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Nate Dogg

Nate Dogg

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eastcoastled said:
Poochie love #4 at about the 75% mark. Unique smoke for sure, it stands out against most of everything else I have grown in it’s own way. Is it better or does it fuck me up more than anything else?? I don’t know, I just like the high a lot!......and I probably cull more plants per year than the average poster even runs.
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She looks really good, awesome job man. How does she smell and taste? I’ve heard a lot of good things about dog shit but never got to try it.
 
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bigiron

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Nate Dogg said:
I think you had a hard time comprehending what I was saying. When did I ever say that gassy terps only comes from chemdog? I never made that claim or even questioned if the face off he uses did. I did question it once I seen other people’s results from the slurricane he put out. Most pictures that people posted definitely looks like it has some chem or sour D somewhere in it’s genetics. Whether it’s coming from the purple punch cut he used or the dosidos cut he used, I guess no one will know until he elaborate’s on it. Also when I was talking about the strain that looks like it has chem in it’s genetics I was talking about the hazmat OG, not the Casper OG. Thats what had me confused and asked what you were trying to get at, because you misunderstood what I said. I had no clue what you were trying to get at or if you were being sarcastic, because like I said before I never made the claim that face-off had chem in it’s genetics. I watched that live stream and he doesn’t even know what the genetics are, all he said was that it was bag seeds from a bag of bud he had got and number four was the keeper. I took no offense to what you said at all, I come on these forums to ask questions and learn more about different strains because no matter how good of a grower you are, you can always learn something new. You should take your own advice and read what people say before making assumptions because you know what they say about assuming. Anyways I’m not trying to argue with people, everyone have a blessed day, and happy growing
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well there you go. i would still have trouble with agreeing on the slurricane pictures and the resemblance to chem or sour. certainly not from the PP (UrkleOG hybrid) and whether the OKGB would have chem in it should also remain doubtful, personally would not say so. growing faceoff, and knowing that the faceoff seed came from resin lung, long time forum member, cannaluminati, this is a more trustworthy source than your knockoff og seedmaker. or any other for that matter.

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bigiron
 
Nate Dogg

Nate Dogg

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bigiron said:
well there you go. i would still have trouble with agreeing on the slurricane pictures and the resemblance to chem or sour. certainly not from the PP (UrkleOG hybrid) and whether the OKGB would have chem in it should also remain doubtful, personally would not say so. growing faceoff, and knowing that the faceoff seed came from resin lung, long time forum member, cannaluminati, this is a more trustworthy source than your knockoff og seedmaker. or any other for that matter.

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bigiron
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True that then maybe these traits could be popping up in these different strains and pheno’s due to them all possibly having skunk and/or Afghan in their genetics. I’m not gonna make a claim but it’s more than likely that OG, Sour D, and even chem have skunk/afghan somewhere in their genetic tree. I guess we’ll never know for sure their exact genetics make up until they find a scientific way to figure that out. Pure landraces being steadily available was before my time and finding a reliable source for pure Landrace strains is damn near impossible nowadays. I’ve never had the honor to talk to some of these legends that paved the way for us but I did get to talk to some old timers when I was in Trinity and Shasta county and it was cool to listen to their stories about how things were back in their day. I got to meet a lot of really cool old school cats that taught me most of what I know today. I’ve got nothing but respect and gratitude for the legends and those old timers for what they went through to make it possible for us to have access to the genetics we have to and the knowledge they passed on. Hope everyone has a blessed day.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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Look up my pics of slurricane back in this thread and tell me it doesn't look like a chem or sour d cross. No purple punch at all, it tasted more chem and spicy than anything else. Was good smoke but not what I was expecting from slurricane.
 
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bigiron

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Nate Dogg said:
True that then maybe these traits could be popping up in these different strains and pheno’s due to them all possibly having skunk and/or Afghan in their genetics. I’m not gonna make a claim but it’s more than likely that OG, Sour D, and even chem have skunk/afghan somewhere in their genetic tree. I guess we’ll never know for sure their exact genetics make up until they find a scientific way to figure that out. Pure landraces being steadily available was before my time and finding a reliable source for pure Landrace strains is damn near impossible nowadays. I’ve never had the honor to talk to some of these legends that paved the way for us but I did get to talk to some old timers when I was in Trinity and Shasta county and it was cool to listen to their stories about how things were back in their day. I got to meet a lot of really cool old school cats that taught me most of what I know today. I’ve got nothing but respect and gratitude for the legends and those old timers for what they went through to make it possible for us to have access to the genetics we have to and the knowledge they passed on. Hope everyone has a blessed day.
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whilst I would totally agree that a recessive genetive traits and their phenotypic expression are a thing, you are jumping terms very quickly. unless the ET component (marty/tks words not mine) would have chem in it, possible, the reversed hindu that proliferated the TK does not have skunk in it.

