Atheists in Foxholes

mindphuk

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Atheists in Foxholes

Atheists in foxholes, some say they are myths,
Creations of the mind who just don’t exist.

Yet, they answered the call to defend, with great pride.
With reason their watchword, they bled and they died.

They took Saratoga from the British crown,
Secured America’s freedom at the Battle of Yorktown.

From Sumter to Appomattox, fields flowed with their blood.
When the cannons grew silent, the flag proudly stood.

From the Marne to the Argonne, in trenches and tanks,
They defeated the Germans -- the whole world gave thanks.

They were bombed at Pearl Harbor, fought on to Berlin.
Many freethinking women served along with the men.

Still war keeps erupting -- Iraq, Bosnia, and Kosovo.
Where is the peace that eludes people so?

It is broken by tyrants who bear crosses and creeds,
That overshadow reason with hate and cruel deeds.

So atheists prevail until your work is complete.
Mothers mourn, children cry, and bigots plan your defeat.

By air, land, and sea, you answer freedom’s call.
Without god or faith, you seek liberty for all.
 
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

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if you ever clasp you hands and pray in a fox hole, i hope you dont go out risking your life again, because that is the moment when action an a well thought out retreat or counter would be necessary, not asking goddy to pick your team in the warzone.
 
mindphuk

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Pat the stoner said:
I never knew of an athiest when I was at war in the mid east . Just saying .
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Do you know the religious beliefs of every person you served with? Unlike many religionists, most atheists aren't out there discussing their lack of belief in gods with everyone they meet.
 
sso

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bit funny, if believers were talking about atheists not fighting in a war and believers doing so.

one of the commandments of the jehova god, was "thou shalt not kill" (period)

which means that any christian, jew or muslim, fighting in a war.

is definetly fighting against his own god and not of god then.

one might say they are of the "opposite faith"

people of the devil, lying about their faith (duh of course, they are satanist lol)
 
sso

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fight in a war or support war and you can never call yourself christian, jew or muslim.

because you are breaking one of the 10 commandments in a very big way (multiple murder)

cant get past that btw.

thou shalt not kill :)

christians lol ;)
 
ginjawarrior

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sso said:
fight in a war or support war and you can never call yourself christian, jew or muslim.

because you are breaking one of the 10 commandments in a very big way (multiple murder)

cant get past that btw.

thou shalt not kill :)

christians lol ;)
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Pat the stoner

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Forgiveness of sins is for those who believe in Jesus , the purpose of Christ . Nowhere does it say you have to be perfect to be Christian . But I do know that it would be assenine to take religeous advice from an atheist , the concept itself is ridiculous . If you have never been at war then you don't know what it's like . Seeing your friend dying or hurt right next to you . Scared shitless as a young man I went over there and I tell you it's no place I ever want to go again , nor will I .
 
Pat the stoner

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sso said:
bit funny, if believers were talking about atheists not fighting in a war and believers doing so.

one of the commandments of the jehova god, was "thou shalt not kill" (period)

which means that any christian, jew or muslim, fighting in a war.

is definetly fighting against his own god and not of god then.

one might say they are of the "opposite faith"

people of the devil, lying about their faith (duh of course, they are satanist lol)
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The Koran says Kill the infidel and the Bible and Taura makes many references to those faithful to God killing - David and Goliath among some . The commandment is as you say but thats your interpretation , nowhere does it say let an asshole kill me without fighting back
 
Pat the stoner

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mindphuk said:
Do you know the religious beliefs of every person you served with? Unlike many religionists, most atheists aren't out there discussing their lack of belief in gods with everyone they meet.
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No but we all prayed together even the 2 guys who claimed to be satanists . When we thought they might be praying to the devil I heard one guy say God please forgive me I don't want to die . I see a lot of athiests and Christians / Mormons try to push their beliefs or non beliefs on other people the satanists I knew never did that > To me its just an issue with a personality type that wants to push push - like an obsessive fascist or nazi . Walk like me talk like me be like me think like me . I just cant stand that kind of person so I really dont care what belief somebody has it doesnt bother me , I dont want that shit forced upon me , no one wants to deal with that crap . Some athiests , muslims , jews christians dont do this , to these we can definitely get along .
 
