Asking first and Firing later

What I have left to purchase

• One 400w Digilux 45,000lumen MH bulb
• One quart Organicare Seaplex
• Eight ounce Emerald Triangle Snow Storm Ultra
• One liter Advanced Nutrients Bud Candy

Vegetative: 0.6ec to 1.2ec
Concept: ~4 week vegetative period. Goal is as always - to produce the biggest and healthiest plants as fast as possible.

• My primary Macro system is Canna Coco A+B and it is the backbone of the whole grow.
• My tap water is about 0.12ec so I also supplement with Botanicare Cal-Mag plus.
• The concept of amino-acids, vitamins, surfactants, and chelators is not lost on me. I have been using Botanicare Liquid Karma for a while now and my plants are always better with the stuff.
• Silicon is an unfortunately neglected element in Canna Coco so I supplement this, with a little additional potassium, using DynaGro Pro-Tekt.
• In addition to the LK I'd like to occasionally use Seaplex to provide a cold-press North American Brown Kelp extract to provide additional cytokins and amino-acids straight to the root zone.

Flowering: 1.2ec to 1.8ec to 0.8ec
Concept: Combining a large variety of pk and mag sources to supplement the Canna Coco A+B baseline and provide an appropriate ratio of elements. Sliding from ~2-5-4 to ~1-3-2 to ~1-4-3. Utilizing a combination of proven resin enhancing supplements in order to maximize potency of personal medicals.

• All vegetative nutrients remain in use at decreased levels.
• Botanicare Ripe will be added at a low level to balance npk ratio.
• Botanicare Hydroplex will be added as a full spectrum bloom booster.
• General Hydroponics Liquid KoolBloom may be used at low levels as PK boost for a short time.
• Advanced Nutrients Bud Candy used to stimulate resin production and provide magnesium.
• Emerald Triangle Snow Storm Ultra used to stimulate resin production, aid in nutrient uptake, and reduce the total volume of nutrients used (lower EC).

Foliar Feeding

• Recipe per gallon:

1. Organicare Seaplex} 10ml
2. Humboldt Nutrients FlavorFul}2ml
3. Snow Storm Ultra }0.5ml
4. Liquid Karma } 10ml
5. 8ml Organicare Huvega
6. Drop of surfactant

• Foliar feeding is focused on the under side of the leaves and continues on though to about day 40 of flowering when Snow Storm is no longer in use.
• Done once a week with nutrients.
• Twice a week a foliar spray is performed with surfactant but sans nutrients.
• Always preformed just as the lights are coming on.
• Less is more!

I can only comment on what I know. Snow Storm Ultra is now Purple Maxx. It is the same stuff, usually the same price, but now, on top of the same snow storm formula, it brings out purple tendencies. At least it works on plants with any purple tendencies. It's making nugs turn purple that I didn't know could, and they are so much healthier than usual. Not that my nugs are ever unhealthy Liquid Karma is goooood shit, and I always recommend it, it truly represents the name. Seaplex - does this have kelp? Kelp is a + 100% of the time in veg, and a lot in flower. When you are using a ca/mg supplement, a carbon/carbohydrate supplement like liquid karma, and a silica supplement like DynaGro, it gives explosive results. These are key ingredients that are often given in too little amounts, but they work in conjunction with each other for stronger cell structure, inside and out, and aids in uptake of everything, especially that delicious carbohydrate.

I am a House & Garden grower, and I try to keep as up to date with the product as possible. Canna is a commission by House & Garden, which is to say, a formula that is not the original, given out to another sister-company. While Canna basically advertises itself as a cannabis growing nutrient with it's name, it is not the secret Van De Zwann recipe, that is so closely guarded, and we pay out the fucking yin-yang for. Traditionally, if you're going to use a nutrient line up, use the whole line up and stick to it, don't make up your own recipe too much. Sticking to the A&B at least is smart, but you should rely more heavily on the entire Canna line up, or another line up.

Realize when combining synthetics and organics you risk souring your reservoir very quickly without very well maintained temps. If this Seaplex contains fish emulsion, you may want to consider TechnaFlora B. Seaweed. Kelp extracts do not usually cause problems, they are very stable. Is the MH going to be vert and the HPS horizontal? If they are both going to be vert you may want to consider a digital MH 600w, unless heat would be an issue. The digilux kicks ass, but strangely the 600w digital MH by digilux does not work well with the 400/600w switch NexGen ballast... Funny.

Jozikins said:

I can only comment on what I know. Snow Storm Ultra is now Purple Maxx. It is the same stuff, usually the same price, but now, on top of the same snow storm formula, it brings out purple tendencies.

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Purple Maxx is like 3x the cost of Snow Storm Ultra. I don't think they are exactly the same and I'm okay with normal colored weed.

Jozikins said:

Seaplex - does this have kelp?

