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Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You.

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beenthere

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"Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country."

Is this what President John F. Kennedy had in mind when he made that famous speech?


Only half of US citizens pay federal income tax, according to the latest available figures. In 2009, just 50.5% of Americans paid any income tax to the federal government -- the lowest proportion in at least half a century.

The decreasing number of taxpayers threatens government revenues, and could also cause resentment from those who believe that welfare recipients are taking money out of the economy.

151.7million US citizens paid no federal income tax in 2009, according to figures compiled by the Heritage Foundation. In 1984, the middle of the Reagan era, 85% of Americans paid federal income tax, meaning just 34.8million people did not.

How can anyone deny the fact that America is becoming a nation of lazy freeloaders.

 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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beenthere said:
151.7million US citizens paid no federal income tax in 2009, according to figures compiled by the Heritage Foundation.
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lol.

funny how the heritage foundation omits that about a third of the nation (105 million people) is below age 15 or above age 65.

so we have 45 million or so people between age 15 and 65 paying no income taxes out of 310+ million, about 15%.

add together the unemployed, disabled, stay at home moms and dads, college students, and trust fund babies, and we see that we have a very small number of able bodied people people not paying income taxes.

not to mention people like me, who are begging to pay taxes on my treadmill production and sales. let's not forget tax cheats like incognition! and under the table workers, too.

so i'm going to go ahead and deny your retarded assertion that we are a nation full of lazy freeloaders, herr beenqueer.
 
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beenthere

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UncleBuck said:
lol.

funny how the heritage foundation omits that about a third of the nation (105 million people) is below age 15 or above age 65.

so we have 45 million or so people between age 15 and 65 paying no income taxes out of 310+ million, about 15%.

add together the unemployed, disabled, stay at home moms and dads, college students, and trust fund babies, and we see that we have a very small number of able bodied people people not paying income taxes.

not to mention people like me, who are begging to pay taxes on my treadmill production and sales. let's not forget tax cheats like incognition! and under the table workers, too.

so i'm going to go ahead and deny your retarded assertion that we are a nation full of lazy freeloaders, herr beenqueer.
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LMAO Only a stupid fuck like you Bucky, wouldn't be able to figure out the same demographics were used in 1984.
So in 1964 they also counted people between age 15 and 65 paying no income taxes, the unemployed, disabled, stay at home moms and dads, college students, and trust fund babies.
Do you try hard at being wrong or are you just stoned out of your gourd all the time.


NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- More than one in three Americans lived in households that received Medicaid, food stamps or other means-based government assistance in mid-2010, according to a new report.
The federal government sent a record $2 trillion to individuals in fiscal 2010, up nearly 75% from 10 years earlier.

The number of Americans receiving food stamps rose from 17.9 million in 1980 to 46.2million today.

In June 1992, nearly 3.3 million workers were receiving federal disability payments — equaling to about one person relying on such payments for every 35.5 people in the labor force. In May of this year, there were 8.7 million workers taking federal disability payments. That equaled 1 worker taking disability payments for each 16.3 people working.CNS News reports.

If this isn't proof of Americans becoming much more reliant on government, you're a blind fool.


 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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beenthere said:
In May of this year, there were 8.7 million workers taking federal disability payments.
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OMFG! do you mean to say that a whopping 2.7% of people in this nation are on disability?

STOP THE MOTHERFUCKING PRESSES!

those fucking lazy freeloaders, how dare they be disabled! :cuss:

herr beenqueer, you should start a "put the lazy disabled freeloaders back to work" campaign. it's what you were meant for. it's your calling.

your other calling is abusing gangly, sickly, yellow twigs and bragging about it to better growers than yourself.
 
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beenthere

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UncleBuck said:
thank you for finally highlighting the successes of trickle down, by the way.
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Participation in the Department of Agriculture's Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the program to which "food stamps" refers, has increased from an average of 28.2 million people per month in FY 2008 to 46.2 million as of October 2011.

