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superhighme said:

I know who ron paul is.
my point is what is voting for him going to do??
yeah the florida thing was fucked but you have to realize the bush family are snakes in the grass and at the time Jed bush was doin his thang down there and of course wanted his bro to win office.
but voting for someone who isnt a front runner candidate is just throwing your vote away.
yeah none of the front runners at this point are really exactly what anyone wants, but honestly theres flaws in every president. Im not an obama supporter and honestly i have no idea who I will vote for, but i know that if it comes down to the two primary candidates I'll vote for the democrat because by voting 3rd party Im pretty much saying I DONT CARE!!
but hey. its your vote. throw it away if you want. might as well not vote at all! it wont make much difference and going to the polls will just be a waste of time in your case!

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You don't believe that by voting for a Dem (or McCain for that matter)you are giving your tacit approval for more war and stripping us of our rights? Again, Hillary, Obama, McCain all voted "yes" for Patriot II, the Improving America's Security Act. All main candidates made it clear publicly that they do not support legalization of marijuana and Hillary and McCain voted for our invasion of Iraq not to mention Patriot I. I'm 48 years old and I've been a staunch Republican (since 1978 ) up until a few years ago when I went Libertarian. I've served in the military and I can no longer be part of the machine that perpetuates the degradation of rights that we as "The People" are granted via our Constitution. Voting for any of the main 3 candidates, IMHO, sends a message that I approve, and support, the stripping of the very freedoms, that I served to protect.

We TaRdED said:

I guess you underestimate the RON PAUL REVOLUTION... There are many other people doing the same. Stand up for what you believe no matter what anyone says. If you don't fight for you, who will? Good luck with all your endeavors my friend.


RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE

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standing up for what you believe in is a little different when you're talking politics. you can believe all you want but majority vote is what it comes down to.

ron paul has some good ideas, but what about the bad. he's got a lot of bad in him. maybe more than the obama/pastor scandal or this new mccain/pastor scandal.

ron paul is feeding to the bright-eyed 19 year old new voter crowd, but some people are failing to look into who exactly ron paul is.

he wants to abolish NATO. i cant even imagine what that would do to our country.

he's extremely pro life and will attempt to overturn Roe V. Wade which means you better pray to god you're never dumb enough to knock a chick up or it looks like you're a daddy whether or not you want to be. not to mention with our foster care system already over run with unwanted children making women not have a choice will just further over run a system that cant get these kids into homes. and most foster kids end up being criminals, drug addicts, homeless beggars, even muderers. NOT ALL, but most. the stats prove it.

he also has a lot against public schooling and believes that we should go to home schooling. not sure if he believes in complete abolishment of public schools, but I know as a woman that I dont want to sit at home all day teaching my kid and i highly doubt any of you men want to work all day to support your non working wife who sits on her ass all day getting fat and raising a kid with most likely substandard teaching methods. Plus every person needs a break and school allows parents a break.


but he does have other qualities that are good. Im not saying he's all bad, but he has some serious issues in his campaign and beliefs in my opinion!

Seamaiden said:

As someone who cares, and cares deeply (enough to have tried dipping my own toe into the political pool once), I find that I still somewhat resent it when people tell me that I am 1) throwing my vote away and, 2) that I don't care, or care "enough", because I choose to vote the way I do.

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might as well vote for winnie the pooh!

Seamaiden said:

2) that I don't care, or care "enough", because I choose to vote the way I do.

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Exactly, I believe with all honesty that RON PAUL supports are the ones that have done their research. RON PAUL supporters are the ones that want to protect our constitutional rights before they are gone. That may not effect you now, but the more our constitutional rights wane away, the more of a socialist totalitarian gov't will emerge-POLICE STATE.

I think RON PAUL supports are some of the smartest and noble people on earth. JMHO

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE

superhighme said:

ron paul is feeding to the bright-eyed 19 year old new voter crowd, but some people are failing to look into who exactly ron paul is.

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I'm 48 and a Ron Paul supporter. I know a lot about American politics and have been around the block more than once in my time.

superhighme said:

he wants to abolish NATO. i cant even imagine what that would do to our country.

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I could only hope. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is just another expression of Empire IMO. We are spending ENORMOUS amounts of tax dollars for our soldiers to sit in Germany, Italy, Turkey etc....to defend America? I think our tax dollars would be better spent here at home.

We TaRdED said:

Exactly, I believe with all honesty that RON PAUL supports are the ones that have done their research. RON PAUL supporters are the ones that want to protect our constitutional rights before they are gone. That may not effect you now, but the more our constitutional rights wane away, the more of a socialist totalitarian gov't will emerge-POLICE STATE.

I think RON PAUL supports are some of the smartest and noble people on earth. JMHO

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE

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not quite sure what person you support in a presidential race has to do with how intelligent you are.

everyone has different views and your views arent any better than any one elses. they are just your opinions. just as any opinions i've voiced in this thread are my opinions.

but it doesnt necessarily make you smart.... or me dumb. or any other way around.

dont put yourself on a pedestal.

