metrogrowth
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Has anyone tried using fog or a 3-5 micron mist in systems?
Anyone Try Fog-oponics?
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disposition84
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There seems to still be a decent amount of people on here doing high pressure aero using
fine misting heads, fatsman is a big name when it comes to those things apparently. I'm
not well versed in those things.
I do however use fog for all my cloning and partial fog for vegging station with great results.
I really like using the fog cloner over aero as I don't have to worry about leaky buckets, and
spray manifolds. Simply drop the fogger in and go, it's super simple and works fantastic.
I have read that you can't fully finish out a plant on ultrasonic fog alone. The mist heads and
high pressure do some amazing work when done right though. I have run a plant to completion
using ultrasonic fog where the roots were in the reservoir DWC style as well but I don't really
count that as fogging to finish.
fine misting heads, fatsman is a big name when it comes to those things apparently. I'm
not well versed in those things.
I do however use fog for all my cloning and partial fog for vegging station with great results.
I really like using the fog cloner over aero as I don't have to worry about leaky buckets, and
spray manifolds. Simply drop the fogger in and go, it's super simple and works fantastic.
I have read that you can't fully finish out a plant on ultrasonic fog alone. The mist heads and
high pressure do some amazing work when done right though. I have run a plant to completion
using ultrasonic fog where the roots were in the reservoir DWC style as well but I don't really
count that as fogging to finish.
GreenThumbSucker
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I have never seen a FOG crop finish. Always abandoned half way through..
Trichy Bastard
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It's true, mist in the 5 or less micron range will not sustain a plant through harvest. The question is how long can it work for? Plants have shown to grow best in the 30-80 micron mist size, with a mean size of 50 microns. I have an HPA rig outdoors here, where the sun is 12/12 year round. I am looking for a solution to clone/veg indoors under 18 hour light. I am thinking fog might be the answer, because it will help the roots to be closest to the HPA rootstructure, so when I transfer to my HPA rig, the transition will be easy on them. I have a fogponics.com Dominaero that I will try to clone and veg for a few weeks in, starting this week- unless someone already knows it won't even work for that. I already know I need to use my chiller, because the ultrasonic transducer heats up the water quite a bit, which is fine for cracking seeds and cloning, but roots don't like being in 90 degree fog.
lowe21
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thats because it is a pain in the ass with the wires and you can never tell whats going on until you blow all the fog outta the way. plus the heads go to shit fast with the the ph moving up and down. thats why i abandoned mine. but i do use it for the cloning as no need to worry about ph and ruining the head. i started a SOG with 4 tubs and had all 4 heads go to shit fast when the ph dropped to 5.4. i know thats no good but i was gone for 3 days and adjusted when i got back, but the heads still shot. glad to be done with that mess.
JJFOURTWENTY
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I used an ultrasonic fogger in my aero cloner. It worked but, 1.) all three of the discs went to shit within a day of each other just two weeks in, 2.) it heated up the reservoir way too quickly, and 3.) when I finally dumped the fogger the clone's roots started exploding shortly thereafter.
Good concept, unfortunately just doesn't translate into a real grow.
Good concept, unfortunately just doesn't translate into a real grow.
Trichy Bastard
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Ceramic coated fogging discs really help overcome the issues of them quickly failing. Either a chiller is necessary, or fogging from a remote chamber and moving the fog to the roots via fan are ways for getting around heat. The rest is probably the issue that fog just isn't providing large enough droplets to sustain growth. Anyway, I know they are good for cloning, and I still aim to see if I might squeeze a few weeks of veg outta it. Guess I'll post my findings here. I keep finding some random people who claim to be growing awesome in fog for years, but I'd bet quite a bit that they end up with a nft or SWC hybrid and aren't even realizing it, when the roots reach into the res.
cowboylogic
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As mentioned foggers have a place in the garden. But to grow with them stand alone to the finish, well rarely happens. The foggers themselves create too much heat...
kevinanderson
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If I were going to try out a new program, I'd do it for just one place. Then, once I got it realized out, then I'd range it up-wards. That way you put a lot less at possibility for when you damage.
