APNewsBreak: US declares 22 Clinton emails 'top secret'

ChesusRice said:

Notice that if it isn't marked classified and its sent to you. You still wouldn't know it's classified.
Difference between you and me is. I hate Hilary Clinton just like you. But I'm not retarded enough to believe fake scandals like you are.

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Read #2.

see4 said:

Thanks FP.

I'd be curious to know if Hillary Clinton herself set up the private server and herself set up the mail server account to reroute to her private server. Or perhaps she got authorization to get it done. And by whom? Who set up the servers? Who changed the mail server routing?

Unauthorized retention would mean that Hilldawg must have set all this up herself, otherwise someone had to have authorized it, no?

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If anyone should be prosecuted its the IT dept. Does anyone ask is she knew her server was unprotected? I doubt it was set up by Best Buy and their Geek Squad, and if it wasn't, then it should have been protected by at least the Secret Service/NSA/CIA/FBI to monitor threats against the Secretary of State, and or, the government of the United States in general. This whole bitch hunt is orchestrated by her enemies, namely every Republican alive. Just a load of horse shit, and most Americans know what it is about, fucking with a Clinton who is running for President. (Benghazi didn't work, so try, try again)

NLXSK1 said:

She both received and sent e-mails. And what the fuck difference does it make if the e-mails were able to be hacked off her server? The point is she broke security protocol and risked the information being hacked as is apparent from the forensics done on her network.

So she is too stupid to know what secrets are and too stupid to know how to properly protect them and what does it matter why people were killed but lets vote her in as the next president??? Are you fucking kidding me???

You cant have it both ways and still retain any shred of credibility. Either she knew and didnt care or she should have known and neither one is excusable for a lawyer and lifetime politician.

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If the electronic documents were "unclassified" at the time of the correspondence she was not breaking any laws.

Prior to 2014, government documents, including emails, could have the classification of "unclassified", not until 2015 do ALL documents to and from government persons become some level of classified. I've already provided a link to the government website stating this point.

OddBall1st said:

When Hillary gets a threatening e-mail, Do you think it has to be labeled a threat to be considered a threat ? When Hillary gets an e-mail that contains a lie, does it have to be labeled a lie in order to be called a lie ?

If Hillary can`t make a call without it being labeled, what makes her Presidential material ? While knowingly is today`s word, foresight was yesterdays word she missed.

I could be wrong, wouldn`t be the first time, or, londonfog really is that dumb.

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Or perhaps you didn't think it all the way through.

Are you assuming Hillary set up the mail servers on her own? I highly doubt she is that tech-savvy. Even if she were, someone would have to authorize her IP, and she does not have legal authority to authorize such things.

And yes, if a department authorized he home private server to accept incoming and outgoing (IMAP & SMTP) mail exchanges, she can and should reasonably assume the electronic documents she is receiving are not sensitive material.

Flaming Pie said:

Notice it says marked or unmarked classified information.

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Prior to 2014, documents could be "unclassified". So there's that.

Unfortunately, the second they became classified, she broke the law by having them stored on an unsecured server. It makes no difference who set up the server, who sent them or who received them. It was her contracted or owned server and her responsibility to immediately report (not delete, that's also illegal) their existence on an unsecured server and turn herself in. There is no wiggle room in that fact. And that's exactly why you don't use private servers to conduct state business.

MuyLocoNC said:

Unfortunately, the second they became classified, she broke the law by having them stored on an unsecured server. It makes no difference who set up the server, who sent them or who received them. It was her contracted or owned server and her responsibility to immediately report (not delete, that's also illegal) their existence on an unsecured server and turn herself in. There is no wiggle room in that fact. And that's exactly why you don't use private servers to conduct state business.

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Wrong
Ex post facto
Look it up

ChesusRice said:

Wrong
Ex post facto
Look it up

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Actually, I just listened to an interview with two former CIA security experts that outlined and corroborated with the actual legalese, exactly what I stated. Not that anyone with a clearance doesn't already know this as a fact. I'll wait for the FBI's recommendation of indictment. If they do and Obama's crooked DOJ doesn't indict, it will just go on the pile of treasonous actions. I expect nothing less.