That's not trickle down dipshit, that's Obominomics!
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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beenthere said:
Participation in the Department of Agriculture's Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the program to which "food stamps" refers, has increased from an average of 28.2 million people per month in FY 2008 to 46.2 million as of October 2011.

That's not trickle down dipshit, that's Obominomics!
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ya mean to say that food stamp usage goes up after business men presidents crash the economy?

you are a genius!

 
Justin00

Justin00

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i think you both are trying to skew the statistics and underplay the points of your choosing.

Most people who claim disability (that i know) are actually able to preform many jobs with out interfering with there issue. and if not why does the gov not create jobs tailored to there needs to allow them for serve a purpose and earn their money? I am all for government "AID", but not government dependence.
 
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beenthere

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Justin00 said:
i think you both are trying to skew the statistics and underplay the points of your choosing.

Most people who claim disability (that i know) are actually able to preform many jobs with out interfering with there issue. and if not why does the gov not create jobs tailored to there needs to allow them for serve a purpose and earn their money? I am all for government "AID", but not government dependence.
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I'm not skewing a thing, the statistics I posted are from the department of labor.
Am I suggesting many of the people on government disability may not deserve it, yes I am.
What other explanation is there for the number of people collecting federal disability almost tripling in the last twenty years! With all the new safety regulations since 1992, you would think the amount of disability claims would have went down. So either most of these regulations are useless or more people are faking claims.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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1 in 37 people in the entire nation are on disability.

stop the presses! we got lazy mooches mooching it up everywhere! i mean, 1 out of 37? unacceptable!
 
Justin00

Justin00

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UncleBuck said:
1 in 37 people in the entire nation are on disability.

stop the presses! we got lazy mooches mooching it up everywhere! i mean, 1 out of 37? unacceptable!
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actually......................... that is a shit ton. holy fuck. how sure are you that's the actual ratio?

i honestly expected more along the lines of 1 in 100 or 150ish or less. disability is only one small part of the welfare system no?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Justin00 said:
actually......................... that is a shit ton. holy fuck. how sure are you that's the actual ratio?
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that means you go down the block, walk past 10 average houses, and in one of those houses one person will be on disability.

that's not a lot at all.

how am i sure that's the actual ratio? i can do math.
 
Justin00

Justin00

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UncleBuck said:
that means you go down the block, walk past 10 average houses, and in one of those houses one person will be on disability.

that's not a lot at all.

how am i sure that's the actual ratio? i can do math.
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i'm am sorry but your skillz at maths does not tell me how reliable you stats are or where they came from. i'm just curious as i want to do a little more investigating on this topic. i really had no idea so many people were able to no work. for that to be the case 2.5% of each of our salaries would be required to support them. and that's just the ones on disability.

ps: my maths are simple fast and do not take into account many factors.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Justin00 said:
i'm am sorry but your skillz at maths does not tell me how reliable you stats are or where they came from. i'm just curious as i want to do a little more investigating on this topic. i really had no idea so many people were able to no work. for that to be the case 2.5% of each of our salaries would be required to support them. and that's just the ones on disability.

ps: my maths are simple fast and do not take into account many factors.
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yeah, your math is horrible.

the number given by herr beenthere was 8.7 million. divide 313 million (our population) by 8.7 million and get .027, or 2.7%. divide 100 by 2.7 and you get 37, or 1 in 37 people collecting disability.

disability is not a lot. how the hell you came up with "2.5% of each of our salaries" is beyond me, it is just so wildly inaccurate and far off that it indicts your credibility on almost anything else you say from here on out.
 
Nitegazer

Nitegazer

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Interesting graph, beenthere.

However, the information you show does not necessarily support your thesis-- freeloader Americans. There are several groups of people that do not pay taxes whose populations are growing. For instance:

Prison Population:
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Growth of those At Retirement Age:
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I don't think it fair to charactorize elderly dependent on Social Security or Prison inmates as 'lazy freeloaders'.

