Anyone else watching the Kyle Rittenhouse trial?
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doublejj
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Voter fraud is a republican myth and insignificant in true numbers. It's a republican boogey man
BodegaBud
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You see there’s the problem. There were no victims besides Kyle that night. But I’m sure they will sue. Shitty people usually come from shitty families and I’m sure they are just looking for a payday
doublejj
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actions have consequences.....Kyle should have stayed home that night
BodegaBud
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Sure just like welfare fraud or illegal immigration it’s all made up. Then why is the left fighting voter ID so hard? Because they won’t be able to harvest ballots and do shit like this guy did
BodegaBud
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They should of stayed home that night and not attacked somebody.
doublejj
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Voter identification laws are a part of an ongoing strategy to roll back decades of progress on voting rights. Thirty-four states have identification requirements at the polls. Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot – no exceptions.
Voter ID laws deprive many voters of their right to vote, reduce participation, and stand in direct opposition to our country’s trend of including more Americans in the democratic process. Many Americans do not have one of the forms of identification states acceptable for voting. These voters are disproportionately low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, the elderly, and people with disabilities. Such voters more frequently have difficulty obtaining ID, because they cannot afford or cannot obtain the underlying documents that are a prerequisite to obtaining government-issued photo ID card.
doublejj
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the victims have already paid their price....now its Kyles turn.
Applesauceisgood
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I don't understand your point. A pussified way of saying something? But.. what?
BodegaBud
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That’s an excuse. You need ID for just everyday life. The problem is the left knows a lot of their voters are unmotivated, lazy, and won’t vote unless you make it basically effortless. The problem is that also compromises election integrity. If I can send in my elderly grand parents ballots or go into a nursing home and register everybody unregistered then tell them who to vote for it’s not good. I’ve heard of multiple problems with mail in ballots and I think voter ID is the only way. If you want to vote get motivated and get an ID.
BodegaBud
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If you are a conservative even if you don’t like Trump they will argue with you about that. These people are nuts LOL
doublejj
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I vote by mail.....this should be universal. If your message is on track with the people, why be afraid of more voters?...
Applesauceisgood
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Do you have any research that substantiates those claims other than it sounds righteous?
The National Bureau of Economic Research conducted a study on the matter which concluded voter ID laws had “no negative effect on registration or turnout, overall or for any specific group defined by race, gender, age or party affiliation." Source: https://www.nber.org/papers/w25522
If what you claim is accurate, what is your opinion on gun licenses? After all, the second amendment is a natural right for everyone including individuals with low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, the elderly, and people with disabilities. If acquiring an ID is as hard for these groups as you submit, it would be wrong for the government to hamstring them with gun licenses to exercise this right.
BodegaBud
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Yeah you voted by mail and so did a lot of people who shouldn’t have. It’s about election integrity. I mean ballots enact laws and elect people that change our everyday lives. We absolutely should protect that and not treat it like we are voting for who we want to be the next top idol
doublejj
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this is a quote from your posted study paper....."Finally, strict ID requirements have no effect on fraud – actual or perceived. Overall, our findings suggest that efforts to improve elections may be better directed at other reforms."
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Applesauceisgood
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Oh, that is interesting. Essentially, Trump is a one-dimensional villain, and by not declaring him as such I am cowardly admitting I like him but I am afraid of admitting it? That seems like weird speculation.
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Applesauceisgood
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I didn't mention fraud. You made the point that certain groups cannot access IDs and this deprives many voters of their rights. You didn't provide any proof of that claim but you said "many" so I assume it should be obvious.
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BodegaBud
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That doesn’t make sense. You have one basically unregulated system where you can ballot harvest and mail in ballots sent to the wrong or old address and then you have everybody having to show ID and vote in person. Of course there is going to be less cheating with voter ID. Should I be able to order a gun in the mail if I promise that I am who I say I am?
doublejj
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The argument was made that voter ID's were necessary to stop voter fraud....and your study says it doesn't. So voter id's are not necessary for a fair election.
doublejj
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applesauce posted this study paper....it says voter id's have no impact on voter fraud