VTXDave said:

I'm 48 and a Ron Paul supporter. I know a lot about American politics and have been around the block more than once in my time.

I could only hope. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is just another expression of Empire IMO.

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I never stated that every ron paul supporter was 19. i was just stating thats his target audience.

superhighme said:

standing up for what you believe in is a little different when you're talking politics. you can believe all you want but majority vote is what it comes down to.

ron paul has some good ideas, but what about the bad. he's got a lot of bad in him. maybe more than the obama/pastor scandal or this new mccain/pastor scandal.

ron paul is feeding to the bright-eyed 19 year old new voter crowd, but some people are failing to look into who exactly ron paul is.

he wants to abolish NATO. i cant even imagine what that would do to our country.

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Make us not look quite so hypocritical, similar to our membership in the UN.

he's extremely pro life and will attempt to overturn Roe V. Wade which means you better pray to god you're never dumb enough to knock a chick up or it looks like you're a daddy whether or not you want to be. not to mention with our foster care system already over run with unwanted children making women not have a choice will just further over run a system that cant get these kids into homes. and most foster kids end up being criminals, drug addicts, homeless beggars, even muderers. NOT ALL, but most. the stats prove it.

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I don't know about those statistics, but you are misunderstanding his position on Roe v. Wade. He feels that the government has no business making law regarding what we do with our bodies (that's #1). And while he is staunchly against abortion, he would not enact laws (federal law here, and that's the big rub in all of this) to take that decision-making ability away.

he also has a lot against public schooling and believes that we should go to home schooling. not sure if he believes in complete abolishment of public schools, but I know as a woman that I dont want to sit at home all day teaching my kid and i highly doubt any of you men want to work all day to support your non working wife who sits on her ass all day getting fat and raising a kid with most likely substandard teaching methods. Plus every person needs a break and school allows parents a break.

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I have not read that he's against public schooling. I have read that he is against the Department of Education. HUGE difference between the two.

but he does have other qualities that are good. Im not saying he's all bad, but he has some serious issues in his campaign and beliefs in my opinion!

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Fair enough, but I think it's important to understand the true viewpoint. For instance, there are those who can say that he's anti-gay marriage because he doesn't want to add legislation endorsing it. But, that is not the truth. The truth is that he feels the government has no business making law defining marriage (a religious institution) nor sticking its nose into the private business of consenting adults. Again, a big difference.

"I think RON PAUL supports are some of the smartest and noble people on earth. JMHO

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE"

JMHO stands for Just My Honest Opinion. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought I made it clear that this was purely my opinion. I didn't say we are better or anything, I just have reverence for the RON PAUL supporters and that is MY OPINION. No hard feelings to anyone

RON PAUL REVOLUTION!

VTXDave said:

I'm 48 and a Ron Paul supporter. I know a lot about American politics and have been around the block more than once in my time.

I could only hope. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is just another expression of Empire IMO. We are spending ENORMOUS amounts of tax dollars for our soldiers to sit in Germany, Italy, Turkey etc....to defend America? I think our tax dollars would be better spent here at home.

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There is someone always going to be in charge of the world, if not us, who do you want it to be? Russia? China? N. Korea?

Honestly, those tax dollars that you want to be spent at home is going to welfare buddy. Its a failed broke system that is endlessly gnawing away at our country's income. I am not saying other things put a strain on that, but it would be the first place I'd start to make amends to.

Seamaiden said:

Make us not look quite so hypocritical, similar to our membership in the UN.

I don't know about those statistics, but you are misunderstanding his position on Roe v. Wade. He feels that the government has no business making law regarding what we do with our bodies (that's #1). And while he is staunchly against abortion, he would not enact laws (federal law here, and that's the big rub in all of this) to take that decision-making ability away.

I have not read that he's against public schooling. I have read that he is against the Department of Education. HUGE difference between the two.

Fair enough, but I think it's important to understand the true viewpoint. For instance, there are those who can say that he's anti-gay marriage because he doesn't want to add legislation endorsing it. But, that is not the truth. The truth is that he feels the government has no business making law defining marriage (a religious institution) nor sticking its nose into the private business of consenting adults. Again, a big difference.

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thats one thing that i DO like about Ron Paul. is his whole idea of basically State Governing State. Thats what the country originally practiced and originally founded.

well just in one statement i read of ron paul from 1988 where he stated he wanted to abolish public schooling. but when asked this campaign season he says he does not recall stating that. I could see why as of how long ago it was. I just researched a bit more and he now states that he wants to promote homeschooling and private schooling but allow it as a tax write off. I dont think THAT would be a completely terrible idea except for the fact that with homeschooling you really dont get as much education as you need. (I was home schooled for some time) and with private schooling theres often religious views that come into play in many private schools (i attended private school for 7 years). Im not saying its a horrible idea, but i think it would be a bad idea to not allow the option for a parent to send their child to public school. not that public school is necessarily the best. but even if something can be written off as a tax write off private schooling IS VERY COSTLY!! its like sending your child to college from kindergarten on. and honestly I learned more in public schooling than i did in private schooling which was mostly filled with going to church and celebrating weird holidays and coloring. but hey Im not complaining I hated school. I'd much rather color. but I wont pay $14-20k a year for my child to color.