ginjawarrior

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Pat the stoner said:
No but we all prayed together even the 2 guys who claimed to be satanists . When we thought they might be praying to the devil I heard one guy say God please forgive me I don't want to die . I see a lot of athiests and Christians / Mormons try to push their beliefs or non beliefs on other people the satanists I knew never did that > To me its just an issue with a personality type that wants to push push - like an obsessive fascist or nazi . Walk like me talk like me be like me think like me . I just cant stand that kind of person so I really dont care what belief somebody has it doesnt bother me , I dont want that shit forced upon me , no one wants to deal with that crap . Some athiests , muslims , jews christians dont do this , to these we can definitely get along .
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as an atheist who came from a christian background i know its very hard to rid yourself of that niggling thought of hell out of your mind

what im saying is that your looking at a construct of your society rather than a look on reality
 
Pat the stoner

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ginjawarrior said:
as an atheist who came from a christian background i know its very hard to rid yourself of that niggling thought of hell out of your mind

what im saying is that your looking at a construct of your society rather than a look on reality
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Hell ? I spent zero time thinking of that . Fear of unknown (hell) is a tool that doesnt work on me . Fear is a trick used to control people . Perception and reality are a lot of times 2 different things for sure . A lot of people try to align reality with a preconcieved notion they have . I search for reality to develop an understanding my perception comes from this . It is not society that forms my thoughts I think freely for myself , however things which seem factual do contribute to that . I'm no holy roller and many have said I'm going to hell but knowing that comes from a fear based strategy I am very resistant to that type of motivation . It is illogical to believe it .
 
GrnMn

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sso said:
fight in a war or support war and you can never call yourself christian, jew or muslim.

because you are breaking one of the 10 commandments in a very big way (multiple murder)

cant get past that btw.

thou shalt not kill :)

christians lol ;)
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Killing is a sin, though not specified is generally understood as murder of the innocent. Even god kills the wicked.

But the big problem with this post is that forgiveness is granted to those who ask for it. Murder isn't even one of the 7 deadly sins, and the only UNforgivable sin is suicide (you can't ask to be forgive for a sin you commit if you're not alive to do so).

Semper Fi
 
ginjawarrior

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Pat the stoner said:
Hell ? I spent zero time thinking of that . Fear of unknown (hell) is a tool that doesnt work on me . Fear is a trick used to control people . Perception and reality are a lot of times 2 different things for sure . A lot of people try to align reality with a preconcieved notion they have . I search for reality to develop an understanding my perception comes from this . It is not society that forms my thoughts I think freely for myself , however things which seem factual do contribute to that . I'm no holy roller and many have said I'm going to hell but knowing that comes from a fear based strategy I am very resistant to that type of motivation . It is illogical to believe it .
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without the input of your society you would have no idea of a judeo christian god...
 
ginjawarrior

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GrnMn said:
and the only UNforgivable sin is suicide (you can't ask to be forgive for a sin you commit if you're not alive to do so).
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pretty sure the unforgivable sin comes from Mark 3:29
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.

ps the holy spirit god and jesus are cunts ;)
 
mindphuk

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Pat the stoner said:
No but we all prayed together even the 2 guys who claimed to be satanists . When we thought they might be praying to the devil I heard one guy say God please forgive me I don't want to die . I see a lot of athiests and Christians / Mormons try to push their beliefs or non beliefs on other people the satanists I knew never did that > To me its just an issue with a personality type that wants to push push - like an obsessive fascist or nazi . Walk like me talk like me be like me think like me . I just cant stand that kind of person so I really dont care what belief somebody has it doesnt bother me , I dont want that shit forced upon me , no one wants to deal with that crap . Some athiests , muslims , jews christians dont do this , to these we can definitely get along .
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How exactly does an atheist push their lack of belief on someone? To me, someone pushing a belief is someone saying "you need to believe this, or else." A frank discussion where someone explains a skeptical position about god and even countering bad logic and sloppy thinking that typically goes along with belief in deities is not pushing beliefs. If anything, atheists are usually more open-minded and prefer to let others come to a realization on their own. I just cannot fathom how someone that doesn't believe in something can push their non-belief on others. Does not compute.
 
