AsianKatie's First Grow (Indoor)

you don't have a ph meter do you?

nongreenthumb said:

you don't have a ph meter do you?

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not a meter, its the drops.

Thats pretty annoying to use, i remember the old days of constantly adding more ph up/down. Have you noticed though that it depends on what light you look at it under as to how the color of the liquid appears. The liquid is see through so the light color will effect it but the card to compare the colors is solid which gets effected less, very hard to get it right.

It is possible to grow without meters, but me personally i think its trying to grow with a blindfold on.

nongreenthumb said:

Thats pretty annoying to use, i remember the old days of constantly adding more ph up/down. Have you noticed though that it depends on what light you look at it under as to how the color of the liquid appears. The liquid is see through so the light color will effect it but the card to compare the colors is solid which gets effected less, very hard to get it right.

It is possible to grow without meters, but me personally i think its trying to grow with a blindfold on.

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yeah i feel ya, im looking at this ppm meter on ebay its like 20 bucks with shipping..

ive gotten pretty good with the drops. years of pH testing peoples pond and aquarium water.

The problem with your plants now is going to be mainly due to ph, 1 tablespoon of the nutrients your using is not that strong at all really so the other reason why they are contorting is down to the ph being out to an extent where certain nutrients are not being absorbed properly

nongreenthumb said:

The problem with your plants now is going to be mainly due to ph, 1 tablespoon of the nutrients your using is not that strong at all really so the other reason why they are contorting is down to the ph being out to an extent where certain nutrients are not being absorbed properly

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whoa wait what?

oh & its a teaspoon not table

ph and ec meter, ESSENTIALS!!!

Put these on your shopping list to save up for.

good to see some veteran leadership helping us growers of tomorrow.

nongreenthumb said:

ph and ec meter, ESSENTIALS!!!

Put these on your shopping list to save up for.

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yes yes i know, i just dont have much money for this grow. i think i got pH ok. unless i find one ridiculously cheap, i'm going to just hold off on the pen till next grow. but i WILL get your ppm meter. kk

nongreenthumb said:

ph and ec meter, ESSENTIALS!!!

Put these on your shopping list to save up for.

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I second this, they are essential. When you get one try a paper Ph test first then do the pen meter test....I guarantee you the Ph will be off. Like he said those things aren't very accurate, they are definitely not the way to go. It's OK now but what happens when you start nutes...save your money they help a lot.

nongreenthumb said:

Thats pretty annoying to use, i remember the old days of constantly adding more ph up/down. Have you noticed though that it depends on what light you look at it under as to how the color of the liquid appears. The liquid is see through so the light color will effect it but the card to compare the colors is solid which gets effected less, very hard to get it right.

It is possible to grow without meters, but me personally i think its trying to grow with a blindfold on.

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man thats a good point,i was ph,ing for clones the other night and the meter i bought didnt work,and to go to town to get another one was not feasable,but i used 2 differant lightings to check the color because 2 differant rooms,now i understand why it was so differant.it messed me up.

what do you guys think it would cost for a ph/ec meter that is good but cheap not cheap and bad.

quit hating on the drops. at least it's not strips OKAY?! that's way worse. i'm telling you you can tell points too if you just look. through shades.. closer shades to the next will tell you approx. points (IE .5 .6 .7 etc)

i know its not as good as the pen but its what im working with for right now.

i still have to get hydroguard, hps conversion, fan, purifier and water for each of these changes. all with no job. so give me a break.

i feel like everyones hating me.

im doing OKAY. not as good as i could if i had all those things but, its my first grow ^_^ 2nd will be perfection

i use ph drops and an ec/ppm pen. got the pen off an infamous auction site for £20, $40.

morp said:

i use ph drops and an ec/ppm pen. got the pen off an infamous auction site for £20, $40.

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and your thoughts on drops?

as ngt says, depends on light. i tend to look at it against a piece of plain paper as a background. works fine for me. my tap water comes out around 7.0 so im happy with that in soil..

asiankatie said:

quit hating on the drops. at least it's not strips OKAY?! that's way worse. i'm telling you you can tell points too if you just look. through shades.. closer shades to the next will tell you approx. points (IE .5 .6 .7 etc)

i know its not as good as the pen but its what im working with for right now.

i still have to get hydroguard, hps conversion, fan, purifier and water for each of these changes. all with no job. so give me a break.

i feel like everyones hating me.

im doing OKAY. not as good as i could if i had all those things but, its my first grow ^_^ 2nd will be perfection

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We aren't hating you, at least I'm not. For your next grow if you have the money I would just recommend getting one. No hating at all, on a side note you are a female so you might be better than us guys. Almost every male has some form of color blindness....lol. The reason I like the meters so much is that when I grew without one I worried if it was Ph the nutes...etc. For my next grow I went with the meter and had no problems really and when I did it wasn't a guessing game. Also just getting you ready for flower. What happens when a plant gets older it starts to drink more, your Ph will fluctuate quite a bit especially with 5 plants trust me.

Like I said no hating just trying to help....I'm easy going I promise. You'll get through this grow fine I'm sure, but flowering isn't vegging. A meter will save you time and aggravation....hey tell that man of yours you need a Ph meter for all the driving you do for him...lol.

Gygax1974 said:

We aren't hating you, at least I'm not. For your next grow if you have the money I would just recommend getting one. No hating at all, on a side note you are a female so you might be better than us guys. Almost every male has some form of color blindness....lol. The reason I like the meters so much is that when I grew without one I worried if it was Ph the nutes...etc. For my next grow I went with the meter and had no problems really and when I did it wasn't a guessing game. Also just getting you ready for flower. What happens when a plant gets older it starts to drink more, your Ph will fluctuate quite a bit especially with 5 plants trust me.

Like I said no hating just trying to help....I'm easy going I promise. You'll get through this grow fine I'm sure, but flowering isn't vegging. A meter will save you time and aggravation....hey tell that man of yours you need a Ph meter for all the driving you do for him...lol.

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yeah i see. for the next grow ill def. have both. like i said before im gonna buy a ppm im working on it as we speak. but the pH meter will have to wait unless i find a super deal, the drops will have to do for now.

he gets upset about this whole weed thing as it is. he gets all pissed that im always on the forum and talking about it bla bla bla. so he's probably the last person to ask at the moment haha

asiankatie said:

yeah i see. for the next grow ill def. have both. like i said before im gonna buy a ppm im working on it as we speak. but the pH meter will have to wait unless i find a super deal, the drops will have to do for now.

he gets upset about this whole weed thing as it is. he gets all pissed that im always on the forum and talking about it bla bla bla. so he's probably the last person to ask at the moment haha

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Sounds like me ex, she drank like a fiend but heaven forbid I smoke or grow...
Good luck Katie

In reply to your latest pics of your plants. I too am a hydro grower and use fox farm nutes. My plants looked similarly about a week ago and slowly got worse. This same thing happened during my first grow and I couldn't identify it. The second time it crept up on me, after much research I was prepared. A quarter of the nutes from the fox farm feed schedule is about the correct ppm for this stage of growth. The problem with using distilled water and fox farm is there is a lack of calcium. Most growers find this in their hard water, but unfortunately for us we have to use soft. I respect nongreenthumbs advice, i'm just giving you another less experienced opinion. My leaves began to contort and get dry, later spots began to show up on my leaves. I got a cal/mag supplement that has mg,fe,mn, and ca in it to help with lockout. First day the plants perked up and that "lush vegatative growth" promised by the FF came true.

not trying to scare you, just if you can't get it under control this may be your answer.

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