Superhighme, we would not be so adamant about RON PAUL if we didn't believe in him, look how many supporters he has on just RIU. We are not wasting our vote, don't let the media control your mind. RON PAUL is still in the race, all of his supporters are die hearts because he is too good to disregard.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE

superhighme said:

he's extremely pro life and will attempt to overturn Roe V. Wade

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...and give the decision to rule on abortion back to the States. He feels that it is not for the Federal Government to decide this issue as stated in the 10th Amendment...

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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I am pro-choice BTW.

I totally agree with you dave on the troops needing to be at home. instead of in Germany, turkey ect ect. I think they could do a much better job "serving our country" from inside our country. Im in complete agreement there.

I know a lot of people who join the military just to see the world. really its just like a free trip around the world. one of my close friends has been so many places in the last 5 years its insane.

Public schooling is an absolute necessity. However, the way schools are run fucking stinks, and has gotten worse since the inception of the DOE. But I happen to think that national literacy is one of our biggest issues, and when I listen to and read what many high school graduates (and even some college students, even some GRADS) say and how they say it I am deeply dismayed.

ZenMaster said:

Honestly, those tax dollars that you want to be spent at home is going to welfare buddy. Its a failed broke system that is endlessly gnawing away at our country's income.

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Oh you wouldn't get an argument there from me my friend. I grew up in the Barrio where I saw grown, able bodied, men hanging out on "The Main" drinking and doing drugs while their wives/girlfriends popped out babies for more welfare and AFDC.

We TaRdED said:

Superhighme, we would not be so adamant about RON PAUL if we didn't believe in him, look how many supporters he has on just RIU. We are not wasting our vote, don't let the media control your mind. RON PAUL is still in the race, all of his supporters are die hearts because he is too good to disregard.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE

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well i hardly think you can say "look how many supporters he has on RIU because RIU hardly compares to the ENTIRE united states.

hey maybe he has a chance. I dont know. Im not psychic. If he makes the nomination then great. I certainly would pick him over mccain any day. (i cant look at his lumpy face)

Seamaiden said:

Public schooling is an absolute necessity. However, the way schools are run fucking stinks, and has gotten worse since the inception of the DOE. But I happen to think that national literacy is one of our biggest issues, and when I listen to and read what many high school graduates (and even some college students, even some GRADS) say and how they say it I am deeply dismayed.

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I am in COMPLETE agreement there. Public Schooling and Schooling in general is completely fucked.

the way i see it the whole makeup of school needs to change. first off I agree with ron paul on the fact that the government shouldnt control public schooling because they have to put all these standards on it like all the required standardized testing you have to do throughout school (here its called the WASL but its different everywhere)

anyways, Ive always seen that we need smaller class sizes obviously and classes that are taught and geared differently toward different types of learning abilities. I mean some people learn better from a mathimatical and scientific perspective while Others learn better with hands on artistic methods and i think there needs to be class options for all types of learning abilities. half the reason children dont do well in class is because of their different learning styles.

I know for me Im a lot more artistic. Id much rather learn about science by drawing or creating as opposed to reading a text book and then taking a test on it. others are better at testing than actually physically doing the activity. classes need to be geared to the different abilities of children.

superhighme said:

well i hardly think you can say "look how many supporters he has on RIU because RIU hardly compares to the ENTIRE united states.

hey maybe he has a chance. I dont know. Im not psychic. If he makes the nomination then great. I certainly would pick him over mccain any day. (i cant look at his lumpy face)

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No, Ron Paul has absolutely zero chance at this years election (maybe next election too-how old is this guy?). However, there is some good that came out of his "revolution". He may not win but he got people thinking, which is always a good thing and maybe might influence the next contender for 2012. I'm not pro-paul but I agree on the majority of what he wants aside from his foreign policy and Iraq strategy. He'd be a good VP with his knowledge on the economy, and I think that is the best place for him.

superhighme said:

well just in one statement i read of ron paul from 1988 where he stated he wanted to abolish public schooling.

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He wants to dismantle the Federal Dept. of Education...not public schooling. The Dept. of Education was created under the Cater Administration in 1976. The US standing in scholastic aptitudes as compared to the rest of the world has been on a steady decline since then. The Dept. of Education, IMO, is just another example of expansion of Federal power and a money pit.

And for the record, my first 2 years of High School were spent in a public school and my last 2 years were at a private Catholic school. The difference was night and day. Catholic school was far superior in education to what I had in public school.