28:7-25
7 Saul then said to his attendants, “Find me a woman who is a medium, so I may go and inquire of her.”

“There is one in Endor,” they said.

8 So Saul disguised himself, putting on other clothes, and at night he and two men went to the woman. “Consult a spirit for me,” he said, “and bring up for me the one I name.”

9 But the woman said to him, “Surely you know what Saul has done. He has cut off the mediums and spiritists from the land. Why have you set a trap for my life to bring about my death?”

10 Saul swore to her by the LORD, “As surely as the LORD lives, you will not be punished for this.”

11 Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”

“Bring up Samuel,” he said.

12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!”

13 The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”

The woman said, “I see a ghostly figure[a] coming up out of the earth.”

14 “What does he look like?” he asked.

“An old man wearing a robe is coming up,” she said.

Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

“I am in great distress,” Saul said. “The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has departed from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do.”

16 Samuel said, “Why do you consult me, now that the LORD has departed from you and become your enemy? 17 The LORD has done what he predicted through me. The LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors—to David. 18 Because you did not obey the LORD or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the LORD has done this to you today. 19 The LORD will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines.”

20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, filled with fear because of Samuel’s words. His strength was gone, for he had eaten nothing all that day and all that night.

21 When the woman came to Saul and saw that he was greatly shaken, she said, “Look, your servant has obeyed you. I took my life in my hands and did what you told me to do. 22 Now please listen to your servant and let me give you some food so you may eat and have the strength to go on your way.”

23 He refused and said, “I will not eat.”

But his men joined the woman in urging him, and he listened to them. He got up from the ground and sat on the couch.

24 The woman had a fattened calf at the house, which she butchered at once. She took some flour, kneaded it and baked bread without yeast. 25 Then she set it before Saul and his men, and they ate. That same night they got up and left.



Exodus 21:20-21
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.




Here's some other verses for you, THINK about the people who wrote these things:

These first two are the most important, jesus says anyone can do anything that he can do.
Matthew 21:18-22
18 Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.

20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked.

21 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. 22If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

Mark 11:12-14

12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it.(contiues the same as the other)



Isaiah 48:22-26
22Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.

23And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

24Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?

25But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.

26And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Job 26:13-20
13By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. 14Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him?

Job 37:16-20
16 Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?17 How thy garments are warm, when he quieteth the earth by the south wind?18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?19 Teach us what we shall say unto him; for we cannot order our speech by reason of darkness.20 Shall it be told him that I speak? if a man speak, surely he shall be swallowed up.

Acts 8:9-24
9But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:

10To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.

11And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

21Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

24Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

Job 38:22
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?


Mathew 20:17
17And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,

18Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

19And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Psalms 104:2-6
2 Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment,
Who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.

3 He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters,
Who makes the clouds His chariot,
Who walks on the wings of the wind,
4 Who makes His angels spirits,
His ministers a flame of fire.

5 You who laid the foundations of the earth,
So that it should not be moved forever,
6 You covered it with the deep as with a garment;
The waters stood above the mountains.

Jeremiah 10:13-16
13 When He utters His voice,
There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:

“ And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
He makes lightning for the rain,
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.”[a]
14 Everyone is dull-hearted, without knowledge;
Every metalsmith is put to shame by an image;
For his molded image is falsehood,
And there is no breath in them.
15 They are futile, a work of errors;
In the time of their punishment they shall perish.
16 The Portion of Jacob is not like them,
For He is the Maker of all things,
And Israel is the tribe of His inheritance;
The LORD of hosts is His name.
II Corinthians 12:2-6
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. 6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.
I Timothy 6:20-21
20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge— 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith.
Grace be with you. Amen.
 

ghantron

Well-Known Member
I really am not trying to attack beliefs or personal choices, I just feel we should move communally in a direction that allows us to view things and make decisions based on scientific reasoning and grounded evidence. I feel it holds a society back when they are ignorant, by choice or not, of truth. By all means i think the christian religion is great for instilling morals in those that cannot reach these principles on their own.
 

SoCaldrums

Active Member
Nah...trolls are tiring. I need to extricate myself from this insanity. I do like talking/debating such matters, but it's just so rare to find non a-holes to do it with. Not saying all here are, but the whole "I know you are but what am I?" school of "debating" sucks when I should be enjoying a Wheezer cross (or working!).

I feel for you dude, lol. Don't think all atheist on RIU are like this though. Some of them are awesome, but there's some assholes too. But the assholes are just trolls, so just bitch slap them with your logic and they will whimper away, :).
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Gosh, everybody knows the only thing in Endor are big f'n trees and feral teddy bears who joyride on floating garden equipment.
cn
 

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
Damn he edited his post so I can show you guys where he claimed he has evidence. But if you care to see just look at post number 58. The quote on that post shows where this whole argument of asking for proof from him originated. Check it out.
 

Finshaggy

Well-Known Member
I found it. I will post the contradiction that came to mind first on top. And other things that I noticed WHILE READING THE BIBLE for the second time, while I was in jail (first time was in a place for smoking weed).
Here's the two contradictions that came to mind(Exodus, Duet, and I Sam) and one that is just fucked up(the Exodus after those):

Exodus 22:18
18 Do not allow a sorceress to live.