its not to be completely ruled out, but if you start mentioning landraces, those might be a little far removed from lines such as the dogbud or the chem (probably predates TK, therefore the ogers and surely predates the sour) and therefore a little too far off the timeline to be taken into consideration as possible parentage.

whats striking is that a possible common denominator for the lines we are deliberating (in terms of the urkle in PP and slurricane, the hindu traits in OG and OGKB) definitely seems to connect with the notion of classic/late modern varietals out of central asia/pakistan/hindu kush/afghanistan. not sure id rule out a skunk in those and i might have to concur, (its in the white, same crew who did TK), but this raises two further questions: a) are we referring to just an afghan with skunk terps/traits or sams skunk1? b) what traits of skunk are distinctively identifiable as opposed to a PCK or other paki lines, which if you believe MaddF. definitely make up the urkle. (c), if you believe his words too, there is also a skunk in the old urkle.

hope you have a blessed day as well

best regards bigiron
 
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bigiron

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thenotsoesoteric said:
Look up my pics of slurricane back in this thread and tell me it doesn't look like a chem or sour d cross. No purple punch at all, it tasted more chem and spicy than anything else. Was good smoke but not what I was expecting from slurricane.
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right, thank you. looking at the photos that are still up and are not 2 week veg pics, while id concur that the photo from may you posted does show chem expressions (flower and leaf structure, resin, hermprone) (even a bit like some of the tops of the karma sour bx photos everyone is sharing, although a lot more resin), would you also concur that your slurricane pics also share OGKB (and arguably GSC thin mint, someone confirm if possible) (** some claim OGKB and thinmint being the same too) expressions?

thank you for sharing your photos though to add substance to the discussion. was the nose and taste chem like? was the resin more tacky like a chem or more of a dry feel like the forum and cookies hybrids.

best regards and excuse the proliferal scrutiny, i enjoy those discussions

bigiron
 
Nate Dogg

Nate Dogg

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bigiron said:
whilst I would totally agree that a recessive genetive traits and their phenotypic expression are a thing, you are jumping terms very quickly. unless the ET component (marty/tks words not mine) would have chem in it, possible, the reversed hindu that proliferated the TK does not have skunk in it.

its not to be completely ruled out, but if you start mentioning landraces, those might be a little far removed from lines such as the dogbud or the chem (probably predates TK, therefore the ogers and surely predates the sour) and therefore a little too far off the timeline to be taken into consideration as possible parentage.

whats striking is that a possible common denominator for the lines we are deliberating (in terms of the urkle in PP and slurricane, the hindu traits in OG and OGKB) definitely seems to connect with the notion of classic/late modern varietals out of central asia/pakistan/hindu kush/afghanistan. not sure id rule out a skunk in those and i might have to concur, (its in the white, same crew who did TK), but this raises two further questions: a) are we referring to just an afghan with skunk terps/traits or sams skunk1? b) what traits of skunk are distinctively identifiable as opposed to a PCK or other paki lines, which if you believe MaddF. definitely make up the urkle. (c), if you believe his words too, there is also a skunk in the old urkle.

hope you have a blessed day as well

best regards bigiron
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True, you bring up a good point and I forgot to mention that maybe/ probably PCK was used in some of these old school crosses and is possibly showing some possible traits in these crosses as well. Maybe I’ll get some feminized PCK from CSI Humboldt to see what I find and see if there’s any common traits between PCK, OG, Chem, Sour D, etc. I won’t disagree that most of these landraces are probably too far back in their lineage to show a lot of common traits with these hybrids but it would be cool to see if they do share any traits. I haven’t had the pleasure to grow out pure PCK, but I’m not gonna lie it would be fun to test it out as a possible theory. As I said before I haven’t gotten to talk to any of these legends to kind of pick their brains on the lineage or possible lineage of their strains so I kind of have to go off of my own testing and theories because a lot of breeders especially nowadays will lie to keep their “ingredients” secret or will lie blatantly because they don’t even know. If anyone can point me in the right direction to where these legends speak on some of these subjects that would be awesome because I would love to learn more about their work. I love having these types of discussions whether or not its based on 100% fact because you can always learn something and as I said before no matter how good of a grower you are you can always learn new things and become an even better one.
 
