Are any of you here a Sensitive?

ganja man23

ganja man23

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mindphuk said:
Nice story. Glad you started it like most fairy tales begin because that's what it is when you make shit up. There is a world of difference between thinking that there might be some latent ability, force or part of nature that we haven't discovered yet and revisionist history that runs contrary to every historical and archeological fact about the development of the human species. Don't confuse sci-fi/fantasy fiction with reality.


Some of us are more oblivious than others.
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did you ever think that perhaps everything is based on perception and many others consider you just as oblivious (if not more)? the fact that you share similar beliefs with others doesn't give you any more validity then anyone else. do you consider yourself much more intelligent than others for limiting yourself to what you see in "your reality"? or perhaps you're like a verbal crusader taking down all who don't agree with you?

people will read and come upon their own conclusions, similar to what they do to your post. personally i'm thankful for all insights. do you think we;re here tooting our own horns? can't be further from the truth. if i was a horn tooter i would be downtown right now handing out various pamphlets with various messages of bullshit on them.

the problem arises when someone is sharing information and rather then providing valuable counter information, you bring up fairy tales. how can you really prove anything you have been taught unless you witness it yourself? chances are you believe everything your history teachers tell you without question but how can you if you were not there to experience it yourself?
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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I have to side with Mindphuk on this one, just because we haven't figured something out yet, doesn't mean we can just simply write it off as "magic"

Maybe there is a psychic out there that does exist, someone who can legitimately read minds... but throughout the history of mankind, every person who has laid claim to this ability was an outright liar and a hoaxer. It's scary because the human animal psyche has the ability to lie to itself so convincingly that it starts to believe the lie.

I think, that unless we doubt ourselves in everything we think we know... and always leave room for doubt with what we think we know, we will never be able to be honest with ourselves, and we will never get to know ourselves entirely...

...Our deepest fears, the ones we pretend aren't there... the ones that we hide from ourselves, and our most cherished desires, some that may surprise, confound, and disgust us that we even have them.

To not doubt our beliefs is outright absurd, it is replacing fear with artificial certainty. The aspect of a cowardly thinker.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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I think that any idea which starts out with "I think" is okay to express. It's like saying 'in my mind' or 'the way I see it'. It is simply a description of thought. I am not sure you can get further from "this is fact" than saying "this is what I think". Although the idea may be inaccurate and contrary to evidence, stated in this way it's an idea who's reach has not exceeded it's grasp.
 
eye exaggerate

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Zaehet Strife said:
I like it when i have my phone in my hand and im getting ready to press send when the person i was just getting ready to call, calls me.... im like woah, that was AWESOME. Coincidence? Yea, most likely.
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...yep, dual incidence of a related nature. A connection, if you will :razz:
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Ganja man,
That's all I wanted to do. But everyone wants to call you wrong or crazy based upon, "why is it only you!"Einstein was the only one with his space and time theory, relativity.To this day there are those devoting their life to proving him wrong!
 
ganja man23

ganja man23

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Canna Sylvan said:
Ganja man,
That's all I wanted to do. But everyone wants to call you wrong or crazy based upon, "why is it only you!"Einstein was the only one with his space and time theory, relativity.To this day there are those devoting their life to proving him wrong!
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Exactly my point. Why dedicate life to going against the wave? We must project our energy to continue graduating upwards. Fear, doubt,negativity will all lead backwards and unfortunately when you experience that path you are oblivious to it. Doesn't matter how smart you may think you are, in fact the more physically intelligent, the more oblivious i have found in my experience. these guys think they deserve a big cookie for "disproving" others. i've said it many times but a absence of evidence is not evidence of an absence. if you choose to live life a certain way, then so be it. there's one thing i can't stand in this world and it's people who want to take things away from others when it doesn't affect them. Why don't they let us smoke up where we want? Why don't we let gay people marry who they want? if a gay guy gets married, is that going to make you gay? these are all things that would not affect you if you did not choose to engage in them so my question is why do others care?

btw i love your sig. wish we could all have insights like that. that's our problem, we think we're so great at the moment we've become delusional and don't see our next step in progression. don't get me wrong, we are great but not living up to the full potential.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Ganja man,
Yep. They talk about fairy tales, yet those like us make them. Imagine a life without those fairy tales to amuse us. It'd be boring, huh?
 
