Anyone ever have a prob with Stealth Hydro, DWC

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recvryjst42day

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Has anyone ever had a problem with Stealth Hydro's Grow Fert's??? They are killing my pump, and causing a mold type buildup, when it is stirred around, it look like the nutes didnt dissolve completly, but this is the second time in a row!! I sterilized, and refilled my SH DWC and re applied nutes to the water @ 3/4 tbsp to a gallon, and it did it again. Since it killed my last plant, I did it this time with no plants just tested the system and sure enough its the nutes! Three days without nutes no problems, overnight after i put nutes in! Heres my crazy white substance again! WTF Any ideas anybody??? Need HELP!!:confused::confused::confused:

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Shiitake

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You mentioned measuring the nutrients, but I thought the Stealth Hydro nutes were pre-measured packets, PH balanced fire and forget nutrients? Did you fill the tub to the full line with fresh water before you added the nutes? Are you sure your water is good, or are you using tap water?

I have not actually used this system yet, but am planning on getting one. Up until now, I have heard only good things about their nutrients however. Have you called their tech support?

I'd love to hear how this situation resolves as I plan on using the bubbleponics system myself, so please let us know how this turns out?
 
recvryjst42day

recvryjst42day

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Shiitake said:
You mentioned measuring the nutrients, but I thought the Stealth Hydro nutes were pre-measured packets, PH balanced fire and forget nutrients? Did you fill the tub to the full line with fresh water before you added the nutes? Are you sure your water is good, or are you using tap water?

I have not actually used this system yet, but am planning on getting one. Up until now, I have heard only good things about their nutrients however. Have you called their tech support?

I'd love to hear how this situation resolves as I plan on using the bubbleponics system myself, so please let us know how this turns out?
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I'll let you know after I get home from work. And no they werent premeasured, they came in four plastic jars, with a yellow spoon deal. The label says one of those spoons per gallon of water, and there is no fill or full line, its just a sterilite container, if you are going to buy one of these, save yourself an extra hundred dollars and buy a rubbermaid bucket, an airpump and a water pump, and an airstone. theres diidnt even work ( the airstone) i let it soak for three hours before trying it and to no avail. I have had nothing but problems with there system. And the pump they sent me was a MA-480, rated for two feet or less at 175 gph, but there has gotta be somthing wrong with it cause I get a trickle outta the lines, and Ive tried everything to get it flowin better but man, I wasted alot of money this way. I'll let you know how it turns out if I'm just a retard and doing somthing wrong, But I have no idea what it could be.. Talk to you later.
 
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Shiitake

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Which system of theirs are you using (I was assuming it was bubbleponics, but they offer other systems too).?

I know from reading the bubbleponics directions that those nutes are supposed to be in pre-measured packets? Also, when you initially set up the system, they tell you to fill it with X number of gallons (6 I think?) and mark the water level there, so that when you flush and refill you can fill it to that line with water and add the pre-measured nutes to get the exact right amount of nutrients.

Make sure to contact their support department and tell them how unhappy you are with the system so far - maybe mention that you are reporting your experiences with their system in a couple online forums. I've heard their support is very good, but the added pressure of knowing you will tell a lot of people about your experience with their company might help you achieve an even more positive outcome?

Plus, you can help a lot of other people by giving them a chance to fix it and then reporting to everybody whether they tried to make it right for you or not. =)

Good luck, man!
 
Purple_Ganja

Purple_Ganja

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Roseman is absolutely crazy about all of their products. I just bought a bubbleponic kit from them myself (6 planter) and a mini greenhouse to start my babies off right. I'll forward him here, maybe he'll have the answer you're looking for...
 
recvryjst42day

recvryjst42day

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Well, just got home from work and checked the good old email. They are suggesting the water is too hard, based on the pictures and to go buy some distilled water, or spring or R/O water. I have some spring water on hand and am going to try it now. Regarding the nutrients they are not prepackaged, just in a plastic container, with a big yellow stick-spoon. I bought the 6 planter expandable kit, yes bubbleponic, not regular DWC, but all there systems are considered DWC, I thought, I'm probably mistaken though. I'm going to go and fill it some store bought spring water right now. Will post updates on how it goes, or wether I will need to email again. Unfortuantly I can't call in cause of my work schedule. Acctually made me miss my seeds from Nirvana today too. Damnit.
 