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thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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bigiron said:
right, thank you. looking at the photos that are still up and are not 2 week veg pics, while id concur that the photo from may you posted does show chem expressions (flower and leaf structure, resin, hermprone) (even a bit like some of the tops of the karma sour bx photos everyone is sharing, although a lot more resin), would you also concur that your slurricane pics also share OGKB (and arguably GSC thin mint, someone confirm if possible) (** some claim OGKB and thinmint being the same too) expressions?

thank you for sharing your photos though to add substance to the discussion. was the nose and taste chem like? was the resin more tacky like a chem or more of a dry feel like the forum and cookies hybrids.

best regards and excuse the proliferal scrutiny, i enjoy those discussions

bigiron
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It may be the ogkb for sure. It had more of what I'd consider a chem taste. It looked and tasted a lot like my cookies n chem from green point but skunkier. Wasn't bad but just not what I was expecting from slurricane but then again he used a couple males in the slurricane mix I believe he said.
 
shorelineOG

shorelineOG

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Nate Dogg said:
True, you bring up a good point and I forgot to mention that maybe/ probably PCK was used in some of these old school crosses and is possibly showing some possible traits in these crosses as well. Maybe I’ll get some feminized PCK from CSI Humboldt to see what I find and see if there’s any common traits between PCK, OG, Chem, Sour D, etc. I won’t disagree that most of these landraces are probably too far back in their lineage to show a lot of common traits with these hybrids but it would be cool to see if they do share any traits. I haven’t had the pleasure to grow out pure PCK, but I’m not gonna lie it would be fun to test it out as a possible theory. As I said before I haven’t gotten to talk to any of these legends to kind of pick their brains on the lineage or possible lineage of their strains so I kind of have to go off of my own testing and theories because a lot of breeders especially nowadays will lie to keep their “ingredients” secret or will lie blatantly because they don’t even know. If anyone can point me in the right direction to where these legends speak on some of these subjects that would be awesome because I would love to learn more about their work. I love having these types of discussions whether or not its based on 100% fact because you can always learn something and as I said before no matter how good of a grower you are you can always learn new things and become an even better one.
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I've grown pck and it's crosses for a few years, I believe what I have came from ACE.
Pck smells pure grape, it's not Kush at all, it doesn't have Afghan, skunk or any other smell but purple grape flavor. It doesn't have any common traits to the ones you listed. It's excellent to breed with and is better than purple punch and the other purples.
 
Nate Dogg

Nate Dogg

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shorelineOG said:
I've grown pck and it's crosses for a few years, I believe what I have came from ACE.
Pck smells pure grape, it's not Kush at all, it doesn't have Afghan, skunk or any other smell but purple grape flavor. It doesn't have any common traits to the ones you listed. It's excellent to breed with and is better than purple punch and the other purples.
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True that I’ve never grown PCK so like I said that was just me guessing. Now I really want to get my hands on PCK if it does indeed have a Grape/purple smell. I definitely would love to have a nice landrace Indica that’s got some grape and lavender smell/taste to it. That just makes me wonder even more why people are getting sour, peppery, and chem like terps from his Slurricane F1 especially if it’s true that FaceOff OG doesn’t have chem in it. I’ve grown out Chem4 and the nugs definitely had an OG type look to it and had a lemon, pine, earthy, and gas smell/taste to it just like most OG’s but a lot more peppery/skunky than the other OG’s I’ve grown and have tried. Maybe it was Cali connections Chem 4 OG Instead of the real clone only Chem4?
 
Chaseink501

Chaseink501

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Nate Dogg said:
Can’t wait to pop my Hazmat OG packs and the Casper OG packs. Should find some serious funky OG gas, lemon, earthy, skunky, and pine terps out of those.
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I had no luck with my hazmat og not one keeper or no were nere a keeper it was the only time I felt like I wasted space in my room. I had 5 different phenos too. Hopefully these ‘Secret Stash’ from Archive is better and redeem Archive in my mind that was my first Archive pack I was really excited to but, owelll
 
Nate Dogg

Nate Dogg

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Chaseink501 said:
I had no luck with my hazmat og not one keeper or no were nere a keeper it was the only time I felt like I wasted space in my room. I had 5 different phenos too. Hopefully these ‘Secret Stash’ from Archive is better and redeem Archive in my mind that was my first Archive pack I was really excited to but, owelll
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Damn that sucks man, I got the secret formula which uses the WiFi 43 Instead of the WiFi 3 and I’m hoping to find some fire out of those. Honestly I wanted that Hazmat and the Casper because it’s hard to find a good OG or Chem in seed form and from what I’ve seen and heard a lot of people recommended his crosses. I bought these before I ran my freebie of sour power OG from karma and I kind a wish I would’ve gotten some more of those instead but I’ll make the best of it and hopefully I’ll find a nice keeper. His rainbow drivers that came with the orders as freebies were straight fire kind of kicking myself for not cutting some clones off of them but I kind a got lucky or unlucky depending on how you look at it. I was running some of Rado‘s Blueberry Sundae in the same tent and one ended up throwing some Nanners and pollinating my favorite of the two rainbow drivers. I only got four seeds so I’m hoping they’re not duds because blueberry, candy citrus, and creamy Terps should be insane. I got two packs of each strain from archive so I’m sure I’ll be able to find a decent pheno from each strain.
 
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