Barney's Farm Tangerine Dream Ebb & Flow MicroGarden Grow T5 New Wave Lights

I just want to add a note in Attitudes favour.
Ive never had a problem with any of their seeds germinating.
The only problems I encountered was down to me due to my lack of knowledge and impatience being a novice grower.
In my opinion their customer service has been exceptional. I had a delivery that went astray and as soon as they had confirmation to clarify this they sent out a duplicate order with complimentary seeds.
The attacted photos are all seeds bought from Attitude, 10 x's Barneys farm Vanilla kush and tangerine dream, and white widow big buds
I put them on a paper towel on Saturday the 5th Feb in the airing cuboard, and they all poped and sprouted a tap root over 1cm by the Monday.
Here they are 2 weeks on.



Out of the 10 Tangerine Dreams that have germinated, I have only one that is showing a strange formation of leaf as shown in the next pic. I will persevere and veg her to see what she brings.



The last pic is from my grow in week 6 of flower, hopefully be cutting down in 2 weeks time. Again all seeds bought from the good old Attitude.

I've gotten good seeds from Attitude as well. I never stated their seeds were crap. There is obviously a problem when so many growers are reporting non-germination, or bad ratios altogether. I'm glad your seeds sprouted. In the picture, they look sickly and pale compared to the ones behind them. I wish you luck. All of the rest of us noobs that can't germinate BF TD seeds from the first batch sold to public, bow down to you. Surely it is all of us and not bad seeds....

Removed seeds from Rockwool today.... in two weeks, seeds hadn't done a thing..... they are dead....

I'm packing a 1/4 G bowl for you, out of compassion for the roller coaster of emotions you rode for those 14 days....




yeah in fact that is most fustrating, great breeder and red tape involving legalities....here I'll smoke it for you

One seed had a brown tap, the others hadn't opened at all and they are now in peat pellets. Why? I dunno, they are whole and they sink, one more try...

Glad you at least got some beauties growinnn, let us know when they pop up.. great thread for no action.

Weedling sprout, your obviously an attitude spokesperson or something. glad to see you made an account (1post so far) just to rep attitude.

Now off with you! We know the truth! Plus we support small biz anyway.. Let the poor entrepreneur get a piece too!

what exact climate have have you prepared for them?

temps day/night:
humidity d/n:
lights on y/n:
moisture content of rockwool/pellets (ie: 1/4, double they're weight):
ph/ec of water used/using:

Serapis said:

Removed seeds from Rockwool today.... in two weeks, seeds hadn't done a thing..... they are dead....

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This fucking blows. I was looking forward to this grow. What strain are you looking at to replace?

hey guys just a litte tip here. Only 3 out of 5 TD seeds germed. Was told by a pro to run a lite grit sandpaper across them. worked like a charm the other 2 opened 24 hr later

sumlykos said:

hey guys just a litte tip here. Only 3 out of 5 TD seeds germed. Was told by a pro to run a lite grit sandpaper across them. worked like a charm the other 2
opened 24 hr later

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Sumlykos I guess you mean the leading edge of the two halves where the tip of the tap will break through, surely rubbing the side has no effect? i am just wondering as to a genetic fail in where the first lots of BF's seed were likely to be slightly fused' together, then yes this 'pro tip' would make sence

After reading Jorge Cervantes Grow guide again on the seed section, I'm giving these guys a second chance. Apparently, some difficult strains can take a month or more to germinate. I've never experienced that til now....

Tricka, Some of the environmental elements are non starters for germination, such as humidity day/night. The humidity remains high in a propagation tray/dome setup. I've tried t answer your questions. I know you mean well, but it's not anything I'm doing. The seeds are a bitch to work with and there are plenty of threads and internet posts to show so.


temps day/night: 78 (Heat mat)
humidity d/n: 60-90%, depending on if cover on or off
lights on y/n: yes (I've tried covering individual cubes with solo cups, no avail)
moisture content of rockwool/pellets (ie: 1/4, double they're weight): Soaked until they can hold no more, than gently squeezed to remove about half or more of water. They are not sopping wet, they are not dry.
ph/ec of water used/using: 7.0

Yes sorry the tip not just anywhere on the seed. Thats exactly what she said because they are sometimes slightly fused together. Not sure about other seeds but definitly TD.

i have read all the grow books and do recall a part where the grower put a piece of sandpaper in a matchbox then put the seeds in and shook the crap out of it. that way it is easier for them to uptake water. duh i am going to have to do that to my dud. good call sumlykos

Serapis said:

After reading Jorge Cervantes Grow guide again on the seed section, I'm giving these guys a second chance. Apparently, some difficult strains can take a month or more to germinate. I've never experienced that til now....

