Bars vs Boards

lukio

lukio

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Madmungo said:
I remember the 1 litre screw top bottles, one of those used set me up for a night out in Quartera
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ah man, i played footy against their school team...still got the scars, the savages! i was out there last year for a funeral...saw some rally old faces...think its the sun aha!
 
Bosgrower

Bosgrower

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Scuzzman said:
... So I have 5 rooms needing lights full spec growing autos and photos, ... so give me some ideas please I have sent an email to Chilled/Migro so will here in due course, HLG -not interested- Optic again not interested(ex agent for Pioneer in the early days).
So abit of a delimmer at the moment so any feed back I would appreciate
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welight

welight

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Scuzzman said:
I now have 5 grow rooms 3 @2.4L x 1.8 W and 2.4 high,2 x 1.5 x 1.5 x 2.4, on the hunt for new lights had enough of companies that promise the earth and deliver scat, been in the industry for many years as an ex hydro famer/store owner from Aussie so know the ins and outs and the bullscat thats spun for a sale .

So I have 5 rooms needing lights full spec growing autos and photos,I will go DIY if needed but dont have the time to stuff around( I own a company that keeps me extremely busy) I like the Scopes from DIYLEDUK but freight and exchange is the real killer , so give me some ideas please I have sent an email to Chilled/Migro so will here in due course, HLG -not interested- Optic again not interested(ex agent for Pioneer in the early days).
So abit of a delimmer at the moment so any feed back I would appreciate
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If made in oz means anything be happy to hook you
cheers
Mark
 
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Lockedin

Lockedin

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lukio said:
lol tried making it, fair play! theres some really dodgy hash floatin around the UK at the mo...pretty sure its not even hash.
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I'm planning to take a swing at making hash this harvest. The results will probably be funny!

In the '80s I'd pick up a few grams of hash from a NorCal friend - beautiful full melt temple balls.

These days, SoCal dispensaries carry a lot of "hash". But a lot of it is really just trim kief packaged loose in gram jars.
However, I found a couple dispensaries that carry afghani full melt temple balls. Still a bit hit or miss in quality, but I've had a few that were expressing oil every time I pulled a piece from the ball --- easily the most medicinal for me as well; good afghani hash is nearly narcotic in the pain relief department.
 
lukio

lukio

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Lockedin said:
I'm planning to take a swing at making hash this harvest. The results will probably be funny!
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lol! which method? which strain?

Lockedin said:
I found a couple dispensaries that carry afghani full melt temple balls.
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making me dribble maaaaaaaannnnnn!

i was recently gifted Bodhis Triangle Kush x Iraqi...super looking forward to those...might try and find some info on the Iraqi male...got nothing in the fridge from Afghanistan though....maybe one day.
 
Lockedin

Lockedin

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From utube of course!


Bubble bags & a dewalt with a purpose bought paint mixer to process the plant matter in the first bag
Then place the 73u (IIRC) run between a split plastic bag.
Use a large cylinder shaped jar filled with hot water and roll on the bagged keif till it starts to congeal into one mass
Open the bag and fold the keif / hash a couple times - repeat with the bottle until it looks like hash

Roll into a ball and enjoy!

My seeds came from a growing friend - hybrid / indicas --- I always like his smoke, and my micro-grow was surprisingly good!
- hoping to run at least a couple ounces of trim & some smaller nugs - we'll see; I have a month and a half to consider...

Looked at the menus today - just unpressed stuff - Nice stuff, but not hash...
 
Sade

Sade

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Prawn Connery said:
It's horses for courses. So I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest that there are certainly applications where boards provide a better use of light, such as a one-plant, one-station open-room type grow (below). In this layout, you want most of the light concentrated over the middle of each plant, with peripheral light overlapping at the edges and penetrating into the canopy of the neighbouring and adjacent plants.

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There's also no substitute for wall-to-wall boards – if you can afford it. The set-up below is not ideal – you'd really want to turn the board current down to improve efficiency and run them closer to the plants – but the grower didn't want the hassle of raising his lights every night as the plants stretched, so he hung them high and ran them hard (not that hard, but you get the idea). Honestly, strips have no chance of beating wall-to-wall boards in terms of light coverage, efficiency and penetration. It simply comes down to cost.

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I am biased (because I was involved in a company that sells boards), but I'd also argue that for DIYers, boards are easier to work, especially if you are using pre-fabbed heatsinks

Don't get me wrong – I've built and grown very successfully with strip builds – but the yields didn't compare to wall-to-wall boards at the same wattage. This is my set-up.

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Not trying to be an asshole but those plants look stressed the fuck out bro. Those constant white pistils forming are a sign of too high of lux causing stress. I used to have my 96 v2s at max and they would look the same as yours. Nice and fat but constant pistil production.
 