Pat the stoner

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mindphuk said:
How exactly does an atheist push their lack of belief on someone? To me, someone pushing a belief is someone saying "you need to believe this, or else." A frank discussion where someone explains a skeptical position about god and even countering bad logic and sloppy thinking that typically goes along with belief in deities is not pushing beliefs. If anything, atheists are usually more open-minded and prefer to let others come to a realization on their own. I just cannot fathom how someone that doesn't believe in something can push their non-belief on others. Does not compute.
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My stepson does it . Its a personality type like I said . You are right if belief in nothing external is your belief then its ridiculous to go around bashing other peoples beliefs without provocation . Stepson does it all the time . He will aproach people whether he knows their beliefs or not and uses strong language to say things like god is bullshit - jesus is a liar . He goes after any church people he sees , especially elderly persons who go door to door for a church . He screams vulgarities out of car windows as he passes churches . Reminds me a little of when someone has a spirituality thread on here , then a person pops in to bash them and their beliefs relentlessly . If they believe in some thing else what does it matter , whats the point in arguing about those things . Christians do the same things to athiests but to think they are the only ones who do it would be inaccurate . I understand the christians think they can save someone / or are trying to convince themselves of their religeon . But its abusive behavior regardless of who does it or why they do it . With over 2000 posts you surely have come across this what I'm saying , maybe you never noticed it . Objectively looking at things you can see it all over this forum . I dont care who or what anyone believes in thats their choice to make . But even to say atheists are or christians are or women are or men are can be discriminatory in of itself by generalizing stereotypes into molds and forming opinions about them because they are in a category . My best friend and neighbor is a muslim , I am not and we get along great . Many of his friends are jewish or athiests and we never have those argumentive discussions when were together . I'm talking about abusive people who dont need to be anything to find a way to abuse someone . And I'm sure there must be certain athiests who are abusive , just like the religeous ones . If you dont know anyone like that then your either lucky or dont see it .
 
eye exaggerate

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...I've talked with many people about this 'atheist in the foxhole' deal. I know people who have been there for the realization, as mindphuk put it.

...curious to know what the actual ratio is. If that was in a video somewhere sorry about that, didn't watch. Either way, we're watching people 'to the death' with great intent as to their probability of 'convertion'. Does not compute either. (I'm not jabbing, to be clear.)
 
Pat the stoner

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My commanding officer used to every so often preach a sermon with a bible quote or 2 in it . No one ever bitched that I know of as he was good at motivating and encouraging us . Plus he or the xo had won us over by coming to get a us out of any trouble we were in themselves , not every time but still . If anyone ever did something to any of his men he would be all over their ass . He once brought a general to come help me when I was being arrested by the mp's over some bs that the general quickly squashed . He had bibles all over his office , in his hellicopter too .
 
mindphuk

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Pat the stoner said:
My stepson does it . Its a personality type like I said . You are right if belief in nothing external is your belief then its ridiculous to go around bashing other peoples beliefs without provocation . Stepson does it all the time . He will aproach people whether he knows their beliefs or not and uses strong language to say things like god is bullshit - jesus is a liar . He goes after any church people he sees , especially elderly persons who go door to door for a church . He screams vulgarities out of car windows as he passes churches . Reminds me a little of when someone has a spirituality thread on here , then a person pops in to bash them and their beliefs relentlessly . If they believe in some thing else what does it matter , whats the point in arguing about those things . Christians do the same things to athiests but to think they are the only ones who do it would be inaccurate . I understand the christians think they can save someone / or are trying to convince themselves of their religeon . But its abusive behavior regardless of who does it or why they do it . With over 2000 posts you surely have come across this what I'm saying , maybe you never noticed it . Objectively looking at things you can see it all over this forum . I dont care who or what anyone believes in thats their choice to make . But even to say atheists are or christians are or women are or men are can be discriminatory in of itself by generalizing stereotypes into molds and forming opinions about them because they are in a category . My best friend and neighbor is a muslim , I am not and we get along great . Many of his friends are jewish or athiests and we never have those argumentive discussions when were together . I'm talking about abusive people who dont need to be anything to find a way to abuse someone . And I'm sure there must be certain athiests who are abusive , just like the religeous ones . If you dont know anyone like that then your either lucky or dont see it .
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Nothing you said to me sounds like "pushing" beliefs on anyone. Being critical and even hostile to other people's beliefs is not the same. IMO, pushing beliefs on people is forcing someone to adopt a position based on that belief, sort of like how Christians try to use the police power of government to get others to behave the way THEY believe they should. Even the unveiled threat of eternal damnation is a way that people push their beliefs on others. I can't even think of anything equivalent that an atheist can do. I think we just look at the phrase a bit differently. That okay and now I understand what you are saying, I just don't think it is an accurate portrayal of reality.
 
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