Azomite as replacement for Pro-TeKt (SiO2) in soil?
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Pattahabi
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I seriously doubt it would contain petroleum. It allows things like hydrogen peroxide, chlorine for sanitation, etc. However, companies do lobby to have things added to the list. Far from a perfect system.
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jstone1633
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Thanks. I was looking for that same PDF to post.
cannakis
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Yep exactly.! The sad thing is they Do run shit, For Now at least.! We need to run as Representatives and Senators and Change legislation Removing the impeding vexing code.!. That is why until we do so we will be like our Founders producing and trading Illegally, we must change legislation. Call your representatives Today, look at current bills being introduced and tell them No!
Just because they say it is "organic" doesn't really mean so, it is ALL ABOUT MONEY! Why do No commercial farms fill out Thousands of papers and forms and track Every single detail while they produce and spread Death.! Yet a small time farmer who merely wants to work hard to provide like me has to go through a Multitude of paperwork and licensing and procedures and equipment, and even then Still can't do Everything that is our Natural GOD Given right to do, and GOD Knows don't let me try to be "organic", because then all we do is work for the Fake government because All your time is given to them. You can't even farm, or relax, you decide which you want to give up for the State... Money from the farm, or relaxation after a hard days work of filling out papers, because you can't do both when you follow what The State says you have to do.!
Ace Yonder
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A couple things. First, that's... not really a scientific paper. That's just one company making broad statements about "Many companies" in an effort to draw more business. I'm not saying that they are necessarily wrong, but that paper offers very little (none?) actual evidence to support its argument. Most of the claims they make are just as sensationalistic as the ridiculous claim they are trying to "Disprove".
Secondly, and most importantly, that paper is clearly written regarding HUMAN consumption of these supplements, NOT their application to soil or gardening. "There are many compounds we rely on to sustain our daily livelihood. These compounds include minerals, vitamins, proteins, etc… However, does this mean that a haphazard shotgun approach of supplying rare minerals is a smart plan for maintaining optimum nutrition? As it turns out there are more compounds in nature that we want to avoid ingesting than those we should target for nutrition."
"Again taking these substances regularly increases the chances of long-term accumulation and/or acute toxicity."
"The moral is that we must be selective about [what] we put in our bodies and just because it is a minerals does not mean it is beneficial."
Is Azomite great for us to take as a dietary supplement? Maybe not. Does that have ANYTHING to do with its use in soil? Not at all.
Azomite is rich in many minerals because it is from a volcanic ash mineral deposit. Volcanic ash has a profoundly positive effect on soil, which we as humans have known (Consciously or not) for thousands of years. It makes sense that weathered volcanic ash mineral deposits, like the one Azomite is sourced from, would have a beneficial impact on soil. Here, check this. http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/soil.htm
"Volcanic rocks make some of the best soils on earth because they not only have a wide variety of common elements the rock and are readily chemically separated into elemental components."
cannakis
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Awesome Good Word.!.
cannakis
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Yeah exactly that's where I'm getting mine...
greasemonkeymann
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that's a little light on the minerals, I hope you are adding others?
Pattahabi
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A couple of things. First off, that was written by Dr. Faust:
ROBERT FAUST Ph.D.
Agronomy, Integrated Pest Management Advisor/Agroecologist
Robert Faust's education includes conventional and alternative studies.
Robert Faust attended the University of Delaware College of agriculture. His major was entomology and applied ecology. Later he received a B.S degree from University of the State of N.Y, an accredited university in Albany, N.Y.
His Masters of Science is in Agronomy where his thesis was field research on the use of ecological and organic methods for crop production and the use of humates and bio-based fertilizers in large-scale production in Idaho. The studies and research were under the supervision of Professor John I. Mosher who was Robert Faust's mentor for his M.S and PhD studies.
The PhD work included studies of agro-ecological concepts and development of an integrated biological system for production of fungal biomass used for livestock feed and methods described for extraction of fungal biomass for medicines. The thesis was an original plan and concept, in detail, of solar pond technology combined with an integrated system of biomass conversion, which produced aquaculture species as well as other by-products, derived from mass fungal culture methods.
He received his PhD from Columbia Pacific University, an unaccredited alternative university in San Rafael, California authorized to grant degrees by the State of California. At the time organics was in its infancy and this was the only way to pursue alternative studies like organic and biodynamic agriculture or integrated biomass conversion systems. Dr. Mosher was the head of the biology department at the U. of N.Y at Brockport, N.Y. and was an expert on biodynamic agriculture with published papers on alternative agricultural methods.