ganja man23

ganja man23

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Canna Sylvan said:
Ganja man,
Yep. They talk about fairy tales, yet those like us make them. Imagine a life without those fairy tales to amuse us. It'd be boring, huh?
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While most fairy tales are considered fake and made up, i think that's the very thing that makes them real. We'll all learn soon enough that fairy tales are no less fictional than what we perceive as our physical reality. This doesn't mean they exist within it, just that they simply exist in some form, even as non physical perception. True reality is even stranger then imagination.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
Ganja man,
That's all I wanted to do. But everyone wants to call you wrong or crazy based upon, "why is it only you!"Einstein was the only one with his space and time theory, relativity.To this day there are those devoting their life to proving him wrong!
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Big difference between something like what you're describing, which has no way of verifying it, and Einsteins theory of special relativity, which can be, and has been, verified.

That's exactly the distinction skeptics highlight with their doubt.

How is there value in anything that can't be verified besides the emotional aspect that it might make some people feel better?

ganja man23 said:
Exactly my point. Why dedicate life to going against the wave? We must project our energy to continue graduating upwards. Fear, doubt,negativity will all lead backwards and unfortunately when you experience that path you are oblivious to it. Doesn't matter how smart you may think you are, in fact the more physically intelligent, the more oblivious i have found in my experience. these guys think they deserve a big cookie for "disproving" others. i've said it many times but a absence of evidence is not evidence of an absence. if you choose to live life a certain way, then so be it. there's one thing i can't stand in this world and it's people who want to take things away from others when it doesn't affect them. Why don't they let us smoke up where we want? Why don't we let gay people marry who they want? if a gay guy gets married, is that going to make you gay? these are all things that would not affect you if you did not choose to engage in them so my question is why do others care?

btw i love your sig. wish we could all have insights like that. that's our problem, we think we're so great at the moment we've become delusional and don't see our next step in progression. don't get me wrong, we are great but not living up to the full potential.
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Absence of evidence is exactly that, the absence of any evidence. What you seem to be doing is making a giant leap in reasoning and claiming that just because we haven't found anything yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist, to that I ask, why don't you believe in Russel's teapot or my invisible dragon? It's unreasonable to automatically believe every unverifiable claim simply because we haven't verified it yet.

Believing in certain things can be dangerous, and disbelieving in reality to favor some pseudo-intellectual, new age type of spiritualism can, and in most cases does cause people indirect harm, whether you accept it or not. It's not simply about your belief, it's about what your belief does to you and how you act because of it. Do you think fundamentalist Christians, those that take the Bible literally word for word, are going to support legislation on equal civil rights for homosexuals or abortion rights for families who need them? No, they're not, because their faith tells them it's sinful. That hurts people.
 
ganja man23

ganja man23

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Padawanbater2 said:
Big difference between something like what you're describing, which has no way of verifying it, and Einsteins theory of special relativity, which can be, and has been, verified.

That's exactly the distinction skeptics highlight with their doubt.

How is there value in anything that can't be verified besides the emotional aspect that it might make some people feel better?



Absence of evidence is exactly that, the absence of any evidence. What you seem to be doing is making a giant leap in reasoning and claiming that just because we haven't found anything yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist, to that I ask, why don't you believe in Russel's teapot or my invisible dragon? It's unreasonable to automatically believe every unverifiable claim simply because we haven't verified it yet.
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I can't give you insights until you overcome the fact that what you see is not all that is, in fact it's a fraction of limitation. I don't mean that dragons are real, I mean absolutely everything in front of your eyes does not exist in the way your perceive it. Its one of the limitations of the brain and until you can escape that limitation, you will not know what I mean. You are merely speculating what you think I THINK.

So tell me exactly why is your invisible dragon not real? Can you prove to me it doesn't exist with old concrete evidence other than your claim that you shouldn't have to prove it? Dont just say that i cant prove its existance, i dont need to because its not in my reality, you brought it up so prove to me that the invisible dragon does not exist. Youll find that when you limit yourself to soemthing, you block all other options from coming to you. I have a hard time seeing how your response even relates to what I said which leads me upon the conclusion that you don't understand it.