Dueteronomy 18:11-15
11 casting spells, holding séances, or channeling with the dead. 12 People who do these things are an abomination to God. It's because of just such abominable practices that God, your God, is driving these nations out before you. 13 Be completely loyal to God, your God. 14 These nations that you're about to run out of the country consort with sorcerers and witches. But not you. God, your God, forbids it. 15 God, your God, is going to raise up a prophet for you. God will raise him up from among your kinsmen, a prophet like me. Listen obediently to him.


1st Samuel 28:7-25
7 Saul then said to his attendants, “Find me a woman who is a medium, so I may go and inquire of her.”

“There is one in Endor,” they said.

8 So Saul disguised himself, putting on other clothes, and at night he and two men went to the woman. “Consult a spirit for me,” he said, “and bring up for me the one I name.”

9 But the woman said to him, “Surely you know what Saul has done. He has cut off the mediums and spiritists from the land. Why have you set a trap for my life to bring about my death?”

10 Saul swore to her by the LORD, “As surely as the LORD lives, you will not be punished for this.”

11 Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”

“Bring up Samuel,” he said.

12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!”

13 The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”

The woman said, “I see a ghostly figure[a] coming up out of the earth.”

14 “What does he look like?” he asked.

“An old man wearing a robe is coming up,” she said.

Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

“I am in great distress,” Saul said. “The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has departed from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do.”

16 Samuel said, “Why do you consult me, now that the LORD has departed from you and become your enemy? 17 The LORD has done what he predicted through me. The LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors—to David. 18 Because you did not obey the LORD or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the LORD has done this to you today. 19 The LORD will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines.”

20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, filled with fear because of Samuel’s words. His strength was gone, for he had eaten nothing all that day and all that night.

21 When the woman came to Saul and saw that he was greatly shaken, she said, “Look, your servant has obeyed you. I took my life in my hands and did what you told me to do. 22 Now please listen to your servant and let me give you some food so you may eat and have the strength to go on your way.”

23 He refused and said, “I will not eat.”

But his men joined the woman in urging him, and he listened to them. He got up from the ground and sat on the couch.

24 The woman had a fattened calf at the house, which she butchered at once. She took some flour, kneaded it and baked bread without yeast. 25 Then she set it before Saul and his men, and they ate. That same night they got up and left.



Exodus 21:20-21
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.




Here's some other verses for you, THINK about the people who wrote these things:

These first two are the most important, jesus says anyone can do anything that he can do.
Matthew 21:18-22
18 Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.

20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked.

21 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. 22If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

Mark 11:12-14

12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it.(contiues the same as the other)



Isaiah 48:22-26
22Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.

23And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

24Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?

25But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.

26And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Job 26:13-20
13By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. 14Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him?

Job 37:16-20
16 Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?17 How thy garments are warm, when he quieteth the earth by the south wind?18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?19 Teach us what we shall say unto him; for we cannot order our speech by reason of darkness.20 Shall it be told him that I speak? if a man speak, surely he shall be swallowed up.

Acts 8:9-24
9But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:

10To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.

11And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

21Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

24Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

Job 38:22
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?


Mathew 20:17
17And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,

18Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

19And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Psalms 104:2-6
2 Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment,
Who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.

3 He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters,
Who makes the clouds His chariot,
Who walks on the wings of the wind,
4 Who makes His angels spirits,
His ministers a flame of fire.

5 You who laid the foundations of the earth,
So that it should not be moved forever,
6 You covered it with the deep as with a garment;
The waters stood above the mountains.

Jeremiah 10:13-16
13 When He utters His voice,
There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:

“ And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
He makes lightning for the rain,
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.”[a]
14 Everyone is dull-hearted, without knowledge;
Every metalsmith is put to shame by an image;
For his molded image is falsehood,
And there is no breath in them.
15 They are futile, a work of errors;
In the time of their punishment they shall perish.
16 The Portion of Jacob is not like them,
For He is the Maker of all things,
And Israel is the tribe of His inheritance;
The LORD of hosts is His name.
II Corinthians 12:2-6
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. 6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.
I Timothy 6:20-21
20 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge— 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith.
Grace be with you. Amen.

Contradiction:

DON'T HAVE SEANCES. God hate's witches!!!! God says KILL WITCHES!!!!!!!


So...They went to have a Seance...
 

SoCaldrums

Active Member
Dude...can you just boil it down? I can look up the scripture. (Not trying to be rude...just makes it easier) I only read your first one..but I don't even see the contradiction there. Witches were supposed to die. Saul disobeyed that, along with enough other things that God whacked him.

Ok, I'm about to post it. Read at the very least the first 3 things. Exodus, Deuteronomy, and I Samuel.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Nah...trolls are tiring. I need to extricate myself from this insanity. I do like talking/debating such matters, but it's just so rare to find non a-holes to do it with. Not saying all here are, but the whole "I know you are but what am I?" school of "debating" sucks when I should be enjoying a Wheezer cross (or working!).
Are you including post #283 in that blanket dismissal? If so, why? cn
 
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