Dr. Faust was not interested in the status quo of agricultural institutions, which of course were going in the direction of chemical agriculture and the use of genetically engineered organisms. He wanted a different direction and was impressed by the Columbia Pacific University program and Dr. Mosher, who was a visiting professor at University of California at Bakersfield. Unfortunately the university closed in 2000.
Dr. Faust lived in California for many years where he was a licensed pest control advisor and IPM specialist who advised organic farmers on soil and pest management, conducted contract bio-pesticide research, and was a commercial sales manager for Safer inc. a company that produced and sold alternative pest management products. Contract pest management research was done for Ecogen, Rhone-Poulenc, Ciba Geigy. He also conducted organic certification inspection and consulting with the organic farmers in Hawaii.
Dr. Faust is a leading expert in agroecology providing integrated services throughout the world including the United States, Egypt, Belize, Jamaica and Mexico to assist in reducing dependency on chemical fertilizers and pesticides using new biotechnology and foliar fertilizers to increase crop yields and create sustainable systems.
Secondly, Azomite, or montmorilite, is a subpar trace mineral amendment to several other easily sourced products for a couple of reasons, but I'll start with pure mineral composition.
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Ace Yonder
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Too bad that none of that changes the fact that you quoted an article about human consumption of minerals. Actually, it makes it even more ridiculous that he's even writing about human consumption of anything since he clearly doesn't have a degree that has anything to do with medicine. Actually... after reading this : "He received his PhD from Columbia Pacific University, an unaccredited alternative university ...." I'm not really sure his "PhD" instills me with great confidence in what he has to say about ANYTHING, especially since most of his work seems to have been shamelessly shilling for companies.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070520155106/http://www.bppve.ca.gov/press_releases/cpuweb_dec2000.htm
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The Bureau offers the following guidance to potential, present, and past CPU students:
Potential Students Considering CPU Enrollment:
- Do not enroll. CPU is not a legal, degree-granting institution in California.
- CPU degrees awarded on or after June 25, 1997 are not legally valid. CPU has not had legal authority to offer or issue degrees since June 25, 1997. This means that employers, schools or licensing agencies may not recognize your degree."
Ace Yonder
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The pdf you posted is not a complete list, it is one that only lists the content that would show a favorable comparison to the product who's website you got the list from. Here is the full analysis of Azomite
"http://www.azomite.com/resources/coa.pdf"
Pattahabi
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So you post up the Azomite® website download? Is that a scientific paper? LmFao!
Students Who Received CPU Degrees Before June 25, 1997:
- CPU degrees awarded before June 25, 1997 are legally valid. Your degree, and any credential or license you received by virtue of the degree, should not be affected. CPU had legal approval to operate until June 25, 1997, and the degrees it issued before June 25, 1997 are legal.
Haters will hate...
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Ace Yonder
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It's the official analysis of their product, stating the method of testing and putting their name behind it, meaning they could be sued for false advertising if it is incorrect, so in our litigious society I tend to trust it. Compare that to your list, which is just a spreadsheet that some dude made to advertise his product, no mention of HOW he got those readings or anything. Especially since the numbers on your paper are the exact same as Azomite's numbers, except for the fact that your sheet just straight up excludes things from the list (Probably because whichever product they are selling doesn't contain it so they can't highlight it as a selling point), so it's a good bet that your numbers are (selectively) pulled from the same sheet as mine.
Ace Yonder
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All that means is that when they finally got investigated and found out to be bunk they were disallowed from issuing further degrees, but they didn't take away past students degrees. However, considering those past students were using that same bunk curriculum, even if the law doesn't expressly state it, we can still rest soundly knowing that they are almost certainly worthless. The only way "Dr Faust"'s name could be more ironically fitting is if he was a woman named "Miss Information".
Pattahabi
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So please tell me which elements were left out that you are concerned about having deficiencies in your soil? And also please list for me which elements you would consider most important in your grow? Let's compare those.
Pattahabi
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Bunk curriculum? Again, please explain to me which part of their curriculum was "bunk" since you have such an in depth knowledge of this subject?
Ace Yonder
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Why don't YOU explain why the ratios in YOUR product are superior, since you are the one making the claim that Azomite is an inferior product. Explain why the ones that were left off the list are indeed unimportant enough to bear exclusion. Explain how yours are more chemically available even though they have not been weathered in the way volcanic deposits have been.