Your venture appears to be exciting, but if you really do have a lot driving on it, then I'd do what needs to be done by tried and legitimate techniques, then the items of your experements are additional.
Your venture appears to be exciting, but if you really do have a lot driving on it, then I'd do what needs to be done by tried and legitimate techniques, then the items of your experements are additional.
JJFOURTWENTY
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There's really no sense in reinventing the wheel at this point. Variations and different interpretations of RDWC is where the future lies in my opinion.
DANKSWAG
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Metrogrowth, don't let the critics keep you from aspiring to new heights. I am requesting a sub-forum for fogponics. Would love to share what I've seen done (yes a scrog yielding high grade medicinal cannabis) and what I am currently working on to improve on existing design function and application of fogponics from Alpha to Omega.
aroma therapeutically yours,
DANKSWAG
hmm, maybe there is an opportunity here to show what can be done with fogponics to fruition (notice the root fruit pardon the pun).
JJFOURTWENTY
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lol dankswag...
DANKSWAG
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See fogponics number one critic has chimed in
Trichy Bastard
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I might be the number 2 critic after plenty of testing I deduce the mist size is too small. HPA or AA is able to produce the 30-80 micron miost perfect for growing large plants through harvest with lots of roothairs... 
Caphillaeroponics
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50 to 60 micron is perfect for HPA?
Trichy Bastard
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A range of 30-80 microns seems to be the very best. You'll likely get a broader range than the 10 microns you state just because the making of mist is somewhat of a less than precise thing by most methods... But the size you mention is definitely in the range... It would seem younger plants will do fine with that size, while bigger plants seem to like the larger microns to sustain their large mass...
DANKSWAG
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I could be wrong I have been before, once I believe just now
Any hoots we know the larger the roots the larger the plant, the larger the plant the more h20 required. Which brings me to a notable mention as to one of the reasons why most fogponics grows get abandon, the volume of fog that was great early for the seedling\clone to mid veg that produced the roots was not increased to match the growth. Again I said one of the reasons. In a DWC once the roots hit water there is no concern for H20, just the level of oxygen in it so they wont drown and proper temp and ph/ppm measurements.
It is important to keep the have the volume of fog needed to water/feed, ask the aeroponics grower how many misters they use for coverage, as many as they can to ensure full coverage.
Nonetheless I will be happy to share all I know and pictures to boot about how to build and maintain a viable fogponic system that is viable from growth to flowering. That is once I get the Fogponic sub-forum I asked for.
aroma therapeutically yours,
DANKSWAG
Trichy Bastard
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You are precisely right about the plant requiring more water- that means larger droplets however- larger than a fogger can produce.. The problem is if you try to overfog to overcome the bottleneck the roots literally drown in the dense mist of fog that is devoid of enough oxygen. The only way I see it might work- and something I intended to play with- it to fog densely, then evacuate the fog for fresh air somehow every few minutes- it might be the only way- and by then I figure I am much better off using HP or AA aero as they make the perfect sized droplets to begin with if properly setup...I could be wrong I have been before, once I believe just now
Which brings me to a notable mention as to one of the reasons why most fogponics grows get abandon, the volume of fog that was great early for the seedling\clone to mid veg that produced the roots was not increased to match the growth. Again I said one of the reasons. In a DWC once the roots hit water there is no concern for H20, just the level of oxygen in it so they wont drown and proper temp and ph/ppm measurements.
It is important to keep the have the volume of fog needed to water/feed, ask the aeroponics grower how many misters they use for coverage, as many as they can to ensure full coverage.
Nonetheless I will be happy to share all I know and pictures to boot about how to build and maintain a viable fogponic system that is viable from growth to flowering. That is once I get the Fogponic sub-forum I asked for.
aroma therapeutically yours,
DANKSWAG