Roseman

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At Stealthhydro.com, anyone can visit the site and see there are TWO dinstinct systems sold there . One is a DWC System. DWC stands for Deep Water Culture System. The DWC system comes with pre-measured nutrients in clear zip lock baggies.
The newer more advanced system is called the Bubbleponics System. It comes with pre-measured nutrients, ready to add. They actually come in zip lock premeasured packets too. With either system, with BOTH systems,t he nutes come premeasured in zip lock baggies. They are powdered nutes. The instructions say to add the nutrients to water that meets a PH test, and is not hard and not soft. They suggest and recommend Bottle water, or distilled water. The instructions also say to add the nutes to water, stir, shake, mix and disolve, AND AFTER you are sure they are disolved, then add them to the tank to prevent cloging the pump. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DISOLVE THE NUTES BEFORE ADDING THEM TO THE TANK.
The first post says the DWC System was purchased, then later it says the Bubbleponics System was purchased. When I look at the pics, i do not see either system in the pics.
The post says the fertilizer came in bottles, yet no powdered nutes are sold at StealthHydro in Bottles. The black bottles of nutes sold there are LIQUID and made to use IF YOU DID NOT BUY ONE OF THIER SYSTEMS. Those are Liquid nutes and do not need disolving.
When you look at the pics and see the "irrrigation connector" it appears red, with white tubes. The 2 systems sold at StealthHydro have a green irrigation hub and clear plastic tubes. Ask anyone who has the system, or look at the pics at their site.
And if you look at the pics posted here, the air stone is a long blue air stone made for fish tanks. All the systems sold at Stealthhydro come with ROUND BUBBLE Stones. Any idiot can go to Stealthhydro.com, look at all the pics of the two systems and compare them to the pics posted above.
They are not the same tanks, not the same connectors, not the same nutes, and not the same airstones that are for sale from StealthHydro.com. Go there and compare the pics.
Because of the discrepancies, I do not know how to help or respond.
I do certainly know that I have phoned and emailed Customer Service there way over a dozen times with dumb questions.. I speak to Robert everytime, he is very helpful. (strange accent in his voice) I am very willing to testify that they are great folks, and sell great systems.
This thread just baffles me.
 
th3bigbad

th3bigbad

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man id put 10 bucks on that being hard water. i friend of a friend has a bubbler and had the exact same prob. i took my PPM metter and checked his tap water and it was 450PPM. he swapped over to R/O water and never had that prob again.
have you checked the PPM of the water your useing before you add nutes or anything?
 
recvryjst42day

recvryjst42day

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Roseman said:
At Stealthhydro.com, anyone can visit the site and see there are TWO dinstinct systems sold there . One is a DWC System. DWC stands for Deep Water Culture System. The DWC system comes with pre-measured nutrients in clear zip lock baggies.
The newer more advanced system is called the Bubbleponics System. It comes with pre-measured nutrients, ready to add. They actually come in zip lock premeasured packets too. With either system, with BOTH systems,t he nutes come premeasured in zip lock baggies. They are powdered nutes. The instructions say to add the nutrients to water that meets a PH test, and is not hard and not soft. They suggest and recommend Bottle water, or distilled water. The instructions also say to add the nutes to water, stir, shake, mix and disolve, AND AFTER you are sure they are disolved, then add them to the tank to prevent cloging the pump. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DISOLVE THE NUTES BEFORE ADDING THEM TO THE TANK.
The first post says the DWC System was purchased, then later it says the Bubbleponics System was purchased. When I look at the pics, i do not see either system in the pics.
The post says the fertilizer came in bottles, yet no powdered nutes are sold at StealthHydro in Bottles. The black bottles of nutes sold there are LIQUID and made to use IF YOU DID NOT BUY ONE OF THIER SYSTEMS. Those are Liquid nutes and do not need disolving.
When you look at the pics and see the "irrrigation connector" it appears red, with white tubes. The 2 systems sold at StealthHydro have a green irrigation hub and clear plastic tubes. Ask anyone who has the system, or look at the pics at their site.
And if you look at the pics posted here, the air stone is a long blue air stone made for fish tanks. All the systems sold at Stealthhydro come with ROUND BUBBLE Stones. Any idiot can go to Stealthhydro.com, look at all the pics of the two systems and compare them to the pics posted above.
They are not the same tanks, not the same connectors, not the same nutes, and not the same airstones that are for sale from StealthHydro.com. Go there and compare the pics.
Because of the discrepancies, I do not know how to help or respond.
I do certainly know that I have phoned and emailed Customer Service there way over a dozen times with dumb questions.. I speak to Robert everytime, he is very helpful. (strange accent in his voice) I am very willing to testify that they are great folks, and sell great systems.
This thread just baffles me.
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Just to clearify and qualify. I also recieved an email from robert today, and yes he is helpful.

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Just to let everyone (Roseman) know, I did buy the system, I also stated that I wasnt so sure wether or not the bubbleponic was considered a DWC system or not. Cost me a good $187.47 (US), which is the only reason why I would post this thread, if it were home-made I would have scraped it.
 
