Anyone know what is wrong?

NONYA420

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The leaves seem to be wrinkled and twisting in certain areas....not much discoloration..I think I may have over nuted them but I flushed and havent fed anything but water for a week...any suggestions?
 

NONYA420

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I keep the PH between 6.2 and 6.8 and add epsom salts because I have hard water. My 12/12 room uses the same water and everything is GREAT! I am going to keep feeding just water for now and wait and see what happens.
 

Mr. Blue

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They dont look nute burned. How dry do you let them get between watering? Looks like maybe overwatering or rootbound. But your potters look plenty big enough for that plant.
 

Antigen

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You don't want to let your pH get below 6.5 if you're growing in soil because Calcium and Magnesium will start to lock out at 6.4 and lower. Those Epsom treatments won't work if your pH is getting low because the plants can't absorb them. The twisting leaves could be a sign that a pH problem is starting to occur. Try to keep your pH more constant, between 6.5-6.8 if you can. The less the pH fluctuates, the better.

Otherwise they don't look that bad, although it is kind of hard to tell with the lighting in that picture.
 

NONYA420

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I try and keep them pretty wet but I like to let the top of the soil dry before I water...but you could be right...Its hard to keep up with everything(clones,veg,flowering) and I may have over watered.....I will try and let them dry out a bit. what is rootbound? Antigen- so keeping the PH of my water the same everytime is crucial?
 

Antigen

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Rootbound means that the pots you have them planted in are too small and the roots are getting overcrowded in the soil. You can tell how rootbound a plant is when you take it out to transplant it. If the roots are so thick they are running circles around the inside of your pot, then they need bigger pots.

From the looks of the size of your pots and the size of the plants in them, they shouldn't be rootbound.
 

Mr. Blue

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I thought your nitrogen and magnesium locked up at over 6.5? Not to be contradictory but, I like my water PH at 6.0 and lower. But that could be the difference between strain and prefference.
 

NONYA420

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ok...well I thought they were root bound myself...I transplanted them yesterday to see if it fixes it.....I will not water for a while let them dry out and keep you posted! I have heard so many different things when it comes to PH that my feeding chart says it needs to be from 6.2 to 6.8 to prevent nutrient lock up.....but I am going to try and keep it at 6.6 from now on just to be safe. I just havent had any problems with my 12/12 room and have kept the PH between 6.2 and 6.8 here is a pic :)
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Antigen

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I thought your nitrogen and magnesium locked up at over 6.5? Not to be contradictory but, I like my water PH at 6.0 and lower. But that could be the difference between strain and prefference.
Nitrogen locks up at pH 5.0 and lower, but Calcium and Magnesium lock up at 6.4 and lower. pH 6.0 is too low for soil, eventually you will start getting Calcium & Magnesium deficiencies. They would probably start a couple weeks into the budding phase, when the plant starts using them more. Check out this nutrient availability chart for soil and hydro grows:

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I am surprised you haven't noticed any problems yet watering with 6.0 or lower water.
 

Mr. Blue

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Those are lookin great. Do what works for you. Im one of the only ppl I know who run a low PH through soil.
 

Antigen

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Those are looking really good. Try taking a pic with your HPS/MH lights off and use the camera flash or regular room lighting so we can see the color better. It's also good to remember to turn those off if you're taking pictures to get a problem diagnosed. :D
 

Mr. Blue

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Nitrogen locks up at pH 5.0 and lower, but Calcium and Magnesium lock up at 6.4 and lower. pH 6.0 is too low for soil, eventually you will start getting Calcium & Magnesium deficiencies. They would probably start a couple weeks into the budding phase, when the plant starts using them more. Check out this nutrient availability chart for soil and hydro grows:

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I am surprised you haven't noticed any problems yet watering with 6.0 or lower water.
Thanks for that tidbit Antigen.
No, no lock ups at all. I use FoxFarm soil which seems to hold a higher PH throughout flowering (for me for some reason). I use a low PH'd water
and add nitrogen to my vegging plants. I've got a couple new seeds sprouted, maybe i'll give this 6.5 thing a try and see what happens. Check my journal for pics.
 

NONYA420

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Yeah...My bad! I took it with my phone. I will get some better pics later on and post them! Thank you for all of your help!
 
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