Here are some other perspectives that weaken your thesis (ala Center on Budget and Policy Priorities):

Your figures cover only the federal income tax and ignore the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay. As a result, these figures greatly overstate the share of households that do not pay federal taxes. Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009

Low-income households as a group do pay federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data show that the poorest fifth of households paid an average of 4.0 percent of their incomes in federal taxes in 2007, the latest year for which these data are available

When all federal, state, and local taxes are taken into account, the bottom fifth of households pays about 16 percent of their incomes in taxes, on average. The second-poorest fifth pays about 21 percent
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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let's say 98 people are working, making their $50k average salaries.

98 x $50k = $4,900,000

and two people are collecting disability, about $12k a year let's say (not sure if that's accurate).

$24,000/$4,900,000 = less than one half of one percent.

sorry justin, your math sucks.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Nitegazer said:
Interesting graph, beenthere.

However, the information you show does not necessarily support your thesis-- freeloader Americans. There are several groups of people that do not pay taxes whose populations are growing. For instance:

Prison Population:
View attachment 2243311

Retirees (the MS is for Mississippi):
View attachment 2243327

I don't think it fair to charactorize elderly dependent on Social Security or Prison inmates as 'lazy freeloaders'.

Here are some other perspectives that weaken your thesis (ala Center on Budget and Policy Priorities):

Your figures cover only the federal income tax and ignore the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay. As a result, these figures greatly overstate the share of households that do not pay federal taxes. Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009

Low-income households as a group do pay federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data show that the poorest fifth of households paid an average of 4.0 percent of their incomes in federal taxes in 2007, the latest year for which these data are available

When all federal, state, and local taxes are taken into account, the bottom fifth of households pays about 16 percent of their incomes in taxes, on average. The second-poorest fifth pays about 21 percent
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don't give him facts, until that 8 year old kid is working, he is a lazy freeloader.
 
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ChesusRice

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My 12 year old kid and 90 year old grandmother
Need to fucking poney up some tax money
or i am going to kill the free loaders
 
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beenthere

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Nitegazer said:
Interesting graph, beenthere.

However, the information you show does not necessarily support your thesis-- freeloader Americans. There are several groups of people that do not pay taxes whose populations are growing. For instance:

Prison Population:
View attachment 2243311

Growth of those At Retirement Age:
View attachment 2243331

I don't think it fair to charactorize elderly dependent on Social Security or Prison inmates as 'lazy freeloaders'.

Here are some other perspectives that weaken your thesis (ala Center on Budget and Policy Priorities):

Your figures cover only the federal income tax and ignore the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay. As a result, these figures greatly overstate the share of households that do not pay federal taxes. Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009

Low-income households as a group do pay federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data show that the poorest fifth of households paid an average of 4.0 percent of their incomes in federal taxes in 2007, the latest year for which these data are available

When all federal, state, and local taxes are taken into account, the bottom fifth of households pays about 16 percent of their incomes in taxes, on average. The second-poorest fifth pays about 21 percent
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Nitegazer, nothing is weakening my "thesis", even you throwing a straw man into the debate.
Read the OP, it clearly states federal income taxes, not federal insurance contributions that you incorrectly call payroll taxes. Only employers pay payroll taxes, the employees contribution is for their own SS and medicaid.

Here's another chart for ya, this one of from the IRS.
You'll notice that this statistic is characterized by tax filers only, no retirees and no prisoners.
Since 1984, the number of people in the workforce paying ZERO federal income taxes has more than doubled. Now, would it be a lie to say these people are NOT paying their fair share?



 
BA142

BA142

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I love how Republican's piss and moan about how taxpayers give money to welfare recipients....when we spend twice as much fighting pointless wars and policing the globe.


I'm no Obama fan but you numb nuts right wingers need to get the picture clear...the economy was SHIT before Obama took office. It's not quantum physics, it's common sense. Open your eyes.
 
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