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tstick

tstick

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higher self said:
I'm defiantly gearing up to work with more of my chucks. These "breeders" always talk about selection but they only sell you 10-15 seeds & the packs are usually limited in # to some extent. So chucking IMO is the smarter move in acquiring the quantity of seeds to do selections.
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Hmmm...You DO bring up a valid point. Chucking pollen and then having thousands of seeds to select from is a far better way of finding "those" elite phenotypes in subsequent generations... But most people don't have that kind of setup and the time to do it and the trusted friends to get the job done. I guess that's why seeds are expensive.

I can also understand some bitterness expressed by skilled breeders, too. Not everyone knows how to produce a connoisseur-level finished flower, but anyone can always produce seeds...So, instead of worrying and laboring over what it really takes to produce a connoisseur flower to smoke, at the end of the road, some pollen chuckers are forgoing that part of it, altogether, and just making seeds from anything -regardless of the quality. Seeds look alike -regardless of the genetics. Flowers don't. It's easier to make seeds and call them whatever you want...They are small and inconspicuous to move around compared to stinky flowers. It's wide-open territory for any greedy-minded vampires.

I went to college in Eastern South Dakota near the Iowa border for a couple semesters -years ago when they still called them semesters! ;) And one day, my friend and I went driving down an old country road where a bunch of wild hemp plants were growing. We didn't know the difference so we harvested a bunch of the plants and took them back to the dorm to dry (lol -truth!)...Long story short...it tasted like shit and was unsmokeable. BUT, the seeds looked great! There were pounds and pounds of seeds. If I had know then, what I know now, then I might be tempted to make a killing selling small packs of hemp seeds to people and then skipping town after a few months before anyone could see the harvest! :) Nah...I'm kidding. I wouldn't have done that...but just saying... someone certainly would -especially by today's standards of ethics!
 
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higher self

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tstick said:
Hmmm...You DO bring up a valid point. Chucking pollen and then having thousands of seeds to select from is a far better way of finding "those" elite phenotypes in subsequent generations... But most people don't have that kind of setup and the time to do it and the trusted friends to get the job done. I guess that's why seeds are expensive.

I can also understand some bitterness expressed by skilled breeders, too. Not everyone knows how to produce a connoisseur-level finished flower, but anyone can always produce seeds...So, instead of worrying and laboring over what it really takes to produce a connoisseur flower to smoke, at the end of the road, some pollen chuckers are forgoing that part of it, altogether, and just making seeds from anything -regardless of the quality. Seeds look alike -regardless of the genetics. Flowers don't. It's easier to make seeds and call them whatever you want...They are small and inconspicuous to move around compared to stinky flowers. It's wide-open territory for any greedy-minded vampires.

I went to college in Eastern South Dakota near the Iowa border for a couple semesters -years ago when they still called them semesters! ;) And one day, my friend and I went driving down an old country road where a bunch of wild hemp plants were growing. We didn't know the difference so we harvested a bunch of the plants and took them back to the dorm to dry (lol -truth!)...Long story short...it tasted like shit and was unsmokeable. BUT, the seeds looked great! There were pounds and pounds of seeds. If I had know then, what I know now, then I might be tempted to make a killing selling small packs of hemp seeds to people and then skipping town after a few months before anyone could see the harvest! :) Nah...I'm kidding. I wouldn't have done that...but just saying... someone certainly would -especially by today's standards of ethics!
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Yeah most dont have the time or setup, hell it took me 10 years of growing my own to come to this conclusion & change the direction of my grows lol! I grow small not exactly micro grows but not far from it. I can go larger but with my new style I can do selections. With my chucks I'm not going to just collect them, dedicating a tent to just testing out the progeny. It's not ware/greenhouse or even a full room but when you grow in less than 1 gal pots sog style ya can pack um in!

I already have some keeper's that I really like (finally!! :eyesmoke:) so I'm not looking for my grail. Besides if I stop smoking for 2 days the weed is more than strong enough for me lol! I'm tired of the hunt for my grail when all I need is a bit of moderation. I just want to take the DIY growing hobby a lil further. Not just chucking to chuck, I do have some goals in mind.

While I do appreciate the breeder's hard work but IMO they hype their job because they dont want to be out of work as if most people did it themselves they would lose business. Like if more people started to cook at home & prepare their own meals or if everyone knew how to change their own car oil ect..certain business would lose out on would be customers. In my mind its one of those things. Again I appreciate the breeders hard work but no way if I put in another 10 years growing I wont find something absolutely fire from chucking, so I rather switch gears now. One last think I always love it when I read that these elite clones started from bag seed or some shit where there were less than 10 seeds & the best plants were pollinated :rolleyes: but I'm supposed to believe I cant have such "luck" another reason why what a keeper is, is very subjective.
 
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tstick

tstick

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higher self said:
Yeah most dont have the time or setup, hell it took me 10 years of growing my own to come to this conclusion & change the direction of my grows lol! I grow small not exactly micro grows but not far from it. I can go larger but with my new style I can do selections. With my chucks I'm not going to just collect them, dedicating a tent to just testing out the progeny. It's not ware/greenhouse or even a full room but when you grow in less than 1 gal pots sog style ya can pack um in!

I already have some keeper's that I really like (finally!! :eyesmoke:) so I'm not looking for my grail. Besides if I stop smoking for 2 days the weed is more than strong enough for me lol! I'm tired of the hunt for my grail when all I need is a bit of moderation. I just want to take the DIY growing hobby a lil further. Not just chucking to chuck, I do have some goals in mind.