Sade

Sade

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Prawn Connery said:
Seriously, just because you don't understand how Dialux works, nor know what an IES file is, doesn't mean the rest of us don't.

Dialux is sound, the IES files are real, and you simply do not understand the technology used to create those PAR maps. That is your issue, no-one else's.

Indeed, it is precisely because you don't know how to use the technology that you had to computer draw your own "PAR map" and try to pass it off as a Dialux simulation. The problem is, I know how to use the program, so I knew at once it was a fake. You were caught out and now you are in denial, trying to suggest Dialux and IES files do not exist and are therefore a "shitty format" or "completely useless".

Those PAR maps have been replicated in the real world with physical PAR mapping using a hand-held Apogee PAR meter, and are accurate to within 5%.

But even if you don't believe me, I will appeal to your sense of "logic" – how could a few strips of LEDs bunched closely together (I am talking about the physical spacing of the LEDS on the strips themselves) provide a more even coverage than double or triple the number of LEDs spaced evenly and further apart? There is no way strips of light can beat wall-to-wall LEDs spaced evenly across the entire roof of a grow tent or room. To argue otherwise is folly.

In this instance, logic favours my empirical evidence – not your opinion.
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Dude I use bars currently the 3x hlg saber 100s coupled with 4x qb96 v2s. Bars provide great canopy coverage but seriously lack in penetration.
 
Prawn Connery

Prawn Connery

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Sade said:
Not trying to be an asshole but those plants look stressed the fuck out bro. Those constant white pistils forming are a sign of too high of lux causing stress. I used to have my 96 v2s at max and they would look the same as yours. Nice and fat but constant pistil production.
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Which plants? If you're a bit more specific I can tell you whether there was any heat stress involved as at least some of those pix were taken during summer in Australia when indoor temps get to 40+C.

Also, do you mean PPFD and/or DLI? What PPFD and DLI do you use?

Sade said:
Dude I use bars currently the 3x hlg saber 100s coupled with 4x qb96 v2s. Bars provide great canopy coverage but seriously lack in penetration.
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You should probably read the rest of the thread on penetration.
 
Sade

Sade

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Prawn Connery said:
Which plants? If you're a bit more specific I can tell you whether there was any heat stress involved as at least some of those pix were taken during summer in Australia when indoor temps get to 40+C.

Also, do you mean PPFD and/or DLI? What PPFD and DLI do you use?


You should probably read the rest of the thread on penetration.
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Chill dawg. I am new to this forum and y'all the biggest bunch of fucking cry babies. I only mentioned that because just 2 grows ago I kept running into the same thing. Plants were hella beefy just kept sprouting pistils like I saw in your pic. So I spent $40 on Amazon for a lux/lumens. Fuck spending $800 on accurate photon delivery readings and spacing. I have recently induced photcylone process to speed up flower and they have been adjusting the amount of lumens delivered at canopy around 85k lux. Seriously though when I was younger and a drunk I used to flip at a dime like a lot of y'all. I dont mind criticism because I know they will help me learn something as well.
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I mean I am by far no expert but fuck looks like doing ok so far this grow but anything could happen. Anyways dont let shit get under your skin as easily. I find most things like this somewhat entertaining. There is a lot of knowledge in this forum though so that is exciting.
 
grotbags

grotbags

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Lockedin said:
From utube of course!


Bubble bags & a dewalt with a purpose bought paint mixer to process the plant matter in the first bag
Then place the 73u (IIRC) run between a split plastic bag.
Use a large cylinder shaped jar filled with hot water and roll on the bagged keif till it starts to congeal into one mass
Open the bag and fold the keif / hash a couple times - repeat with the bottle until it looks like hash

Roll into a ball and enjoy!

My seeds came from a growing friend - hybrid / indicas --- I always like his smoke, and my micro-grow was surprisingly good!
- hoping to run at least a couple ounces of trim & some smaller nugs - we'll see; I have a month and a half to consider...

Looked at the menus today - just unpressed stuff - Nice stuff, but not hash...
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dont use a drill and paint mixer its too ruff, you gots to be gentle. get your water as cold as possible and let the cold do the work.

here is an afgan making some goodness.
 
Sade

Sade

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cobshopgrow said:
trying be the constructive guy.
think lukio is right, thats the beginning of light stress, pretty mild.
havent had much red stems if any this run, but had what you have.
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You know what i think you both are right i just looked it up. Basically they are right on the edge of it. So i will turn them down a tad tonight. Finally got the far red to go 5 min after shutoff. Seemed to stop the shadow avoidance symptoms.
 
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