Tricka, Some of the environmental elements are non starters for germination, such as humidity day/night. The humidity remains high in a propagation tray/dome setup. I've tried t answer your questions. I know you mean well, but it's not anything I'm doing. The seeds are a bitch to work with and there are plenty of threads and internet posts to show so.


temps day/night: 78 (Heat mat)
humidity d/n: 60-90%, depending on if cover on or off
lights on y/n: yes (I've tried covering individual cubes with solo cups, no avail)
moisture content of rockwool/pellets (ie: 1/4, double they're weight): Soaked until they can hold no more, than gently squeezed to remove about half or more of water. They are not sopping wet, they are not dry.
ph/ec of water used/using: 7.0

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Thanks Sep, i know i couldnt have helped you, but i was just trying to get a grasp on your climate for them, some people use heat mats (radiant heat) some use Climate control (convection) i also hear lights off is better?

sumlykos said:

Yes sorry the tip not just anywhere on the seed. Thats exactly what she said because they are sometimes slightly fused together. Not sure about other seeds but definitly TD.

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Thort so Cheers

Because my nursery also houses my Bubblelicious mom plant and some clones, I don't turn the lights off. I do cover the trays with Glad Ovenware casserole trays which are black. I'm not sure how the plant below in a cube is supposed to know if it is light out or not before it sprouts, but i have read in the Nirvana guide to keep them in the dark until they sprout.

tricka said:

Thanks Sep, i know i couldnt have helped you, but i was just trying to get a grasp on your climate for them, some people use heat mats (radiant heat) some use Climate control (convection) i also hear lights off is better?

Thort so Cheers

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sumlykos said:

hey guys just a litte tip here. Only 3 out of 5 TD seeds germed. Was told by a pro to run a lite grit sandpaper across them. worked like a charm the other 2 opened 24 hr later

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the sandpaper is to scarify the seed. some seeds have a tougher exterior waxy coating, this is to protect the seed in the wild, but it also takes longer for water to penetrate the shell to begin germination. there are 2 thoughts/methods I'm aware of to scarify, both use 300+grit - (1) just lightly rubbing the shell anywhere, this gets germination going within 24hrs for most varieties. (2) a light rub along the seam if the shell casings 'welded', are needed for some (I've only had to do this for one variety years ago)

either way, I scarify 100% of my seeds and seem to get pretty good ratios. still waiting to see if my TD pop though - scarified/pre-soaked last weekend .... dropped em into cubes and still nada. 3 other strains from the same order started popping. =\ I'll keep em going too until they do something or I get pissed and chuck em

Sorry to hear that you too may have gotten bad seeds. A piece of emery board stuck into a matchbox is sufficient to scarify seeds. Shake for approximately 30 seconds.

OldGrowth420 said:

Weedling sprout, your obviously an attitude spokesperson or something. glad to see you made an account (1post so far) just to rep attitude.

Now off with you! We know the truth! Plus we support small biz anyway.. Let the poor entrepreneur get a piece too!

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Im no rep for Attitude, im just giving credit where credit is due. I didnt realise that this thread was only aloud to contain negative feedback.
As for my first post, I was browsing through various threads and saw this as this is the breed that i've just started to grow, and thought i would leave my opinion.

Hey There.

I was one of the first i the US to get TD seeds, and to say they shipped them out TOO quick is an understatment.

My seeds were tiny, almost all white,and took forever to germ and grow.

They popped dec31 or jan1, the first 2-3 weeks after that were absolutely PAINFUL. Very slow growth. After that they exploded. I have 2 stretchy phenos at about 2ft and 2 bushy phenos at about 1.5ft.

So far the plants look great but had a really shitty start

Glad to hear you are having some success. I've decided to give the seeds another go. one had a exposed tap that was turning brown, so it got trashed. I can't really call the others DOA yet, because apparantly it can take some time for troubled seeds to germinate.

Weedlingsprout, you are more than welcome to rep attitude here or in any other thread if that is how you feel. I felt that way once about Attitude myself, until I found other vendors that will replace a lost shipment without some crazy "guarantee" fee. My last purchase was 20 seeds, regs, free shipping. AND they came shipped VERY stealthy at no extra cost. All of the seeds were big and mature with spots, no pales or small BF TD shit. My TD seeds were tiny. They came spilling out of the BF pack quite easily. they were pale in color and I was suspicious of them from the get go. I hope you never have a reason to change your opinion of the Tude.

ninjagaiden said:

Hey There.

I was one of the first i the US to get TD seeds, and to say they shipped them out TOO quick is an understatment.

My seeds were tiny, almost all white,and took forever to germ and grow.

They popped dec31 or jan1, the first 2-3 weeks after that were absolutely PAINFUL. Very slow growth. After that they exploded. I have 2 stretchy phenos at about 2ft and 2 bushy phenos at about 1.5ft.

So far the plants look great but had a really shitty start

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