While I do appreciate the breeder's hard work but IMO they hype their job because they dont want to be out of work as if most people did it themselves they would lose business. Like if more people started to cook at home & prepare their own meals or if everyone knew how to change their own car oil ect..certain business would lose out on would be customers. In my mind its one of those things. Again I appreciate the breeders hard work but no way if I put in another 10 years growing I wont find something absolutely fire from chucking, so I rather switch gears now. One last think I always love it when I read that these elite clones started from bag seed or some shit where there were less than 10 seeds & the best plants were pollinated :rolleyes: but I'm supposed to believe I cant have such "luck" another reason why what a keeper is very subjective.
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-completely valid points, man.
 
akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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There excuse is "protecting business" they say they chargeback for 100k in gear last year people making 5k orders and chargeback lol. Idk how true that is or what but dude made a huge mistake by putting that out there. You don't tell anyone that you will report them to the boys they say every business does that but idk what the procedure is for a business to prove they sent product for a person but reporting to police just doesn't sound like what Apple will do if you file chargeback. With that being said my one and only order with SHN was it but this def will make me never ever order.
 
Vato_504

Vato_504

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akhiymjames said:
There excuse is "protecting business" they say they chargeback for 100k in gear last year people making 5k orders and chargeback lol. Idk how true that is or what but dude made a huge mistake by putting that out there. You don't tell anyone that you will report them to the boys they say every business does that but idk what the procedure is for a business to prove they sent product for a person but reporting to police just doesn't sound like what Apple will do if you file chargeback. With that being said my one and only order with SHN was it but this def will make me never ever order.
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You can't pay me to believe he let chargebacks go on for a whole year before he decided to act. What site letting you make 5k orders without screening you. Most banks wouldn't ship that much until they made sure payment cleared. Dude is full of shit and a rat point blank period. I don't hate on nobody buy seeds from your choosing but if you still do business with shn you're asking for jail time.
 
kaka420

kaka420

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Bookmark deleted and unfollowed on IG.

Pretty amazing how all their loyal customers (fucking sheep) were stroking SHN off so hard that they completely missed the point that a 3rd party is now holding some of their data. You can bet your ass that data is being sold to the data mining crowd and potentially even accessible by bad dudes.

I always assumed their prices were higher because of the credit card issues, which would include charge backs. If I saw a portion of that loss I would have turned cc processing off.
 
Vato_504

Vato_504

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kaka420 said:
Bookmark deleted and unfollowed on IG.

Pretty amazing how all their loyal customers (fucking sheep) were stroking SHN off so hard that they completely missed the point that a 3rd party is now holding some of their data. You can bet your ass that data is being sold to the data mining crowd and potentially even accessible by bad dudes.

I always assumed their prices were higher because of the credit card issues, which would include charge backs. If I saw a portion of that loss I would have turned cc processing off.
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That's all he had to do man. Post on IG and his website we won't be accepting CC anymore. Nah he rather say I'll call the bank and cops on you. Plus his dumb ass leaves seedbank or something like that on your CC statement. So imagine a scenario where somebody uses your CC without you knowing to buy Seeds and you have to file a chargeback, he'll send the laws to your house. Nothing nobody says or do can change my mind on that shit. In our line of work we don't play that police shit.
 
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ThaDocta1

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Since y'all don't know how to stay on topic, I'm gone. Pointless banter and bitching I don't have time to reply to. Start a thread with your problem with SHN, don't turn my thread into your bitchfest. Done. Best of luck Rollitup, y'all need it. Peace out.
 
Vato_504

Vato_504

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ThaDocta1 said:
Since y'all don't know how to stay on topic, I'm gone. Pointless banter and bitching I don't have time to reply to. Start a thread with your problem with SHN, don't turn my thread into your bitchfest. Done. Best of luck Rollitup, y'all need it. Peace out.
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Man who gives a fuck that you're gone. You sound just like a woman man. You better grow some nuts potna. If you don't find nothing wrong with a seedbank threatening police on customers something is really wrong with you. You act like you been helping guys in this thread over that last 3.5 years. You just came in here to promote these chucks point blank. Don't let the door hit cha where the good lord split cha. Peace
 
killAgreenguy

killAgreenguy

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If u check the thread dudes is right he hasn't been here in years #1 # 2 there is no excuse for talking about involving the law when said person could be innocent and # 3 there is some info on the site but like I said in 1 he isn't here giving us the inside scoop that's the people that post multiple pics of their grow and are here constantly
 
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eastcoastmo

eastcoastmo

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oGeeFarms said:
i saw some post archive made about readjusting prices cause ppl were complaining.
honestly shn was good for one order but there shitty site and now this, i likely wont be buying from them anymore.
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Yeah fuck paying $200US for a pack of hyped beans, no thanks! Add another $35US for postage and that's an even bigger get fucked lol. That works out at over $320 for us Aussies!
 
eastcoastmo

eastcoastmo

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killAgreenguy said:
can't even front tho I still copped a few packs lol but the way he came in here and shit all over the forum is not cool
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Yeah there is no doubt he has good genetics and has worked his strains but no way I'm paying $200US for a pack. I'd go 2 packs of DJ Shorts for that price! I'm the same with DVG as well, both don't do themselves any favours when they come on here!
 
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higher self

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ThaDocta1 said:
Since y'all don't know how to stay on topic, I'm gone. Pointless banter and bitching I don't have time to reply to. Start a thread with your problem with SHN, don't turn my thread into your bitchfest. Done. Best of luck Rollitup, y'all need it. Peace out.
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:lol:

Yooooo how many times is this dude gonna keep coming back to say goodbye, brah just leave all ready, damn! clearly your personality is too weak for the internet.

Why don't you just post what the people want which is info & pictures for the new gear, your coming off as a big hypocrite & cry baby lol. Also this isnt your thread anymore you haven't posted in years, you only pop up when it's drama.
 
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