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recvryjst42day

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th3bigbad said:
man id put 10 bucks on that being hard water. i friend of a friend has a bubbler and had the exact same prob. i took my PPM metter and checked his tap water and it was 450PPM. he swapped over to R/O water and never had that prob again.
have you checked the PPM of the water your useing before you add nutes or anything?
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That is what Robert from SH suggested also in his email, I am going to invest in a PPM meter this friday (payday) And for now I have just used Spring water (Suggested also by Robert) Tomorrow night I will update as to wether or not that worked.
 
th3bigbad

th3bigbad

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but hey look on the bright side. you wont need to buy any cal/mag with water like that. just mix alil tap water in with the spring water and you should be set.
you can check places like the inside of the water spout in the bath tub to see if its got the same kinda crusty white stuff in it. if it does then your tap water is loaded with calcium. either way good luck with your grow
 
Purple_Ganja

Purple_Ganja

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My air stone is also round. Just thought I'd add that in there. Yeah man keep us updated, and remember to do like roseman said, dissolve the nutes first and then add them to the tank. I'll be starting my grow VERY soon, so cheers to a healthy harvest, and to the helpful people at Stealth Hydro.
 
northerntights

northerntights

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I used this system for a while before going to an aeroponic system and then back to soil (heat issues when I upgraded lighting, didn't resolve them till recently) and I can say that with the Stealth Hydro systems your best friend is Hygrozime and RO/distilled water. The hygrozime helps to keep organic growth from clogging the feed manifold while preventing root rot and general pathogen issues. It's also a hell of a lot more economical then the hydroponics grade H202 (or any grade) and you have to add it to the tank FAR less often. Due to the sensitivity of their nutrient line and the fact that the individual granuals are not perfectly uniform (as in higher grade ferts like fox farm soluble), RO/distilled water causes the fewest issues.

Oh and the "Bubbleponic" system is neither aeroponic or DWC, it's technically a top feed system by definition, just another word for constant-drip irrigation. Unless your a total klutz, never buy the DWC kit, it far cheaper to build your own. Also, many people look at the promotional video on the web site and expect far more water flow into the individual net-pots of the bubbleponics, I spoke with them directly and they said that the GPH of the pump and emitters was decreased from what was in the video and gave better results.

Peace :joint:
 
medicineman

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I use liquid nutes and a PPM meter and a PH meter and My female, one out of 6, the rest were males except one little scrawney one, is 6 ft. tall, 6 ft wide and 30 inches compressed thick, with little buds everywhere. My problem is she out grew the grow area and has grown past the light and hit the ceiling. The growth from that bubbler has been fantastic. I have 2 air pumps and run one 12 hours (12-12) and the smaller one 24 hrs. Next time, I'll start them into flower earlier and hopefully they wont get so tall. I'm running around 1200-1400 on the nutes, and keeping the PH between 5.5 and 6.0. The bubbler goes through 2-3 gallons of purified water a day, that bitch can drink.
 
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recvryjst42day

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th3bigbad said:
but hey look on the bright side. you wont need to buy any cal/mag with water like that. just mix alil tap water in with the spring water and you should be set.
you can check places like the inside of the water spout in the bath tub to see if its got the same kinda crusty white stuff in it. if it does then your tap water is loaded with calcium. either way good luck with your grow
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Thanks man. Just to let everyone know, Robert helped me out pretty well. The simple changing of my water was all I needed really, and one final question, the drip tube...Where exactly should I place it? Over the rockwool cubes? underthem? next to them? Right now they are set hanging over them so they will drip into the rockwool.
 
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recvryjst42day

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Robert has been VERY helpful.

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Okay great, you should see a major improvement with the new water.

It is unfortunate that it caused the damage it did and I apologize for the inconvenience. I will be sending you a new water pump and irrigation setup plus some more rockwool cubes. Warranty order # XXXXXX applies.

In regards to the fertilizers, the pro-expandable comes with the high feed kit. The pre-measured nutes are for using the Bubbleponics system with the Dual Spectrum lights. If you are using HPS light, you may need to adjust the strength so the pre-measured nutes would not work. So you can check them out, I'll toss a pack in for you in the above order.


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Roseman

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I spoke to Robert, the customer Service rep at Stealth Hydro. he had been away in Costa Rica for a week's vacation.
You didn't have the StealthHydro bubbleponis System with the Pre measured nuts, as your email from Robert says, that you just posted . He told me that the first problem was your rush to set it up and not reading the instructions or directions and that your hard water source ruined the airstone sent with the kit and ruined the tubes and irrigation hub. He told me that he felt real bad about your post here bitching about the sytem, and he was sending you a free irrigation hub, free tubes, and free nutes to use. .
I suggest you ask him for the past two or three newsletters , especially the one about adding the nutes, pre-mixing them in water, making sure they are disolved, before adding them to the tank. And I strongly suggest that you use distilled water, or bottled water, or filtered water.
I am very glad to help you man, if you run into any problems, and now you know how helpful the good folks at StealthHydro are willing to help too.
They have re-done the instructions at thier website and they are free to download from there.
Butt that tube right into the middle of the cube, higher is better than lower.
I am just a few days from harvesting my tops, I have one the size of a 12 inch long banana with a 2nd bud growing out of the side of it. It looks wierd, but it is awesome too.
 
midgradeindasouth

midgradeindasouth

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Hey sorry to cut in I just got a couple hydro questions for Roseman?
What can you do If you have hard water?(add soap?)
Can you use warm to hot water to mix these dry mix's that recvry was talking about.
Of course the water would need to get to room temp before putting in resovoir
 
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