Think about what I said, it's important not to limit yourself. The only reason you do is because you fear that you will gain beliefs that are "incorrect". When you have the wrong beliefs that do not resonate with your true self, you will become unbalanced, much like you have shown. You think because I believe that reality is within consciousness that I have lost out on life? Far from true. I know that's a common fear amongst people and you need to let go of that. You're only here for a limited time after all ;)
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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ganja man23 said:
did you ever think that perhaps everything is based on perception and many others consider you just as oblivious (if not more)? the fact that you share similar beliefs with others doesn't give you any more validity then anyone else. do you consider yourself much more intelligent than others for limiting yourself to what you see in "your reality"? or perhaps you're like a verbal crusader taking down all who don't agree with you?

people will read and come upon their own conclusions, similar to what they do to your post. personally i'm thankful for all insights. do you think we;re here tooting our own horns? can't be further from the truth. if i was a horn tooter i would be downtown right now handing out various pamphlets with various messages of bullshit on them.

the problem arises when someone is sharing information and rather then providing valuable counter information, you bring up fairy tales. how can you really prove anything you have been taught unless you witness it yourself? chances are you believe everything your history teachers tell you without question but how can you if you were not there to experience it yourself?
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Dude, if you can't see the joke of taking someone's typo that has a different meaning than he intended and turning it back on him, I really can't help you. Not everything I or anyone else says is as serious as you seem to be taking it.

That said, my reality is the same as yours. You have a subjective view of it as do I, but unless you have evidence to the contrary, the validity of my view is supported by more than 'sharing beliefs' but you can believe whatever sci-fi or fantasy story you can concoct but I will stick with empiricism and skepticism.

You seem to be under the incredibly credulous assumption that anything that can be thought of has any validity, let alone equal validity to how most people define reality. Do you honestly think that every sci-fi story that gives a fantastical explanation as to human origins are all equally as valid as the scientific pursuit of the same question? If you do, then I'm sorry, we are at an impasse and cannot communicate on any level that I can consider sanity.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ganja man23 said:
I can't give you insights until you overcome the fact that what you see is not all that is, in fact it's a fraction of limitation.
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How do you know?

ganja man23 said:
I don't mean that dragons are real, I mean absolutely everything in front of your eyes does not exist in the way your perceive it. Its one of the limitations of the brain and until you can escape that limitation, you will not know what I mean. You are merely speculating what you think I THINK.
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You're telling me I am speculating on what I think you think, yet in the same breath you're speculating on the way I perceive reality.

ganja man23 said:
So tell me exactly why is your invisible dragon not real? Can you prove to me it doesn't exist with old concrete evidence other than your claim that you shouldn't have to prove it? Dont just say that i cant prove its existance, i dont need to because its not in my reality, you brought it up so prove to me that the invisible dragon does not exist. Youll find that when you limit yourself to soemthing, you block all other options from coming to you. I have a hard time seeing how your response even relates to what I said which leads me upon the conclusion that you don't understand it.
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You don't prove negatives in science, that's the point, and that isn't how it works. If it was, we'd be here all day attempting to prove every single thing you can think of and failing because we don't have the time or resources to prove every single negative claim false.

I can't prove an invisible dragon doesn't exist any more than I could prove Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, gods, etc. don't exist, and neither can you, which is why it's foolish to assume certainty, as you do.

ganja man23 said:
Think about what I said, it's important not to limit yourself. The only reason you do is because you fear that you will gain beliefs that are "incorrect". When you have the wrong beliefs that do not resonate with your true self, you will become unbalanced, much like you have shown. You think because I believe that reality is within consciousness that I have lost out on life? Far from true. I know that's a common fear amongst people and you need to let go of that. You're only here for a limited time after all ;)
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The only limits are the same sets of standards when analyzing the evidence. The very reason I hold these limits are to ensure the things I believe are correct. Why would I want to fool myself into believing something is correct when it isn't? Every belief I hold has a credible basis in reality.

As I said before, it isn't about what you believe, it's about how those beliefs make you conduct yourself in the real world. Some people, a lot of people actually, hold beliefs that harm people. I am appalled people are selfish enough to believe some of the things they believe at such an incredible cost and exclaim "I have a right to my beliefs". Nothing could be more selfish, imo.