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use Seaplex to provide a cold-press North American Brown Kelp extract

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As stated above, yes, cold-pressed kelp extract. I've used it before and it does a good job of reducing internode spacing without slowing growth.

Jozikins said:

Traditionally, if you're going to use a nutrient line up, use the whole line up and stick to it, don't make up your own recipe too much. Sticking to the A&B at least is smart, but you should rely more heavily on the entire Canna line up, or another line up.

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I have used the entire Canna lineup several times now and found it to fall short in flowering. That is my motivation for dialing it in other ways.

Jozikins said:

Realize when combining synthetics and organics you risk souring your reservoir very quickly without very well maintained temps. If this Seaplex contains fish emulsion, you may want to consider TechnaFlora B. Seaweed. Kelp extracts do not usually cause problems, they are very stable.

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Thank you for the nod on the TechnaFlora. There is no fish emulsion in the Seaplex. I'll actually be primarily applying that product as a foliar spray. Perhaps as a root drench 3 or 4 times over the entire grow.

Jozikins said:

Is the MH going to be vert and the HPS horizontal? If they are both going to be vert you may want to consider a digital MH 600w, unless heat would be an issue. The digilux kicks ass, but strangely the 600w digital MH by digilux does not work well with the 400/600w switch NexGen ballast... Funny.

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The MH will be vertical, the HPS horizontal. I do not have the budget for this grow to get another digital ballast. It is good to know that the Digilux kicks ass though, I feel better about that purchase now.



Thank you very much for your time and input here Jozikins. Sounds like you think everything is good.

It all sounds golden to me! I am such a avid fan of Digilux now after getting to play with the 400w HPS. as a 600w grower I was skeptical, but it preformed just as well on 2 plants as my 600w does on 3, so I was pretty stoked! They are brighter than what you are used too, so keep them a few inches higher than normal, for the first few days. Can you, or somebody else tell me why I've never sprayed kelp on my plants??? It makes so much ridiculous sense! I don't even know why I bought nitrozyme... on that note, be careful when spraying snow storm or purple maxx, your lights will burn the shit out of your plants if you don't raise them first.

Nitrozyme does some crazy shit on little clones btw. Stressed them a little, but they like... auto topped themselves into bushes. Blew my mind. But I don't really think it's made for weed anyways, grow store guy says it's more for bell peppers. Technaflora also makes a product called Soluable Seaweed. Is a dry concentrate, it's not only more potent and will last longer, it can be stored indefinitely. I know you are still going to buy the Seaplex, but I gotta at least let you know this stuff is out there.

Hahaha, you know I know why your line up fell short, it's because it wasn't the real thing! Nothing beats the real thing, baby! House & Garden all the way! The entire line up alone with some Mykos gave me some really excellent results last crop, blew me away like never before. If not, I recommend adopting Bud XL and Shooting Powder into your line up. Top Booster is cool too, but you only use it for a week, but I do see a difference when I don't use it!

Also: I'm the official rollitup.org Advanced Nutriend Hater!! Boooo Advanced Nutrients!! Bud Candy is nothing special, I would recommend a cheaper carbo... anyone's carbo. Sugar Daddy is the same deal... but I guess it's only a dollar or two cheaper..

H&G coco formula is totally off base. That's why I've never used it.

Not enough Cal-Mag, too much potassium. Fine for standard hydroponics but I'm not feeling it for Cannabis in Coco. I've actually been hearing a lot about H&G lately but haven't seen anything to back up some pretty impressive/impossible claims.

Bud Candy is for real. I'm talking like 40% more resin.

I bought most of the stuff today. Almost got the Nitrozyme but I wanted something "chunkier" and went with the General Organics BioWeed instead. Only one way to find out if it is good stuff and it was only like $15 for the quart... not a big deal...

Got the Liquid Karma, Bud Candy, Snow Storm, and BioWeed for $71 from my local hydro store. Not too bad. If I manage a nice sticky harvest it will be worth every penny. I should have plenty of Seaweed extract for a while now too.

Bro, if you pull a good harvest with 71 bucks, you're on the right track. You really need to see my nugs in person to believe! H&G really does give you impossible results. Expensive like a mother fucker, though!

Snow Crash said:

Bud Candy is for real. I'm talking like 40% more resin.

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Absofrigginlutely.

I'm with you on the H&G too, they just don't have the bang for the buck and that's saying a lot when you take into account that I'm an AN guy myself.

I'd really recommend the Purple Maxx over the Snow Storm. It won't turn your plants purple unless you have deficiencies, or the it's a purple strain but it seriously packs on the trichomes, and you can use your nutrients at half strength of usual. I only use it on a few plants, because I'm still experimenting with it but the stuff does work. It's derived from river eel. So far I like it, but a little goes a looong way. It has Snow Storm Ultra in it, it should be around $25. I don't know how it works, but it definitely does. Nobody can tell me otherwise, so please nobody try...

Otherwise, it sounds solid for sure.