Area 51 xgs 190 Exodus Cheese Grow

i can't tell from the pictures if you have cleaned out all the growth
from under the screen or not. if there is anything growing below the
screen, you should remove it.

plants look great though!

At five weeks in I think I'll leave them as they are. There is very little left under the screen. Main branches running horizontally directly under the screen have a few healthy fans doing their job. 95% of plant mass is above the screen.

How's that?

day 48. 480ppm. Only water add backs from now in.

Looks great try scrubbing them up right before flowering, then use the stretch for shaping the cola's! Rad grow man

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everything looks great! i was more concerned with making sure you
knew proper technique for a scrog than criticizing. obviously you're
onto something here, super low PPM and that degree of health is a
really good sign!

I have tried to find and read scrog threads and there are some great grows, but the threads tend to get bogged down in banter or,lol, something goes horribly wrong in flower. Fortunately the concept is not hard to grasp, it just conflicts with my being in the non defoliating wing here at riu, lol. And healthy as they may be, I'm having a hard time estimating how well the yield will turn out since I DID remove leaves and branches I would normally leave intact. So that makes me anxious...

Lower ppms are definitely working for me. I maxed at 640 last week. I might not stack calyxes as high as some but my smoke burns pure. None of the growers I really admire here exceed 800ppm at any time and they use few or no additives beyond basic nutrients.

That was the update for day 52. Not too thrilled with this run. Looks nice, but the buds aren't going to set any weight records. A couple of folks have commented on my leafiness and I think I'm done growing this strain. I like everything but my yield. I'm going to harvest pretty soon so I can jar it up before i go traveling at the end of the month. I still have twelve clones of this and I might flower them while I get something new going. Or I might just trash them and have a fresh start. Any suggestions on what I should try next are welcome.

How's the stank, I have two cheese and they are small and leafy too. Stanky though

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Oh it's terrible, lol. The buds are chunky under the foliage and a great smoke, I just need more of it. Last run I recovered the money I paid for the lights, which is fine, but I was shooting for twice that. Ounce per plant is boring...

probably about 1/3 trimmed. I think 4 plants would be better than six.

i think you're over exposing them to light to the point of diminishing returns.
obviously your plants are in great health, (just look at 'em!) it's just other
aspects of the grow that are costing you yield. stabilize your environment
for one, if you're in a basement it is likely too cold during the lights out cycle.
you might need to add a heater during the night. when night time temps
dip, it also causes humidity to go up, then you have two environmental
variables out of whack.

those are 190w LEDs, you can easily light a 2x3 space with each one.
remember that watts per square foot still applies with LED, you just shoot
for a lower number like 25-35w per square foot instead of 50+ with HID.

those plants needed to be cleaned way better also. foliage was too dense
for any photons to penetrate very far into the canopy. these pictures will
probably make the anti-defoliation peeps lose their minds, IDGAF.

white russian grown in ~7g organically amended coco, fed botanicare PBP
and earthworm castings tea.

Nice plant, not grown on a screen so not sure how it relates. I removed all the foliage below the screen; now you say I didn't remove enough. I think that's more a comment on my genetics. To remove more, I would be defoliating above the screen which makes no sense as my canopy was only 6/8 inches deep. Six plants just packed the screen too densely and it's a deficient leafy pheno. That's my belief.

I have a heater on a thermostat. It's a steady 63 degrees with 50% humidity.

My lights were 15-18 inches from the tops throughout per manufacturer's guidelines. I understand leds will bleach leaves if they are too close and I don't see that at all. You can see the intensity falling off around the perimeter and the densest, best-developed buds were directly underneath the fixtures. You think I'd do as well, or better with just one light?

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

shnkrmn said:

Nice plant, not grown on a screen so not sure how it relates. I removed all the foliage below the screen; now you say I didn't remove enough. I think that's more a comment on my genetics. To remove more, I would be defoliating above the screen which makes no sense as my canopy was only 6/8 inches deep. Six plants just packed the screen too densely and it's a deficient leafy pheno. That's my belief.

I have a heater on a thermostat. It's a steady 63 degrees with 50% humidity.

My lights were 15-18 inches from the tops throughout per manufacturer's guidelines. I understand leds will bleach leaves if they are too close and I don't see that at all. You can see the intensity falling off around the perimeter and the densest, best-developed buds were directly underneath the fixtures. You think I'd do as well, or better with just one light?

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

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that temp is too low, bring it up to 68-70 during lights off.

i think that you would do nearly as well with one light in that space.
the manufacturer lists it for a 2.5'x2.5' area, which is 6.25 sq ft.
if i were using two of those lights, i would use 'em for a 4'x3' area.

in this picture you can see that there's no light in the lower part
of the canopy. see those light colored leaves? no light is hitting
them, so no coloration.

https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/win_20141114_124552-jpg.3293594/

canopy depth is just a number, it doesn't matter if no light shines
through to the bottom. it's not water, it's leaves, they absorb light. if
you can't see how my image relates to your problem, then you haven't
really figured out the problem yet, or you're establishing a mental road
block that is preventing you from seeing the answer. what's wrong
with defoliating above the screen if you're not getting light to everything
above the screen? that's a mental blockade that you seem to have
established for a reason unbeknownst to me.

i remove fan leaves once the leaf stem gets any color. you can see
the maroon leaf stems in that picture i referenced above.

the UK cheese clone yields like a motherfucker if you do it right,
it's not the genes bro, sorry. maybe the light has enough blue to
make her leaf out a little more, but IME with the cheese, she puts
out like a fat girl on prom night.

I'm not much for this kind of debate. Your being condescending now, and I've been polite. I grew out exo cheeze from Dinafem a few years ago and got the kind of results you refer to. Foolishly flowered the mom, so I got some Greenhouse seeds gear thinking there wouldn't be a difference.. Night and day difference. Yes, it is a leafy individual phenotype of, well, something cheesy, but nothing like Dinafem's version,okay?

Don't psychoanalyze me. The only mental block I have is taking advice from leaf pluckers.

Now that it's mostly trimmed I have the impression that there's way more bud than the last run. I have to move it elsewhere now, so I'll weigh it wet for fun. What remains in the screen, who knows? 6 hours trimming is all I can stand. I might let it go another week, take another look.

588g wet weight.

Plants self-defoliate...................soooo I just let them do the work for me

nice grow and stay safe