Can you show me anything that lends value to the beliefs you've described you hold, or, can you give me any reason why I should suspend my standards for reality in favor of such beliefs?
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Zaehet Strife said:
I think, that unless we doubt ourselves in EVERYTHING we think we know... and always leave room for doubt with what we think we know, we will never be able to be honest with ourselves, and we will never get to know ourselves entirely...
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This also applies to your certainty of your belief that no ones knows if 'gods' or 'souls' exist.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:
This also applies to your certainty of your belief that no ones knows if 'gods' or 'souls' exist.
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If we filter the strawman from your statement, which is that no one knows if gods or souls exist, we are left with the actual statement of, I don't know that gods/souls exist and I have never met anyone else who knew either, which is an expression of doubt, utterly devoid of certainty.
 
ganja man23

ganja man23

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mindphuk said:
Dude, if you can't see the joke of taking someone's typo that has a different meaning than he intended and turning it back on him, I really can't help you. Not everything I or anyone else says is as serious as you seem to be taking it.

That said, my reality is the same as yours. You have a subjective view of it as do I, but unless you have evidence to the contrary, the validity of my view is supported by more than 'sharing beliefs' but you can believe whatever sci-fi or fantasy story you can concoct but I will stick with empiricism and skepticism.

You seem to be under the incredibly credulous assumption that anything that can be thought of has any validity, let alone equal validity to how most people define reality. Do you honestly think that every sci-fi story that gives a fantastical explanation as to human origins are all equally as valid as the scientific pursuit of the same question? If you do, then I'm sorry, we are at an impasse and cannot communicate on any level that I can consider sanity.
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there's a major difference between science and spirituality. the sad truth is that they are not considered equal in society for some reason. spirituality has one universal meaning an it comes from within. science is providing credibility for the physical world. both are necessary for true balance. you all act as if i believe every thing i hear. if you want my belief (i have no memory of being there) than i believe we were solely created based upon extraterrestrial civilizations which did not evolve on earth like many believe we did. Why do i think this? I've noticed that we have not been able to exactly provide credibility for intelligent evolution. why we are the only ones to develop intelligence is not explained in modern evolution even based on genetics. and as further validation i choose to believe the universal messages of religion many of which say we were created by people who came from the skies. if you really care about the whole alien "conspiracy" there is enough information out there to make your mind up. we have many credible officials from the disclosure project. hours upon hours of people testifying about government coverups.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Padwan,
Once you proved it wrong, what did you get? Does it make you happy you were the one to tell a child Santa is fake? Perhaps people like you have a use, I'll hire you to tell my kids at 8 or 9 years old. I don't see the problem with imagining.
 
Padawanbater2

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ganja man23 said:
there's a major difference between science and spirituality. the sad truth is that they are not considered equal in society for some reason. spirituality has one universal meaning an it comes from within. science is providing credibility for the physical world. both are necessary for true balance. you all act as if i believe every thing i hear. if you want my belief (i have no memory of being there) than i believe we were solely created based upon extraterrestrial civilizations which did not evolve on earth like many believe we did. Why do i think this? I've noticed that we have not been able to exactly provide credibility for intelligent evolution. why we are the only ones to develop intelligence is not explained in modern evolution even based on genetics. and as further validation i choose to believe the universal messages of religion many of which say we were created by people who came from the skies. if you really care about the whole alien "conspiracy" there is enough information out there to make your mind up. we have many credible officials from the disclosure project. hours upon hours of people testifying about government coverups.
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The reason they're not considered equal in society is because spirituality isn't measurable. How do we know how accurate it is if there's no way to tell? How do I know what I perceive as spiritual is more or less valuable than what you perceive to be spiritual?

If humanity went extinct, spirituality, religion, dogma, likely wouldn't exist in the same way for the next species who arose and developed intelligence. But science would. Exactly the same. Science is universal, subjective interpretations of spirituality, isn't.

I'm curious, where does this idea of 'balance' originate? Why do you feel we need something to balance an accurate, measurable, verifiable determination of reality with something that is unverifiable, inaccurate, and inconsistent with reality, and how would that benefit the objective of discerning it?

What would be the purpose of creating humans if that were true?

What is "intelligent evolution"?

Except it is explained, fully. Why are we the only intelligent species to excel at life? Because we evolved superior intelligence, as well as the ability to implement it via hands and tools. I don't think you're appreciating the amount of time it took to accomplish such a feat. Not only that, but the requirements to attain absolute dominance. Once we reached it, it's easy to understand why. Try to beat a bonobo at chess. He'll lose 100% of the time. Try to beat a chimp at engineering an engine.. Same result.

We've developed social skills far beyond them, much faster, and they've been long lasting.

Which is exactly why anecdotal testimony is useless.
 
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