MuyLocoNC said:

Actually, I just listened to an interview with two former CIA security experts that outlined and corroborated with the actual legalese, exactly what I stated. Not that anyone with a clearance doesn't already know this as a fact. I'll wait for the FBI's recommendation of indictment. If they do and Obama's crooked DOJ doesn't indict, it will just go on the pile of treasonous actions. I expect nothing less.

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If the DOJ doesn't indict. That proves they are corrupt?
The stupid is strong in you

see4 said:

Or perhaps you didn't think it all the way through.

Are you assuming Hillary set up the mail servers on her own? I highly doubt she is that tech-savvy. Even if she were, someone would have to authorize her IP, and she does not have legal authority to authorize such things.

And yes, if a department authorized he home private server to accept incoming and outgoing (IMAP & SMTP) mail exchanges, she can and should reasonably assume the electronic documents she is receiving are not sensitive material.

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I read that the server was bill Clinton s private server after he left office.

see4 said:

Prior to 2014, documents could be "unclassified". So there's that.

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Sec. 1.4. Classification Categories. Information shall not be considered for classification unless its unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause identifiable or describable damage to the national security in accordance with section 1.2 of this order, and it pertains to one or more of the following:

(a) military plans, weapons systems, or operations;

(b) foreign government information;

(c) intelligence activities (including covert action), intelligence sources or methods, or cryptology;

(d) foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources;

(e) scientific, technological, or economic matters relating to the national security;

(f) United States Government programs for safeguarding nuclear materials or facilities;

(g) vulnerabilities or capabilities of systems, installations, infrastructures, projects, plans, or protection services relating to the national security; or

(h) the development, production, or use of weapons of mass destruction.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

see4 said:

If the electronic documents were "unclassified" at the time of the correspondence she was not breaking any laws.

Prior to 2014, government documents, including emails, could have the classification of "unclassified", not until 2015 do ALL documents to and from government persons become some level of classified. I've already provided a link to the government website stating this point.

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(e) Exceptional cases. When an employee, government contractor, licensee, certificate holder, or grantee of an agency who does not have original classification authority originates information believed by that person to require classification, the information shall be protected in a manner consistent with this order and its implementing directives. The information shall be transmitted promptly as provided under this order or its implementing directives to the agency that has appropriate subject matter interest and classification authority with respect to this information. That agency shall decide within 30 days whether to classify this information.

Signed by Obama in 2009

Plus that is for personal emails. She was conducting government business through her server.

Classified information is classified. Whether or not it is marked.

If it references a classified subject, such as those listed in 1.4 of the executive order, it must be stored and protected on a government server.

ChesusRice said:

If the DOJ doesn't indict. That proves they are corrupt?

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Correct. If the FBI strongly recommends an indictment with overwhelming evidence and they don't indict, it proves exactly that. And we already know they're corrupt, liberal toadies of the Obama administration. You know it as well. You just don't care, which makes you just as despicable.

My father had top secret clearance in the airforce. If he did not lock up and secure the information properly, he could be prosecuted.

If he had taken some of it home, or left it where people could access it....

According to Section 1236.22 of the 2009 NARA requirements, which Schmidt provided in an email, "Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system."

In short, the State Department was required to ensure that Secretary Clinton's emails, including those on personal accounts, were preserved in an agency record-keeping system. The failure to ensure such preservation would therefore likely be in violation of the federal requirements, though it's not clear whether all of her personal emails – or just those related to official business – would be required.

Schmidt believes that all of Clinton's emails would be required, and pointed to a 2008 definition from NARA that defines federal records as "documentary materials that agencies create and receive while conducting business that provide evidence of the agency's organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and operations, or because they contain information of value. "

@see4

Flaming Pie said:

Classified information is classified. Whether or not it is marked.

If it references a classified subject, such as those listed in 1.4 of the executive order, it must be stored and protected on a government server.

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You just made the ignore list
Have a happy miserable life

Flaming Pie said:

My father had top secret clearance in the airforce. If he did not lock up and secure the information properly, he could be prosecuted.

If he had taken some of it home, or left it where people could access it....

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As scary as it may be, I held one of the highest clearances while I was active duty, assigned to the US Army Visual Information Center in the Pentagon. Room 5A132 for anyone that spent time in the building. I had it because I was developing film and color printing top secret photographs alongside government employees. We all went through security training on a regular basis and it amazes me that anyone could defend this bullshit.